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Is George still alive? What you are saying reminds of something Glenn Beck would say and we see what is happening there after his fallout with that rude young lady. I don't remember her name at the moment. Also I thought someone in the church said the white horse prophecy was not inspired.

No. Horse. Spur. Use spur to make horse go faster. It was a word play on "spurious".

I want to thank all of you for the great advice... I plan on using it this Sunday. I'm really excited to see if it helps.

Now I wish I had added a ^--SeeWhatIDidThere

I may have told this story before, but there's an old gentleman in my ward with some crazy tattoos from his wild youth. He was introduced to the Church by his mixed martial arts instructor, a man who, if I quote correctly "would have been excommunicated from the Church did the Church excommunicate for scary appearances".

...what you call a cowboy in a hurry; the state of a Pony Express rider while carrying out his duties.

Joseph Smith did give a prophecy that the Constitution would one day hang by a thread, and if it is to be saved at all, it will be by the Latter-day Saints (some variations have it saved by the Elders of the Church). There is another prophecy attributed to Joseph Smith that incorporates this but adds apocalyptic elements (including the titular white horse). This White Horse prophecy is almost certainly spurious. More details can be found here.

I would really like to follow TheKabalists posts on the the Book of Mormon. I have seen i Nephi 4, but how do I locate the other articles?

Well let's review from scriptures what the adversary's temptation were: 1) He denied that they would die if they partook (this was Satan's lie) 2) He explains that God knows if they eat their eyes will be opened and they will be as the god's knowing good from evil. We know from scripture that the "eyes being opened" did occur, and we know the lie because they did indeed die. Satan's temptation doesn't appear to tempt Eve that she could become a God, but that she would be "as" the gods knowing good from evil as her eyes would be opened -- and they were opened. Now let's review from scripture the reasons given for Eve partaking of the fruit of good and evil: 1) The tree was good for food (satisfy hunger, and appetite of the flesh) 2) The fruit was pleasant to the eyes (I am assuming here this would mean that the fruit simply looked good to eat, sorda like when I see fresh cut pineapple from Costco) 3) And something that would make her wise (this being Satan's temptation of her eyes being opened "as" the Gods) Nothing in here suggest that Eve was tempted such that she "could" become a God. Her desire for food, something pleasing to they eye, and something that would make her wise did indeed get the best of her. Anything outside of this would be a personal belief and that is fine as long as we admit it as you have with your opening phrase, "I think." I personally don't see any indication that she knew or was tempted to "become" a God. She was tempted with food and wisdom, which would be different than becoming a God, even if that would be the outcome of her and Adam's decision. She didn't even know she was naked, but somehow knew she would become a God by eating the fruit? Not sure if that is truth, doesn't appear to be truth, but surely she wanted to be wise.

Your comparison of a child molester is not appropriate unless the child made a consent to be molested. God left Adam and Eve alone with Satan because Satan could not harm them if they remained obedient to Him. As the New Testament teaches, God is even able to provide a way out in our own temptations ... if we choose to follow Him. Jim

Why would anyone with dollars want to devaluate them? Desalination is good in many ways beyond clean water. A natural byproduct of ocean desalination is hydrogen which is an excellent, clean fuel that can offset gasoline. As for rising ocean levels – the trend for the last 20,000 years (which ended the ice age) has been toward global warming, receding of glaciers and the rising of the ocean. This changing of ocean levels has been problematic for any human civilization that relies of trade and the ocean bounties. The civilizations that have learned to adapt has survived and those that have refused to adapt (thinking instead to halt or to change climate trends) has dwindled away – mostly lost in history. As a side note few earthlings are aware that the great spot on Jupiter is shrinking and will likely soon disappear because of global climate change on Jupiter. Talk about a coincidence. The Traveler

You may be interested to know that when Joseph Smith was given his mission by an angel, the angel paralleled Gabriel's message by referencing Malachi. In short, Joseph Smith was to go forth in the spirit and power of Elijah and fulfill the portion of the Malachi prophesy that John left undone.

A little background on Baal. He was a demigod, the son of the supreme G-d El and a virgin female mortal. El was a name for G-d recognized in ancient Hebrew scripture. Baal was a Messianic character that arose in ancient Mesopotamia that became a popular worship in Egypt at the time of Moses. There are many parallels to Jesus – like a new star in the heavens at his birth. He had control over the weather and fought against Mot and Yamen to deliver the souls of human from death. Interestingly the most popular means of worshiping Baal in ancient Egypt involved a golden calf – which is similar to the Hebrew Red Heifer sacrifice (of Messianic origins). This is rather condensed but in essence Baal was a Messianic Gentile. Ifind it interesting that you use this title to define your religious experience. Now concerning wine. Anciently in Israel, grapes were brought in bunches and placed in a large stone basin. The grapes were walked on barefoot – this is because the human foot is padded and will gently press the best or new wine from the grapes. When this process has removed the best wine then what is left is gathered into loose woven baskets which were stacked and pressed with weights removing most of the remaining juice which is wine but not the best or new wine. What remains in the baskets is the skins, seeds and stems of the original grapes. This is then placed in another donut shaped stone basin. A large stone is rolled around the stone base (usually powered by a donkey) which crushes every last bit of liquid from the grape remains. This final liquid is called bitter wine or vinegar. The stone press that creates this bitter liquid is called gethsemane. The Traveler

yeah when I played football in Denmark my team played a friendly against the Danish under 21 squad and Schmeichal was in goal. I won a penalty and he saved it

So, I was assigned to hometeach a crotchety old sinner, who returned to activity because his wife had about had it with him. He told us about his smoking and drinking. We invited him to church. He told us about his sinful past, we called him brother and my companion bought a wood splitter with him and they worked together at it. He told us he refused to go to Elder's quorum because of the stupid horrible things some past EQP had said to him. We said we understood, and that we were grateful he kept letting us in every month. I figure his wife was doing much in the way of pushing and whatnot, but we did little to none of it. After he gained a little trust that we weren't judgmental jerks like so many others in his life, he warmed up to us. We brought a message, and answered stuff as it came up. He came back to church, even started going to Elders quorum. He was trying to jump in with both feet and be fully active. He wanted to keep his wife, live clean. His sinful past and lifelong bad habits, coupled with PTSD from Vietnam, often got in the way. He asked us for advice once. He had an opportunity to buy a bar. He was struggling financially, his veterans benefits weren't helping, he was still years away from the military realizing he was fully disabled and couldn't work. But his buddy would let him have the bar cheap, and he could run it. He wanted to know what that would mean to us, and to church. I told him if he bought the bar, we would still welcome him at church. I would still be happy to sit next to him. We would keep coming to see him as long as he'd have us. It would probably keep him out of the temple, and not sure how others would treat him. I mentioned that God might have an opinion on the subject, and if he hadn't sought it out, he should. Well, he didn't buy the bar. His vet benefits eventually got to where they should be, with back benefits attached. He and his wife eventually did a multiyear stint as temple workers. He has his spiritual ups and downs. He was a counselor in the High Priests until someone set him off and he started leaving after sacrament again. The other month a new bishop caught him, now he and his wife are teaching primary. He is a mix of sin and righteousness, gratitude and shame, weakness and strength. Kind of like all of us I suppose, except more of his stuff is out there in the open for all to see. I guess if "encouraging someone to live righteously" falls on a spectrum, I took the shallow end of the pool. Not sure the contribution I've made to his last 20 years, but I don't think I've done wrong by him or by God.

Yay! Another thread on how we get to judge others, and discussion on whether we can tell them they're wrong or not! Required reading for anyone who wants to do it righteously: “Judge Not” and Judging - By Elder Dallin H. Oaks Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles It's a very good article. If you figure you ought to go tell someone they're doing it wrong, all you have to do is pass these seven tests, and God agrees with you. If you're missing one of the seven, then you're basically judging unrighteously and should knock it off. But if you've got all seven, it's not only your right, but also your duty to pass the judgment and act on it. God commands it, in fact.

New member here The reference (a Gentile woman) called a dog that Jesus was tagged for saying is not in Jesus's character or his nature.That is a racist racial slur. He however was flagged for saying it which I do not believe he did but someone else with him may have done.Jesus ,in a figure of speech ,would never stoop so low. However ,at that time and before and even now Jews and no other race have always called Gentiles dogs .I have no knowledge of how many did or didn't then or now.Today the Gentile definition says Gentiles are just non Jews . But it also says it is an offensive word depending on the age of your dictionary.It depends on how it is used then or now in today's society.Example: There is a word used by inmates in prison throughout our country.The word is Boss referring to a prison officer.This word "Boss" in its original meaning from it's beginning does not mean a boss who may supervise inmates,it ,read backwards means something other as you can see if you write it backwards.But reading it forward it's just a normal expression of authority . The earliest usage of Gentile is Gen.Ch.10. In that day the saying had some disparaging usage but how much ,don't know.I do not know if Gentiles call other Gentiles a dog in which Dog is implied as a racial slur.

New member here Jesus rejected the Talmud Here is where he did Mt.15.1-14 and Mk.7.1-13 The claims the Pharisees were making against Jesus is not found in the Torah.They are in the Talmud only. Jesus called this teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.And Thus have made the commandment of God of none effect.And Traditions of men. The disciples said to Jesus the Pharisees were offended after they heard Jesus speak against it. The Talmud is to the Jews held in higher regard than the teachings of Moses.Jesus criticized them for it.This is still true today.

The Wikipedia article seems fairly decent if you want a brief overview of what the Talmud is (as opposed to a detailed examination of what it teaches, that's a somewhat different subject). ​The Talmud is the oral traditions of rabbinical Judaism. Simply knowing that Jesus was Jewish doesn't tell us to what extent he agreed with it, for instance the Sadducees were Jewish but rejected the Talmud. Speaking of the modern day, Reform and Reconstructionist Jews don't accept it as authoritative.