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  2. Carborendum

    Societal Fabric

    In other words: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/29/us_covid-19_death_toll_is_inflated.html
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  4. Traveler

    Societal Fabric

    It depends on how the raw data is analyzed. Over 90% of the COVID-19 death are among populations that have chronic health issues. Among the chronic health issues listed are - high blood pressure (heart decease), strokes, diabetes and obesity (not to name all). By including this with the overall data and we have had a decrease in overall deaths in the USA for all such causes so far this year - including all the deaths from COVID-19. The transparency you think you are getting is anything but. However, it is not so much miss information coming out of most states as it is from the CDC that is obviously trying to stack the deck - the question we all should ask is - WHY? The Traveler
  5. NeuroTypical

    Societal Fabric

    Apparently you missed the memo, or maybe you've just been reading bad news. We have the greatest number of confirmed infections and deaths, because we have the greatest number of administered tests. You have to look at per capita rates to have any sort of meaningful comparison.
  6. anatess2

    Mormon Enigma

    They already got that after declaring themselves Trinitarian.
  7. anatess2

    Mormon Enigma

    You're probably talking about the Remnant Church. So yes, they broke off citing major doctrinal changes like female priests as a sign of apostasy but I think the official break happened when the last descendant of Joseph Smith that became an RLDS prophet, Wallace Smith, appointed Murray, a non-descendant of Joseph Smith, a prophet. The Remnant Church maintained a prophet that was a descendant of Joseph Smith which was the main reason Joseph Smith III broke off from Brigham Young in the first place so this was the final sign that Wallace Smith fell into apostasy.
  8. One of the conflicts between the Book of Mormon and that of Secular history is Isaiah. With Isaiah there are two different ideas of when it was written. One is that it was all written by Isaiah, but at different points of his life. This means that one part would have been written and known by Lehi and his family BEFORE they left Jerusalem, but there's an entirely different portion that supposedly Isaiah wrote AFTER they would have left Jerusalem (saying they left somewhere between the years of 602 - 597 BC). The idea is that there were at least two different authors on this. (I will also say there ARE those that say Isaiah was written by the same individual between 740 and 687 BC...but that does not conflict with what we know in the Book of Mormon). The other viewpoint is more secular. Secularism means that there is actually no such thing as correct prophecy (not something a member would support with their faith, but secular history is NOT religion or faith based). This means logically Isaiah could NOT have written some of the portions of Isaiah as Isaiah would not have known what the future would entail in such detail. Instead, they say that several authors wrote in Isaiah, and particularly some wrote AFTER (several hundred years, up to 200 years in some instances) the prophecies of Isaiah were fulfilled. This can be either testimony lifting, or troublesome to those who read the Book of Mormon. There are parts of Isaiah that are in the Book of Mormon that would indicate that they could not have possibly had those portions of Isaiah if contemporary theories of either side were accepted. How then do we reconcile these? This article from many years ago in the Ensign addresses this in part in an excellent way... how do we explain material from Isaiah in the Book of Mormon Now, this is secular knowledge being applied to the Book of Mormon, but I would suggest another side to this from a more faith based approach. If the Book of Mormon is true (and I know it is true) it already addresses this. It talks of Isaiah and his prophecies in a way that they already have them. They already write his words in the Book of Mormon itself, something that would be impossible for them to have if those portions were written after they had left Jerusalem. They knew these portions and wrote them. This indicates that Isaiah not only wrote the book of Isaiah but that these were TRUE prophecies that were given. That these prophecies were actually known and written about BEFORE the Captivity, and thus that prophecy is true and a real thing. In this way, the Book of Mormon serves once again as a testament of Prophets and of the truths we also find in the Bible. That it stands as telling us of the truth of Power of the Lord and of the Witness of the Spirit. It shows us that the prophets of Old were true prophets and that they bore REAL power and authority, just as all those who are given it by the Lord are. It shows us the pattern of which truth is revealed in days of old, just like it is in our time today.
  9. Carborendum

    Victory Garden

    So, here is my patch today. Compare to the picture at the OP of this thread.
  10. anatess2

    Twitter vs The White House

    Might be time to get your stocks out of Twitter or time to do puts and shorts. Twitter is not going to win this one. (In case you haven't heard... Twitter is not just censoring the Donald J Trump account, it's censoring the official The White House account).
  11. JohnsonJones

    Mormon Enigma

    An interesting thing is that though they have the numbers on their rolls, a great many of them left the CoC in recent years due to conflicts of beliefs regarding women and the priesthood as well as other items that have popped up. I think they officially say they have over 250K on their rolls, but probably only around 35K actually will say they are on the rolls today...as a great majority left and started up their own church (I can't recall the name off the top of my head right now, but I hear it actually has about 100K of the former CoC members). I suppose they would make a counter argument that we say we have 16 million members, but those who actively engage and say they are members of our church probably number half of that (8 million or less?). Still, the numbers are probably on our side right now in regards to that. I don't think they have any animosity towards us today, nor us them. I think we'd like to have the property where the temple was to be built, but without the Lord's intervention and several miracles to our benefit, I do not see us obtaining it any time soon. Same with other denominations that own land for that Temple there. As for being Mormon, they fall under the Mormon umbrella (as do we, even though we no longer claim the nickname...it was never solely ours to begin with) as all the groups that are splinters or offshoots of the Church Joseph Smith started in 1830. Today, they are probably more "Mormon" than we are as they (as far as I know) will not reject the term Mormon outright (though being called Christian fits them just fine) while many of our members will try to correct others...including those who are not part of our church...to use the full name of the Church instead. It does make a good differentiation I suppose in trying to differ our offshoot from the rest of the "Mormons" who also are offshoots of the 1830 church. It is a similar idea that the RLDS did when they became the CoC. On the otherhand, the CoC is a MASSIVE warning on what NOT TO DO if our church wants to retain it's members and membership.
  12. anatess2

    Good COVID News On CNN

    Here's a good one. Let's see the big pharma shills reeee. https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586
  13. JohnsonJones

    Societal Fabric

    I don't think Cuomo did particularly well in his response in New York, but I think he shines because of the lack of Trump's own leadership in crisis. Comparatively, Cuomo was decisive, made decisions, was publically open about them, took the advice of SOME medical advisors, and didn't spout off as much at the mouth on his own pet theories. In that way, Cuomo seems spectacular in US leadership comparatively, at least to most people who are not hard core conservatives in the Trump camp (who would all claim Trump is the second coming...or close to it perhaps with how Trump can do no wrong. There are those that think Trump is doing an outstanding job, but the numbers of infections and deaths in relation to the rest of the US population in a short two months would indicate that we have the worst numbers in relation to almost anyplace else in the world...though I hear Sweden and Brazil are giving us a run for our numbers). Still, New York was a disaster worse than just about anyplace else in the World. Cuomo tried to blame Trump for some of the problems, but just like Trump should have been able to, Cuomo should have also seen the danger signs a mile away (...slang for...having seen it coming a long time before it did) and taken preparations to quash it before it became crisis. He did not, and he's ALL to blame for it in my book. His inaction resulted in a large number of deaths in New York. Fortunately for him, it seems to be settling out in New York, though it is now rising in the US drastically. It's now over the 96K deaths that were predicted by some and on it's way to higher numbers (and WAAAY past Trumps 60K thoughts just a few weeks ago). Cuomo did a pretty terrible job overall in New York, but it pales to how the US is dealing with it. When nations with a FAR higher population density than the US (and in some places, even than New York) are seeing the virus all but gone, some with a very low percentage of deaths to population compared to the US...it speaks how badly the US is actually doing in dealing with this virus. Estimates of normal Pneumonia deaths and predictions based on data and science going back for 70 years show that something is causing ~160% MORE deaths from Pneumonia in the US this year thus far at this point (which is one reason MANY are saying the number of Covid Deaths are being under-reported, because they do not see any other thing that could cause such a drastic anomaly...a 5% deviation may be considered something else...but 160%...something is going on, and if not Covid we have something VERY serious going on behind the scenes we are not even aware of to cause that big of a jump in Pneumonia deaths right now). That percentage is going up currently as well...it's not staying at 160% of normal or predicted deaths based on decades of data previously. Those deaths are NOT those that are counted as being caused by Covid 19 already. The COVID deaths are in a different category. That 160% higher than normal are from deaths that are NOT attributed to anything other (so no COVID-19 in the paperwork at all, these are not counted as COVID-19 deaths) than Pneumonia. As I said, the research on WHAT is causing it is not currently done (and so any claiming it is from Covid are actually not completely honest, it's just that they don't know what else COULD be causing such an alarming rise in the number of Pneumonia deaths) and so they only know that there is something bad causing such a drastic jump in these numbers. On the bright side...the US is still #1 in something...#1 in Coronavirus infections, #1 for Coronavirus deaths...etc. Not sure that's a good #1 to have though. I don't think Cuomo's response was all that great and in fact, when compared to most in the world he actually did really badly. It's just that people throughout the world and many of the states are looking and comparing Cuomo's response to some of the other US leaders and finding Cuomo actually had better leadership in comparison.
  14. scottyg

    Societal Fabric

    "...Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets. WE CALL UPON responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society." The Family: A Proclamation to the World, 1995
  15. Scott

    Mormon Enigma

    They changed it primarily to distance themselves from our church because a lot of outsiders didn't know the difference between the two churches and would get them confused (especially in Missouri). Two of the issues they wanted to distance themselves from were polygamy and the priesthood ban on blacks, which the RLDS and the Community of Christ never supported. They also wanted to emphasize Christ name and wanted more acceptance/association with other Christian churches. Anyway, I knew a few of them while living in Missouri, but haven't known or talked to any of them outside Missouri. I am not aware of meeting anyone in that church since I left Missouri.
  16. Difficult to say. Anxiety has driven me to do good things in the past. I get it whenever I am not totally scrupulous. But it isn't a solid foundation. I have come to learn that my multiple scripture studies per day do me no good at all, because faith is not present when I'm acting out of fear.
  17. Moonbeast32

    Mormon Enigma

    Community of Christ? I've only ever met two. A couple in BC Canada. Nice people, but unyielding. I wonder if it's not going to take something totally unconventional to bring them back into the fold. I don't know if typical missionary strategies are going to work.
  18. MormonGator

    Societal Fabric

    Remember that every single generation from the dawn of civilization thought that their generation was wicked and that the end was near, @Carborendum. To me, it's a little bit like waking up every morning and saying "Today is the day I'm going to die." Well, eventually you'll be right, but that doesn't mean you are a prophet.
  19. Carborendum

    Victory Garden

    So, the latest growth shows a bunch more female flowers. Some of them have already dropped the floral top and are developing into melons. This one is around 2-1/2 to 3 inches long. Both plants have grown so much It has gone beyond the bed boundaries (10' x 20' for two plants) and the whole bed is pretty densely populated with leaves. So, I found this one and a few others on the sidewalk. By the end of next week, they should be ready for culling. Or I may want to keep them smaller. I don't want to carry a 30 pound melon off the ground. If it is 20 pounds, that will be fine by me. Most larger melons at the store are around the 10 to 20 pound range.
  20. Carborendum

    Societal Fabric

    I have no problem believing that. But is there a scripture that specifically links hypocrisy to "a wicked and adulterous generation"?
  21. Let me tell you the story. I have been growing watermelon for a few years. But I couldn't figure out why my melons were so "tinny." I researched what I could do to increase flavor and sugar in my watermelons. I did that. But it only helped a marginal amount. This last year, the discovery I made was that many of the commercially available varieties that are simply not very sweet. You really have to comb through them to find the sweet varieties. Watermelons are rated like other foods on sweetness using the brix scale. For watermelons, anything at 9 or above is considered sweet. The problem with that is that most people don't consider it sweet until it hits around 10 or 11. So, I went on a search for the sweetest watermelon. The Bradford melon has a cool history (see below). But I found that it advertized a Brix # of 13.5 (average). Some websites say it is 12.5 at the lowest. But anything above 11 is great. So, I thought I'd try it to see if it lives up to the hype. They do a great job of marketing and hyping. And I'm pulling out all the stops. I'm using all the methods that I've learned about watermelons over the past couple of years of research to increase the sugar and flavor in my melons. History from "Sow True Seed" website: The official Bradford Youtube video. Ignore the first 45 seconds. It's just myth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ljFJJ4kcNqU&feature=emb_logo
  22. Hello, fellow trivia players: For the past week or so, I made some changes to the LDS Trivia and Puzzles game, and I want to have a full game before the quarantine ends. I don't work tomorrow, so for those that are able, a game will start anytime between 1 PM and 7 PM. It's on DALnet in channel #lds_trivia. Please see website for more information. I only have one job while looking for a replacement to my main job, so I'm on call at work in case they need me. If you go to the channel and not see me there, they called me for work. The updates to the script are too numerous for me to remember, and they're minor tweaks. I changed how information appears, tweaked the code to be more efficient, and removed bugs.
  23. BobMaster

    Societal Fabric

    There are plenty of other signs of a wicked and adulterous generation besides "seeking for a sign". Primarily hypocrisy; which is what Christ was calling out. Hypocrisy because they seek for signs, but do not believe signs.
  24. What is a Bradford watermelon? Sorry, I did misunderstand, but, if there is a get together in Texas someday, I will try to get there.
  25. Carborendum

    Societal Fabric

    That would be "seeking for a sign."
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  27. BobMaster

    Societal Fabric

    Isn't that a sign of a wicked and adulterous generation?
  28. MormonGator

    Mormon Enigma

    True, but for over 100 years they were known as the RLDS. No one knows about them, but those who do still call them that. I think W Grant McMurray changed the name in order to distance them from the Book of Mormon. 😞
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