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Hi @Coll79, Welcome to lds.net. We are glad you found us, and are willing to ask actual LDS members about LDS beliefs/ideas. Some observations, in no particular order: 1. Yes, I agree, that both wronged each other, "we both agreed we did each other wrong". If you are in a 2.5 year relationship and you were 100% blindsided about him not only learning about a religion, but only told after the fact that he joined one... pretty big step in his life to have kept you in the dark about. Sounds like you both have moved passed that, but it also sounds like you both don't talk/communicate that often or that in-depth to have something like that become known only after the fact. I can understand your frustration. 2. Agreed. You "are very scared". It seems like a lot of the reactions you are having are natural. I commend you on trying to gather actual "facts" so that you are making educated and wise choices moving forward. 3. Your boyfriend sounds very naive and new in his understandings of the LDS church. I would suggest that in his LDS infancy, he is not a solid source of doctrinal understanding "yet". This is new to you both. A calm head will prevail in this situation. Again, learn "facts" and then you can make the educated choices. 4. If your boyfriend does really follow the teaching of the LDS church...he is going to change. He will become different. He will not be the person you met 2.5 years ago. While he will change, those changes will ultimately be for the better. He should become more spiritual, more loving, more forgiving, more empathetic, more understanding, more caring, etc. You will see changes, but they should only be changes for the better. 5. "I don't understand why I feel this way." Change can be scary, period. You appear to be afraid of losing him, so you are scared of "loss", a loss of someone you love, it is a natural reaction. You need to figure out if it is a "justified" reaction now. 6. If you want to understand things better about the LDS church, ask real LDS people like you have done. Ask us! Ask the missionaries in your area. Want to better understand what it is that your boyfriend is doing, learn yourself. It doesn't mean you need to act on it, but take some baby steps. Learning leads to Understanding. Understanding leads to Educated Choices. Educated Choices leads to peace of mind for the choices that you did make rather than allowing fear/anxiety to control your path. Hang in there... baby steps...ask away, we are happy to help!

Hi Jayfaye- I think I will post my personal experience, and then include an additional post with some church guidance on the subject. I am a man, so I'm on the opposite side of the coin. I don't know you or your husband, so my experience is personal and may have zero similarities to your situation. First, let me say that I'm sorry that you and your husband are experiencing a "difference" of opinion. For the moment it may feel like he sees black and you see white. That is not to say that at some future point you "both" can't see grey together. Is it him that needs to change or is it you? In reality it most likely is "both" of you that need to change some version of your views. Let me explain. I have felt this way before: "He doesn't feel capable of having more .... He cringes at the thought of more babies." I grew up in a family of 6 children. I spent my life playing/doing stereotypical guy things: GIJoe, guns, snakes, forts, climbing trees, skateboards, etc. My 3 sisters in contrast spent a lot of time: playing house, Cabbage Patch kids, babysitting, playing dress up, Barbie, etc. I hate to admit it but I wasn't really groomed for my own kids in the future. My sisters on the other hand had "I have always, always wanted more than two." In contrast my sisters were groomed more towards having children. Fast forward to me being married. Sure my wife and I in our young naive years talked in passing about "how many children do you want?". We both said around 5-6. What did we know, we never raised kids before? It was an easy answer at the time. After our 2nd child, I felt much like your husband, but the question is "why" did I feel like your husband. Do you know why your husband feels "incapable"? Do you know why he "cringes"? Do you know why he "does not enjoy small children"? Since I can't speak for your husband, let me share with you "why" I felt these ways: 1. TIRED: I was tired. I was tired all the time. Tired, tired and more tired again. I worked full time and "felt" like I came home only to relieve my tired wife so she could rest, but I never felt like I was getting rest. We don't do our best work as humans when we are tired. We can be quick to anger, quick to judge and often times become hostile towards whatever it is that is making us tired... in this case it was "small children". 2. SELFISH: It "seemed" to me that I had lost my free time. All efforts were diverted to raising the kids: diapers, bath time, feeding, Dr. appt, missed classes at church, etc. Where was some time for "me"? I felt like I had lost it and again looked to blame the source of my perceived problem. 3. JEALOUS: I was no longer the attention of my wife. My wife's attention "felt" like it had all shifted to the babies, BUT what about me?? Our discussions were always about the "kids", but what about "us" and our marriage? Our date nights evaporated. Our sex life seemed spotty at best, we were both tired and she didn't feel sexy and not in the mood. My eternal companion felt like she had abandoned ship and went off with the kids. I felt only like a "bread winner" and not much more. She was off at play groups (support groups) for other young mothers... who did I have? Again, who was to blame for my marriage feeling distant? Of course it was those small kids again, so I "thought". 4. DEPRESSION: being tired, selfish and jealous can only go on for so long before some version of "life kind of sucks" creeps in. So... Did I want more kids? Um...Nope. My naive notion of 5-6 kids evaporated quickly. I wanted sleep, free time and my wife back more THAN I wanted yet another kid. The thought of more babies only = more tired, less free time, and less of a wife. Because you and your husband see black and white on this, you may need to step in and figure out the art of compromise. He wants 2, you want 4... perhaps you end up with 3 instead. My wife and I have 4 children, not 5-6, AND that is fine. Perhaps we might adopt in the future, but for now 4 is where we are at. I wish I could report that my wife and I really, truly discussed this in-depth during the time of 4 babies, but we didn't. It was only after the fact did we really come to terms on how to communicate clearly and identify root causes. You are in a unique position that you are seeking help "now". I would suggest speaking with your husband and getting to the very-very bottom of why he has made the choice that has. Don't settle for a surface answer, but dig until you clearly understand why. You may not like what he has to share, but at least you will really understand. In addition, once others have posted...invite your husband to read this thread with you. We are a neutral third party, and as such this thread my act as the catalyst to spark a more in-depth, less confrontation discussion. Next post will contain a more spiritual response vs. my imperfect human example.

This. As a Mother I can tell you there is a deep, undeniable, instinctive, overwhelming urge to protect my babies. I don't know what I would have done in that situation, I can only guess or 'say' I would have done this or that. And for the record, I did feel bad when I read the article (not here, I read it a couple days ago on my own) that it seems he was probably homeless and had squatted there before. But again - as a Mother, it's a deep, natural feeling to instinctively protect my child. And this is a stranger... a man... in her home. Her personal space. Her child's bedroom no less. If you break into my home... I'm not going to take time to discuss it with you. I'm going to protect my family, my home and myself.

Each MRE is designed to provide 1,000 - 2,000 calories apiece. People need to remember this, and adjust their consumption to their activity level. Too much, and it becomes lead in your stomach. For most people, a single MRE with peripherals (like the Fig Newton bar) will suffice if spread out over a single day. The big thing is that you need a lot of water when you consume an MRE. The packets of instant coffee and beverage powder aren't there just as a lark; they're to help encourage you to consume fluids.

I learned a long time ago, it doesn't have anything to do with "wanting to believe". Faith is simple, it is a choice, nothing else nothing more. I choose to believe in God. I also learned that I need God more than He could ever possibly need me. So I choose Faith. And that choice has been rewarded, abundantly, yet someone who did not choose faith could look at my same experience and see it differently. Well, that just happened by chance, by probability. God is very good, yet we must have ears to hear him and eyes to see him with. If we choose faith and truly look, we will see the tapestry of life that God has woven with us and when we truly see it . . . it is amazing!

I cannot relate at all to your husband's position: I always wanted a large, nay, a very large family. Twelve children would not have been too many for me. (I did, long before I met my Jacquie, decide that she would be the one who chose how many children we'd have — I reserved the right to influence her choice.) She wanted five, I twelve or more. We have seven. But we did it "right": we had the oldest ones first. That is, when they grow a bit, they actually help work with their younger siblings. Two children are actually the hardest, but with three, they play with each other, and they sorta kinda band together against the outside world. Even today, our children are their own best friends, some twenty-five or thirty years later. Even those who live away from the others (one in Idaho, one in Texas, and one in Arizona) still have stronger-than-average feelings towards their brothers and sisters. There is no way to force your husband to want more children. But I know that I'd be terribly sad and empty without those last two or three children. In the past five decades, we have learned how to separate sex from marriage and marriage from children. That's depressing. People have lost the ability to love children just 'cuz they exist. Every child, the adage goes, brings his own loaf. I say that each child brings his own heart. Raising children is hard work. It is fraught with heartache and problems of every kind. It is tiring, it is frustrating. But the compensations of love and joy and mutual support overweigh the obstacles and issues. I'm in my late 60s. Our sons call me about things around their houses that need fixin'. They ask about politics, religion, and economics. They tell me that they respect my knowledge and opinions beyond the world's 'wisest" and it just plain vindicates all the nights with fevers and vomiting. Our daughters call about recipes (sometimes even mine), and Sacrament meeting talks. They want to know how to tell if a child has an earache or toothache and what to do about it. We are grateful to have the experience to share, but even more that they trust us to know. The short term is always harder than reality because the rough seas are immediate and drowning a harsh possibility. But beyond the horizon, the sea is calm and the harbor peaceful, the beach inviting and the palms cool by their shade. Sorry that nothing I say will "work" on your husband. He's his own agent. If he changes his mind, it will be he who does so. But my experience is that children are the true joy of life, and those who have few will have less joy in the long run than those with more. The lost needle, above, probably is closer to the reason than anything I'd imagine. But that's something you can judge better than we. There is only One Who can work on his mind. Ask Him to help. Use all your spiritual power to that end. Lehi

Wow. That's a lot of changes for you in a couple of weeks and such changes can be tough on anyone. I feel for you! My first advice us to breathe. Take a nice deep breath and realize you don't have to a darn thing at this time. And you need some more time to take this in. My thoughts and opinions, worth whatever you want: If it makes you feel better I sat your boyfriend is rushing this just as much on you. He has every right to choose whatever faith he wants. You two sound serious, but when you're not married and states away I question just what explanations and permission he requires of you. So, sorry, you may need to just force yourself to deal with his choices. Also recall you are under no obligation to join. Especially to get sealed and excommunicated, a very stupid idea on his part. With all due respect, I think it's a bit odd you've been happily dating for a couple of years and now with religion changes marriage is suddenly being forced up. Why now? I'm also a bit surprised he has already been ordained a priest. You also say you want to cry when you hear about what he's doing at his church. May I ask what specifically is making you want to cry? You also worry about him becoming a different person than the man you love. This is a very legitimate and understandable fear. What are you afraid you will see in regards to changes? People change all the time because of various outside influences. Why this change and not something else? (I don't mean to sound accusing, just putting out that question for you to think about.) Based on your one post and my limitations to know anything more than that, I venture to say you're overthinking this. It's new, joining a church is a big change, and I think you're trying to tackle the change all at once. Really no need to at this point, you have time. So, hugs to you. Take this at your pace. You can decide later what to do.

When you are young and in love, you think everything will be alright "love conquers all", except the harsh reality is that it doesn't (at least the infatuation/puppy-dog/can't stand to be without them type of love). As time goes on and we get older our understanding of faith and our religion changes. If one is faithful, that meaning becomes deeper, more firm like the growing of a tiny oak into a majestic oak. The core root of LDS belief is the purpose of life, which is that we were sent here to gain bodies, experience life and to become like our Heavenly Father. That becoming involves finding a spouse with which to spend eternity. Therefore the desire for the non-LDS spouse to become LDS will grow over time. Consequently, as a marriage grows and time goes on, love takes a completely different meaning. Marriages that last generally end up with the Husband and Wife becoming more and more alike, in thought and deed (and even in looks to an extent). While it does happen, it is not typical that a happy marriage of 40+ years involves two people who are worlds apart in thought and deed. And this is normal- we are commanded to become One in a marriage. Therefore, people from two different faiths entering into a marriage will eventually (long term) either grow together and adopt the same religious beliefs together, or grow apart and split. Men and women are already different enough! The more similar their backgrounds, socio-economic status, religious believes, political believes, the better chances they have at having a successful marriage.

Very well stated!

I am not LDS, so this struck me as, well, unusual. You did not disclose your faith community, so I can only speak from my own perspective, which is Pentecostal Christian. Most Christian communities believe interfaith marriages are wrong, based on Paul's letter to the Corinthians, in which he said we are not to be "unequally yoked." So, in my case, if I were to fast and pray on the matter you mentioned, I would essentially be asking God for permission to violate his command. In other words, it would be a non-starter. So, from the non-LDS side, most Christians I know would say it is wrong to even pray about such a thing--that Scripture already gives us the answer. On the other hand, I've been at this site for 10 years now, and have found many people here much more open to interfaith relationships than I am. I doubt too many would encourage them, but many here are reticent to give an outright, "No--you're not supposed to do that." Hope the above helps. :-)

Plants are like people in some ways... The stronger, healthier, more vigorous they are the more physical stress they can handle (both plants and people)... But they can still be killed if the physical demands are to much (again both plants and people) Exactly what I meant... Good ideas bloated into fear mongering money grabs... (without doing the good part of the good idea)

Trade them for real food. Another thing worth considering is Humanitarian Daily Rations. I haven't seen them available in case lots anywhere, but according to the spec, they're about 1/5 the price of MREs, (when bought in large bulk) same size, same shelf life, same 2400 calories, but intended for refugees and such. Thus they're vegetarian, Kosher/halal, and contain some items suitable for small children. Plus, since they're geared toward a 2400cal/day diet, they're probably better for hunker down food than MREs intended to be part of a 3600+cal/day diet for a soldier in combat. I don't know if they also have the...uh...well..."corking you up" effect of MREs. Might be good to find out, though.

QFT. Standards concerning what does and does not qualify as "organic" vary so widely between jurisdictions and have so many loopholes that it's rarely worth the extra price.

my theory is that, sometimes G-d places people in a situation in which they have the opportunity to step up to the plate and change their lives. Sometimes the person does not make the right choice and the righteous lds person gets zapped. Righteous lds people exist to serve G-d. Sometimes that service is painful.

I am an LDS woman married to an non-LDS man (he's an inactive Evangelical). We are extremely happy in our marriage, and have an adorable 2 year old. Interfaith marriages can work. That being said, this relationship is HARD. Every Sunday, I go to church by myself while husband sleeps in. During 3 hours of church, I deal with a (sometimes screaming) toddler by myself. I teach her about God by myself. I read scriptures with her, by myself. I had her blessed not by my husband, but by my dad. When I need support for church stuff, I reach out to my gal friends and their husbands. My husband is supportive of me, but as an outsider who chooses to have no involvement. I'm preparing to go to the temple by myself- he is supportive, but doesn't remotely understand anything about it. Some of his relatives are not supportive, if not downright hostile to little girl and I going to LDS church. As for my husband, he sometimes thinks his Mormon-in-laws are crazy. But he quietly sits through mission farewells, people talking about church stuff, etc, though he doesn't share the faith. Sometime he cannot sit in, such as my sisters upcoming wedding. We both deal with the occasional please-convert-now pressure from relatives and associates. Thankfully, we do both agree on the many things at home (no alcohol, smoking, coffee, etc) to that's not an issue between us. A couple of other thoughts after reading your post--- 1) Do NOT convert to be with this girl. A person joining the LDS faith and being baptized is because of they feel God calling them that way. If you (or anyone else) join the LDS church because of a girl and not because of God, then you are lying to God, the girl, and yourself. Listen to what God tells you. 2) Yes, you could be sealed after your death. This means that if you choose to convert after death, your family (you two and the kids) can honor that sealing and be together. If you do not choose to convert, it has no effect. 3) No, you may not give any blessing to your child as you are now. Only a baptized LDS priest may give blessings. It is quite similar to how in the Catholic church a non-baptisized non-priest person may not officiate the sacraments. 4) Yes, God does want us to be happy. But that happiness comes with us abiding by HIS plan, and not ours. His plan for your happiness may or may not involve this girl, but it IS imperative that you Listen to His direction.

Its always in the last place you look. Of course it is... once you find it... you stop looking

Did Jesus have a home? Matthew 8:20 (foxes have holes, but the Son of Man hath not where to lay his head) suggests that He did not, but the footnote to Mark 2:1 suggests that He did have a home, in Capernaum, and John 1:38-39 indicates that Christ invited two of John’s disciples to His home. My guess is that in His early ministry, Christ lived at home, but once He began His ministry, as with some of the early missionaries of the church who served for three years at a stretch, away from home, He had “not where to lay his head.” There’s quite a difference between being homeless, which is sometimes how I’ve heard Matthew 8:20 interpreted, and leaving, or giving up one’s home to engage in missionary work.

Thank you btw, everyone, for your kind words. It helps to talk about it.

We're at a point where people are starting to ask us if we plan to have more kids. (We have two). I'd be happy to have more, and I think my husband would also like more. However, we also want to be in a different work day situation than we are in, as this is a huge obstacle for my husband. We both work full-time, different shifts, so my husband does a big share of the minute-to-minute childraising. And it's very hard on him. Myself and many others think he's a great dad (I often prefer him to be the disciplinarian as I think his temper fuse is better handled to small kids) but it's not really for him. He has stated before that he just couldn't handle another kid going the way we are going now. This isn't to say he hates the way things are going and doesn't love his time with the girls, just that he can't take a third kid. Our decision is that when we get to a point where I'm at home full-time. His reasoning for no more kids at this time: He just can't do it. And I get it. (It's another reason why more traditional homes are easier that way). So, what specifically is bothering your husband more than just feeling relieved? I don't think this should become a point of contention, but it could be part of the discussion.

I can't get any more spiritual than that. I'm a man and I have no kids. It's unfortunate that you are in this situation. I think finding his reasons and then trying to compromise is the best course. Maybe settle on 3. As a child we were 3, one brother and one sister. But we did, i think, miss a lot or group fun or whatever it was that we saw the big group families doing. I think your husband might think of the kids. Only two results in a somewhat lonely childhood. 4 or more certainly will give them a lot more close relations which will, if in a good loving home, benefit them. dc

While I personally don't go out of my way to buy organic, I will do so if the price is close to the non-organic options. I firmly believe that the benefits of eating fruits and vegetables out-weighs the risks of consuming pesticides, herbicides and so on. That being said I like to check into the EWG's dirty dozen list and do prefer to get these items organically, but I will still get them conventionally if the organic price is over 10-15% higher. Clearly organic standards aren't as stringent as they could be and mean different things to different certifying bodies. One thing that the organic label is useful for is helping to avoid genetically modified food. Sure you can argue that food has been being bred into genetic modification as long as agriculture has existed, but I simply don't see this as the same thing as splicing fish DNA into a tomato for instance. Monsanto does make me sick. I am all for them having the right to produce food the way they want to, but I don't agree that anyone should be able to patent foods and destroy farmers - especially when they are going after people who've had their crops infiltrated by monsanto's crop (and they have taken lengths to keep their crop pure). http://www.i-sis.org.uk/MonsantovsFarmers.php For me this makes enough of a case for me to want to avoid supporting biotech, by casting my financial vote away from their products. However at the end of the day those who want to believe that science is firmly on their side will do so and possibly feel a sense of justified superiority for having such great scientifically analytic minds and not letting emotions cloud their judgment. I've come to decide that science is similar to religion and politics - you can find studies to support whatever it is you believe, and with enough money you can shape public opinion about what the "facts" are. Not that I 'm saying science is useless, I just don't trust a lot of what comes out as being considered scientific anymore. There is so much suppression of data in certain areas and over the top hype in others - in fact it seems that science is swayed by politics and obviously economics. The direction the wind is blowing (and the funding) is the direction studies are designed to come up with favourable findings. My point here being that I'm not interested in having a fight with anyone about my different viewpoint on this issue. I can see based on the general attitude here that I am a dissenting voice and sense the tone of even the original post to suggest that my sanity must be in question because I don't love Monsanto and I must be stupid to pay even a penny more for something that is labeled organic. Well let me just say that my sanity has never been questioned by my doctor - I graduated college with a 4.0 GPA and my IQ suggests that in any given group of 600 people I'm likely to be the smartest, or that I'm highly gifted and possibly genius - I feel funny saying this and don't do so to brag, just to make the point that people with different views don't have to be stupid or insane. For any interested in some articles looking at the other side a little, enjoy these select few of the many I could dig up, but as I've mentioned it's a pointless endeavour as we can all go back and forth with findings that match more closely to our individual perceptions and values. http://www.forbes.com/sites/bethhoffman/2013/07/02/gmo-crops-mean-more-herbicide-not-less/#5a3e7b07a371 http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4060

"Whatever will be, will beeee...." (When I was just a leetle girl, I asked my mother, what will I beeee? Will I be pretty? Will I be rich? Here's what she said to meeeee....)

Not sure; I've seen them on eBay from time to time, but a bulk MRE vendor might know how to get them by the case reliably. AFAIK, they're made by the same suppliers as MREs, just not distributed as widely.

Because sometimes, people don't think things all the way through... ** http://taskandpurpose.com/civilian-destroyed-eating-mres-21-days/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Military%20EBB%206-30-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief Earlier in the year, the United States military put out a call for volunteers. These volunteers would spend 21 days living off of water and the contents of the standard-issue US military ration as part of a study. The main goal was to determine what such an extended period would do to the human digestive system, while a secondary goal was to develop new field-expedient recipes so that service members could mix & match bits from different ration kits for better eating while in the field (IE: rice side dish + chili & beans main dish + cheese sauce packet = queso dip). Well, a civilian news organization decided to do the same. Thing is, while military service members are trained in how to properly consume the rations, this guy wasn't. The end result is that he spent most of that time in considerable misery.

In verse 26 guys came to John and told him Jesus was baptizing people and drawing lots of people. This was significant because John was a really great prophet and Jesus was gaining in popularity. But John knew he must decrease while Jesus would increase. John 3:27 says: I think he was indicating that Jesus's authority and greatness were from heaven. If we have a calling from God or have authority, it is from heaven. The footnote in John 3:27 references James 1:17 which teaches that every good gift comes from God. I think another good verse it could have referenced is Hebrews 5:4 Now, the interpretation you put is broader. You said, "a man can do nothing, unless he receives from heaven the power to do something." I think that works too. I look at it as the fact that God has given us agency. We can act. Our ability to do things is a gift from God. We can do both good and evil, but that doesn't mean God did the evil. We could even try to solicit Satan's power to do miraculous things, but that's dangerous. He just wants to make us miserable and destroy us. Pharaoh's servants had agency from God. They either did a magic trick with no real power at all, or they relied on Satan and by his power did things. Their ability to act in that way was a gift from God.

I think there is at least a grain of truth, and much for you to consider, in this short anecdote given by Elder Hales in his General Conference address last April on the Holy Ghost As we receive the inspiration of the Holy Ghost for ourselves, it is wise to remember that we cannot receive revelation for others. I know of a young man who told a young woman, “I’ve had a dream that you are to be my wife.” The young woman pondered that statement and then responded, “When I have the same dream, I’ll come and talk to you.” https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2016/04/the-holy-ghost?lang=eng

Any food storage you have should be consumed regularly. And then storage replenished. So you know how (and that you can) prepare it, so that you know you can stomach it and eat it, so you know how you function when you do consume it, and ... so it doesn't get too old to use. dc

What an excellent and easy to understand link. But it goes beyond truth, it includes the idea that those special ones reading are indeed thinking "but I really am special!" It may have a deeper infiltration into the LDS world, as I hear the word "Awesome!" far too much from a lot of the young ones. (Awesome, another word for 'special') dc I'm no mind reader, but I can't help but think you are thinking of coming back into the church. dc

The other day I was reading up about motor skill development in young children and came across an article that was all very nice until it revealed its main quote as some woman blaming non-organic food as the main cause of fine motor skill issues. Because her 4-year-old only ate organic food and could hold a crayon.

So much for a birthday present this year.

When I move into the new ward I'm looking at, I hope that you are there. I'm also interested in working at the Temple. And learning to use the back yard for some gardening. dc

I can't understand why someone would think someone of a different faith is "the one". Particularly different being LDS. There is just so much to it. It isn't like the Catholic Church, where you go to church on Sunday for one hour and that's it. It is a full time deal. I would like to remarry. And the first qualification I look for is ... faithful LDS in good standing with recommend. There is far more than enough difference, me being male, and she being female (2nd qualification) to give us all the "diversity" we might ever need. All kinds of "mixed" marriages MIGHT work, and probably some do. But I do believe it's less than half that do. The general divorce rate is very high where they are not mixed. Why lessen the odds? I think you are barking up the wrong tree, and just don't know it. Jane Doe and yjacket have set it out rather explicitly. dc

Part of the problem with modern society, every child has to be "special" or "important". It's not just your daughter but an entire generation who has been quite frankly raised to be spoiled brats (I am not saying your daughter is, just that the her generation is like that) with twitter, facebook, etc. Everyone's life must be "amazing!!" . . .idiots. They will learn eventually. I like this article. . . .http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html

Yes and no... Insects are perfectly willing to eat healthy plants.... Saying that they will not is kind of like saying I would not eat a t-bone steak... (totally laughable) But an insect trying to eat a healthy plant is kind of like me trying to eat a healthy cow (for my steak of course) it is a whole lot harder. A healthy plant has no real problem with an occasional insect... But if you have swarms of them the plant no matter how healthy is in real danger. As for the whole organic thing... Many of the ideas are pretty good... like sustainability in process and materials, and eating more local/fresh foods.. care in the pest control process. But it has bloated into money grabbing fearmongering

Hmm. You must be cured!

Tonight I remembered someone I knew many years ago telling me about when he went on a mission. He had been involved in inner city gangs and had to meet personally with the President of the Church before he could go. He didn't say exactly what he had done, but I've always assumed it was murder. He was able to go on a mission. Interestingly, the prophet that he met with who granted him permission was Spencer W. Kimball.

I think you have missed the point of the thread, though. The reasons as to why they want to leave. The reasons are varied, which are not as simple as you think.

Im always asking, "wait are you saying the stuff ive been eating has zero carbon content?? "

2 Timothy 4:3 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; Prophetic!

While I can't speak for everyone, of course, my sense of the matter is that what you're saying here about these issues not bothering many members of the church is not entirely accurate. I think they do. It is how we respond to the bother that makes the difference. When I first came across some of these things, for example, it was bothersome. I never let the bothersome-ness of it make a difference in my commitment to the gospel, and the bothersome-ness was moderately short-lived (I found answers pretty quickly). But I'm pretty sure that anyone who hears that Joseph Smith found a brown stone in a well and used it to treasure hunt and then later used that same stone for translating the BOM is going to stress at least a wee bit upon first hearing it. Maybe that won't be the case moving forward as it becomes more common for these sorts of issues to be addressed early in a child's life (like how Bible miracles, as strange as some of them are, don't bother us at all because we were raised with them). Anyhow, like I said, only my sense of the matter. But...there it is.

Particularly when someone uses that as an attempt to dismiss a situation they created. I have probably triggered more arguments with "no, it is what you're insisting on making it" than any other phrase...with the possible exception of "stop trying to blame the pants,"

Sorry...I guess you'd have to be a government worker to get this one. :-)

How about: When all is said and done a lot more is said than done.

It is not admirable to simply resist doing something that should not be done. On the other hand, when one faces a temptation that is un-chosen, and that assails that one physically, psychologically--sexually--and that person RESISTS the powerful temptation, and manages to live a righteous life, and glorify God, in spite of the horrific, monstrous sin that seeks to destroy--THAT IS ADMIRABLE.

I miss read the title at first as: Prisonchaplain takes on the devil. I was like...yeah man! Cage match! Go PC, go!!