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  1. Junior, when you get angry at your bishop and insists he doesn't see things right, like you do, then THAT is pridefulness. When many people tell you essentially the same thing, and your response to all of them is, in effect, "You're all wrong and I'm right", that's pridefulness. When you refuse to consider what others tell you, both casual friends and knowledgeable leaders, because you're sure that you know better and you're right, that's pridefulness. Believe it or not, I'm not trying to come down on you. I am assuming you're sincere and not just trolling for responses, and I want you to succeed. My guess is that almost everyone who has responded on this thread also wants you to succeed. But we see that your actions and your reasoning are both incorrect. It's good that you want to take care of your girlfriend and your baby; it's not good that you're living with her and being less than honest with her. It's good that you want to go to the temple; it's not good that you defy the bishop and insist that he's wrong. It's good that you want to repent and be clean; it's not good that you have already determined that your repentance and cleansing is now complete, and everyone else must acknowledge that fact. What we're trying to say is: Be humble. "Humble" literally means "low to the ground". That's what you need to be (figuratively). You need to be on your knees before God, asking for guidance and promising to follow it. You need to be quiet when talking to your bishop, saying little else besides "I'll do that" and "Show me the way." Stop arguing, stop complaining, and for heaven's sake, STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT IN THE NEAR TERM. Focus on what you want in your life: A close relationship with the Spirit, a wife you love and serve and who is learning to love and serve you back, and healthy, happy children who are wanted and loved by their parents and are learning the truths of loving family life and of the gospel. Leave everything else behind. Much better that you go to the temple two years from now in a clean and worthy state than that you get your temple recommend tomorrow in your current state. Seriously, Junior. We're pulling for you. We aren't trying to shoot you down. But you need to take up the challenge, humble yourself, and make some important changes. Lecture finished.
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  2. This. The world, particularly atheists have dumbed down faith to mean, "Having no good reason to believe, but you believe it anyway." What I am surprised though is how active LDS and Christians have promulgated this false definition of faith also. Atheist, generally speaking, have made "faith" look like a really bad term that only ignorant, unstudied, unintelligent, irrational, and illogical people have. This to me is one of Satan's greatest successes. I won't tell people not to have faith, but I will change the definition such that people will think its dumb to have faith. When I read the quote from Elder Oaks, it was spot on. I found early on in my mission that researching all of the affects of items in the Word of Wisdom didn't help anyone change their behavior. What I did discover is that teaching principles of faith with the Word of Wisdom had more of an affect on the mind then teaching them all the bad that could happen because they drink, smoke, etc...
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  3. Can we just step back and actually parse the not being a fan thing here? Shouldn't we be declaring: Hurrah for Zion and the watchmen on its towers that God has blessed us with! Let us Praise Him and sustain and uphold His faithful watchmen with all our might, lest He remove them and leave us to our destruction!? How are we so complacent in the gift the apostles of the Lord are to us that we can feel comfortable in anything but unabashedly cheering them on with the utmost vigor? I love Elder Oaks. I love that God has brought up such a great and intelligent man to help guide His church. He may well be our prophet someday soon. Consider that.
    3 points
  4. In the (KJV) Bible, the word "meat" means "food" in every case. What we call "meat" is identified in the KJV as "flesh". This is in accordance with English word usage in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, where "meat" meant simply something you eat, not necessarily animal flesh (from Old English mete ‘food’ or ‘article of food’ (as in sweetmeat ), of Germanic origin). In Joseph Smith's translation of the Book of Mormon, he used the word "meat" to mean animal flesh, which by that time was commonly understood in the English-speaking world. I do not believe the "meat" link is meant to suggest that the children of Israel ate their quails uncooked. Rather, it just points up another incident where God supplied his wandering people with animal flesh for food. "Many days" is an indeterminate number. In my estimation, it generally implies months or years, not just weeks. When the Book of Moses tells us that Adam sacrificed for "many days" before the angel came, I assume that means years, not merely weeks or months.
    2 points
  5. Unix, I did it. It was a bit chilly at 70 degrees so we went faster. We went 6k this time. We could’ve gone more but the tips of my fingers was starting to tingle so we decided to go home.
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  6. When the majority of people here are giving you the same response as your Bishop with explanations of their support; I would suggest that instead of protesting so much, that you consider why everyone, including your Bishop and your mother, see things in a different way to you. Your actions will speak louder than any words and a change of heart is a long term commitment and your actions to date do not match your words - at least on the surface (i.e. going directly against church teachings and the council of your Bishop) You are a young man who is trying to do what he thinks is best; BUT to do better you will need to do what Heavenly Father thinks is best. To desire going to the temple is a worthy aspiration, but your concern at the moment seems to be to go NOW rather than when you will be spiritually more able to appreciate the experience. I waited for years to get my own endowment as I was not getting married or going on a mission and my Stake President required waiting for one of these circumstances for YSA's. Please note I had no worthiness issues. It was a good exercise in patience and understanding that things will happen in the Lords time and according to a bigger picture that I am not aware of. At no point did I think it would be appropriate to "bad mouth" my SP (I consider you to have done this to your Bishop on this forum), but that I should sustain him and try and learn from the experience. My only advice to you would be - take this issue to the lord in prayer and leave it with him. Then work on being the best person you can be and live within the bounds that are expected of you.
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  7. I know adult members who act this way. It's not that I disbelieve you, mirk. I don't disbelieve you. But I have seen dozens of instances where adults who say or write something in defense of an apostle or who reinforce the importance of inconvenient obedience are immediately tagged as prophet-worshipers. I assume there are some adults in the Church who truly do not understand that even apostles are just men ("just" in both senses), but I don't think I know any of them. Pretty much everyone I'm familiar with knows that apostles (and all other Priesthood leaders) are men and not God, that sometimes their opinions might be incorrect, and that they might even implement less-than-optimal policies, or implement them in a ham-fisted way. Most faithful Saints acknowledge this, but maintain that we sustain our leaders anyway. In any case, little of this applies to President Oaks. When people are offended by what Elder Oaks teaches, the problem lies 100% with those taking offense. Even Jesus offended people with his teachings, and I dearly hope no Saint would suggest that Jesus simply was not empathetic enough or sufficiently careful in his choice of words.
    2 points
  8. zil

    Temptations of Christ

    You didn't ask about those, just about the apparent conflict between the two Matthew verses. And there's a difference between being tempted and the Spirit explicitly leading him somewhere for the express purpose of being tempted - the one rational, the other absurd.
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  9. @GaleG, There's a book called "Lehi in the Desert", which you can read online for free at that link, which gives a lot of cultural / historic / geographic background information, making it easier to understand the story at the start of the Book of Mormon. (The other 2/3 of that book cover similar things about the people in the book of Ether (later in the Book of Mormon).) Just mentioning in case you want to read. It's a very easy read, much like reading a novel.
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  10. Well a flashing 12:00 is right twice a day then😃
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  11. Manners Matter

    Heading to Utah

    In case you're not aware, there's a church bookstore in town. They don't have the biggest selection but may be worth a look. Parking in back. This Is The Place - Kensington (A Deseret Book Licensed Retailer) 103335 KENSINGTON PKWY KENSINGTON MD, 20895 Phone Number: 301-933-1943
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  12. Legit! Which makes way more sense as to how the temptations were, indeed, temptations. The temptation was, I think, do thine own will, or worse, do the tempter's will instead of the Father's. Excellent thought.
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  13. wenglund

    Temptations of Christ

    II am glad you mentioned competitiveness since it is not often considered in the context of Christ's temptations. In a way, I believe that Satan was tempting Christ to provide some physical show of power that came anywhere close to his own--not just in the way that Satan was able to transport Christ here and there, but also the vast kingdom of the world over which Satan ruled. It was the ultimate power struggle, on earth, so to speak. I figure that Satan knew Christ wouldn't take the bait, and would thus consider it as proof of Satan's superiority--not unlike when a bully get's in someone's face and ask what they are going to do about it, and considers himself the better when the people being bullied don't rise to the challenge. However, the beauty and splendor in Christ's responses to the temptations was that it spiritually demonstrated that Satan was powerless over him, and as such Christ's power and his works and dominions, before then and to follow, far exceeded that of Satan'--not unlike how greater courage may be evident in walking away from bullies picking fights. This, as always, is an object lesson for all of us. Gaining empowerment that far exceeds Satan comes from not succumbing to the temptations of Satan. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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  14. One of the purposes behind Christ being tempted was so that he would be "made like his brethren" and "suffered being tempted" so that he could "succor those that are tempted." ( Heb. 2:17-18) For this to occur necessitated that Jesus resolve his hunger in the same way as his brethren.: His use of power, then, could not exceed that of his brethren. Nevertheless, your question can be expanded beyond eating and drinking to also include the use of "power" to heal the sick and afflicted--be it taking herbs and medicine to giving or receiving priesthood blessings. And, while it seems evident that, during his mortal ministry, Jesus used his "powers" for the benefit of others--including healing the sick, I don't see why it would be wrong for him to use those powers at times to heal himself (assuming he ever got sick) or to prevent himself from getting sick. After all, we are told to lovie thy neighbor (brethren) as thyself. As for where to draw the line? I think Jesus Christ made that abundantly clear. The line for him, and ought to be for all of us, is the "will of the Father." Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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  15. Sounds nice and....random.
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  16. Nobody, and I mean NO ONE DEAD OR ALIVE can ever equal the famous "Starbuck". They tried replacing him with a woman. Nuh uh. Does not happen, cannot happen, never will he be equaled!
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  17. Vort

    Perception of Utah

    Lots of interest from the 35-year-old unmarried male contingent.
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  18. anatess2

    Temptations of Christ

    I’d say Power is that which is beyond the capability of the limited mortal body. Turning stone to bread would not be de facto sinful if the act was done for the purpose of completing his mortal ministry. For example, if it is between him dying of hunger or living to fulfill the Atonement, turning stone to bread would be an act of obedience to God’s plan.
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  19. Fether

    Perception of Utah

    I personally don’t mind the stereotype. When done in light humor, it’s an easy ice breaker or conversation starter. As far as how you described it. Unfair? Not really, we have more polygamists here than any other state. puerile? Perhaps a bit, but most of the time I receive in good humor and not as a jab or to make fun of. Bigoted? Sometimes, but I see it Similar to saying to people from Indian “Hoosier daddy?” Or “you married to your cousin?” To a true blood Kentuckian (which is a valid question!)
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  20. Vort

    Perception of Utah

    The main problem with this is not that it's bigoted or puerile or unfair (though it is all of those things). The biggest problem with this is that it isn't funny.
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  21. Pride is a serious sin and one that counters true change/repentence.
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  22. CV75

    Temptations of Christ

    In this way Jesus was 1. tempted to tempt the Father to rescue Him, 2. to provide a sign to the devil to prove He was divine, and 3. to provide to Himself a sign that He was worthy of the Father's protection. We can see elements of the devil enticing Him into fear, doubt, insecurity, pride, competitiveness and a carnal, sensual and devilish attitude. "If" can be a powerful word!
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  23. wenglund

    Temptations of Christ

    These are the two points I was hoping would be brought out by my two provocative questions. At their core, each of the three temptations was an enticement to not only violate laws of appetite and so forth, but also the two great commandments upon which rest all the laws and the prophets . They were designed to defy the will of Him to whom we ought to be subjected,and those to whom he would have us serve. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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  24. zil

    Temptations of Christ

    The Holy Ghost (the Spirit) does not lead us into temptation. Temptation is something we experience because of agency, opposition, and our fallen nature, but the Spirit doesn't say, "Here, come on into this here brothel and see if you can take it." or other such things. The Spirit leads us to God and to good. Undoubtedly, Christ was tempted in all things - beyond our ability to withstand, I'm sure - but it wasn't the Spirit that led him into temptation.
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  25. I actually attended this meeting, it was in my stake. The article explained the context pretty well. I'd emphasise that this was a Q&A meeting for young married couples, where a specific question was asked in regards to keeping marriages together. It was a great meeting, I enjoyed it.
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  26. I happen to really like President Oaks. I think that in most cases no matter what he says it will cause offence in someone. I think that had any other member of the 12 gave this same advice there would be no issue.
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  27. I would second @anatess2, that chapter dives deep and plainly explains the purpose of this life, the fall, and the importance of agency. There you will find the answer to you question. Additionally, I would add a summarization of Doctrine and Covenants 88:22-31 in my own words. The Celestial Kingsin is a society of people who want to live all the laws that God has and fully accept all that he has to offer, both duties and blessings. The Terrestrial Kingdom is a society of great people who, though did not believe in god (or if they did, did not want the responsibilities of the Celestial Kingdom), still want to be good and live around good people. The Telestial Kingdom is a society of people that want to exist but not be governed by the laws of god. In pre earth life and in our mortal life, we are showing God but our decisions which kingdom we want to be a part of, and in the process qualifying for the one we want.
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  28. I'm enjoying the JAG-TFP exchange, and find myself agreeing with both. I hope that does not make me lukewarm and spew-out-of-God's-mouthable.
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  29. Why? I unabashedly "hero-worship" them. (Understanding the term "hero-worship" to differ in important and meaningful ways from the idea of actual "worship"). In short, they are heroes to me. I don't apologize for that. I don't believe that equates to believing them to be "perfect" or flawless. And I think that idea (that some members think the Q12 and FP are flawless) is a lie generated by antis. No one I have ever met...EVER...thinks that. Well...maybe a few 7-year-olds.
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  30. Why do you think I posted that image?
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  31. Was it before Y2k? It might have been in the mid-late '90's. I joined up years after it had started, although I lurked and read for a year prior.
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  32. Anddenex

    Temptations of Christ

    Pertaining to the three types of temptations our Savior experienced the following talk by Howard W. Hunter, "The Temptations of Christ," is a good read. 1) First temptation covers the appetites of the flesh. We all will list to obey the flesh or the spirit. He that is spiritually minded hath eternal life, he that is carnally minded (flesh) receives death. 2) Second temptation covers the temptation of power. The desire within us all to perform some exploit that will cause all onlookers to be amazed at the power we have. 3) Third temptation covers the root of all evil - pride. The desire to be worshipped (an icon or idol), to have power and the riches this world has to offer. Others have provided some additional thoughts, which appear to have some application also.
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  33. And isn't that the real point? We should not need someone like Heather to point out that we need to really understand things before we jump on the "I'm offended", "This person is wrong", etc, etc bandwagons. Doing so leaves us vulnerable being manipulated, used and lead astray. We are instructed to listen, to ponder, and pray, and that is the answer we should be giving to everyone that might otherwise be struggling.
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  34. Doing as Satan suggested would have been a sin and he came to earth to be like us. When was a the last time you turned a rock into bread? Oh, right, we as humans do not have that ability. Therefore he would have been cheating, thus sinning. he was in the desert to fast and experience hunger and want, not to show off his godlike powers.
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  35. This is immaterial to the situation at hand. To borrow a Utah colloquialism, What the Frick! Sorry, there are exactly two people that carry responsibility for this pregnancy. You never, ever, ever get to shift that blame to the other person unless you were raped or manipulated into having sex. By your own admissions, you were the one who used her for pleasure, knowing that you didn't share the same commitment to her that she did to you. You're stuck with the lion share of the blame on this one. This was not even six months ago. I hate to break it to you, but people don't change that quickly. "Oh poor me. A girl who had stronger feelings for me than I did for her agreed to sleep with me because she wanted to give me what I wanted." She has not wrecked your life. You've done that all by yourself. Um, yes, you really are young. Worse, you're immature. I say this with a straight face knowing that I'm probably going to get in trouble for it. But it honestly needs to be said. Do this poor girl and the child a favor. Walk away. Pay the child support and never see either of them ever again. They don't need an immature jerk hanging around. They're better off without you.
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  36. Aaddaamm

    Temptations of Christ

    To above comment. the priesthood power of God is not be used for selfish purposes. But is used for the aid of others.
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  37. Or you could simply acknowledge that taking comments "out of context" is underhanded tactic of liars and con-men. And that everyone including our leaders have the right to have there comments taken in context and the way the person meant it to be
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  38. You’ve been doing the right thing so far. Keep at it. Attraction is temporary, and love dies of starvation unless you deliberately do things to feed it. Don’t feed it, and eventually things will get better.
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  39. mikbone

    Temptations of Christ

    I posted this about a month ago, after doing some counseling with my adult children 1) Command that these stones be made bread. - Christ had just fasted for 40 days. No doubt He was hungry. The superficial temptation is to satisfy our physical carnal desires. But deeper, is the sin of Pride. Satan was tempting Christ to use his creative powers to prove that He was God by transmuting stone to bread. Beware of Pride And Christ's response - Deuteronomy 8:3 2) If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down. - Satan even quotes scripture Psalm 91: 11-12 to bolster his temptation. The superficial temptation is to rely upon others, and once again to prove his godly powers. But as I studied this - and recalled the events in Gethsemane, coupled with hardship that occurs during a normal lifetime. I recognized that Satan was going to a much darker place. He was trying with all his might to cause Despair to enter into the heart of our Lord and Savior. Real despair - the type that leads to concepts of suicide or annihilation. Despair is a tool of the Devil, it is the complete absence of Hope. Both of these temptations are of an emotional nature. There are times in our lives when all seems at loss and no forward progress appears as a possibility. We must recognize that Despair is from the Evil One and fight it with hope. Do Not Despair Christ's response - Deuteronomy 6:16 3) All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. On the surface once again we see the temptation for worldly stuff. But it was at the cost of changing allegiances from God to Satan. As I look deeper though, I perceive a common sin that many of us indulge. We seek Shortcuts, the path of least resistance. God wants all of his children to have - all that He has. But He wants us to obtain these gifts, rewards, property, and increase through the process of overcoming all things. Only when we deserve the rewards should we have them. These sins can be somewhat perceived as a spiritual nature. Christ created the Earth. At age 12 He could have overcome Rome and conquered the entire world. When Peter smote off of the Roman centurion's ear, Christ stated, "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?" A single roman legion is considered 5,000 soldiers. Imagine 5,000 military soldiers invading your hometown. And recognize that a single angel of the Lord killed over 185,000 men in 2 Kings 19:35. Jesus was proclaiming his authority to command 60,000 Angels! But He didn't. He bid his time and suffered the will of the Father in all things. How many times do we seek after things that we have not earned. Fornication or adultery, purchasing goods on debt, unjust abuse of power, dishonest dealings with our fellow man to produce lucre we did not earn. God wants us to have everything, but He wants us to earn it, so that we can be a wise steward and use our increase to bless others. There is no heavenly lottery. Christ's response - Deuteronomy 6:13-14 Pride is the root of all sin. Despair is a tool of the Devil, we have no business dwelling with despair. If darkness gathers we must use the light of hope to dispel its effects. In ourselves and others. And we must trust in the Lord to have the patience and work ethic to achieve the gifts and increase that the Lord has in store for us.
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  40. zil

    Temptations of Christ

    The JST fixes this problem.
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  41. I'm calm. I read the entire article. I fully realize that Heather was (ultimately) coming down on the side of not crucifying President Oaks based on what he said. My opinion remains unchanged. I hear echoes of some of David Snell's recent columns, where he talks about how unfortunately phrased President Oaks' proclamations are. Frankly, this is the kind of bull I expect from, well, other supposedly LDS-oriented discussion sites that will not be mentioned. Not here.
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  42. I had the same thought. There are very few places where you can find spiritual growth online anymore. I may be better off avoiding it all.
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  43. This is our own Heather?! I almost can't believe it. I am stunned. This is the most backhanded of defenses of our leadership, the equivalent of telling your date, "You know, for a fat chick, you don't sweat much." I have to wonder very seriously if I belong on this site at all. I'm thinking maybe not.
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  44. If you aren't in an Apostle of The Christ's fan club, you're following the wrong band. You should rethink your stance.
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  45. I don't quite understand it when an author starts an article with how much he/she (generic) doesn't like certain leaders of the church (I've seen this more than once). While this author actually ends up defending President Oaks, she spends the first few paragraphs talking about why she doesn't like him. Maybe this is just me, but I don't find such criticism of our leaders helpful at all. Are they human? Absolutely, and they make mistakes regularly just like us. But I don't understand why we don't just trust that the Lord is leading his church, and stop trying to steady the ark. President Oaks is one of my favorite speakers, he always has been, but even if I didn't like him for whatever reason I wouldn't criticize him publicly. He is an Apostle of Jesus Christ, chosen by God as a prophet, seer, and revelator. If he is in error, let God deal with him and I can focus on working on my own relationship with Christ. I think all of us could be a little kinder and more forgiving of our leaders.
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  46. @Grunt & @Midwest LDS - thank you both so much! Your kind-spirited and uplifting words have encouraged me a great deal. I still have a lot to learn about the culture and about the doctrine of the church, and there is a lot of confusion on my part at times. I've found this forum to be tremendously helpful as I've been reading through posts, and I usually love the spirit in which information is shared. I had a friend suggest that I just watch the endowment ceremony on youtube, and I immediately felt like I should be extremely careful about the sources that I choose, and that I shouldn't treat such a sacred ceremony lightly. I've got to keep this brief as I have to head to work early this morning, but my heart is now at peace and I know that I can fully participate in the endowment ceremony and get sealed to my wife without any reservations at all. God bless you for being willing to share, and for your kind & caring spirits.
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  47. I appreciate the fact that you take your covenants with God so seriously, and I am sure God is well pleased with your desire to honor him. First off, remember that your relationship with God is what matters. Don't concern yourself with how closely Tom, Dick, and Harry are following the commandments, just worry about you (and your family of course). The church is a hospital for sinners, and all of us are trying to overcome our weaknesses and sins through Christ's grace. As far as the temple covenants are concerned, I can't talk about the specifics (I and everyone else who has been to the temple have made a covenant with God not to) but I feel inspired to share a scripture with you. Doctrine and Covenants 1:30 "30 And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually" You said you made a covenant to devote all your time, talents, and gifts to pursue a deepening relationship with Christ. This is Christ's church. Anything dedicated to his church is dedicated to him, as he created and continues to run this organization. So the question you have to ask yourself is do you truly believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the restored Church of Christ? If the answer is yes, you should have no problems making the covenants in the temple as they will not conflict with your personal covenants. If your answer is no, work on gaining that testimony before going to make your covenants. Best of luck in your spiritual journey brother.
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  48. I have intentionally steered clear of commenting on this thread, exactly because my opinion directly contradicts what many leaders have taught. For this reason, I haven't even followed this thread very closely, so forgive me if I either repeat points already made or go off on some weird tangent that's irrelevant to the present discussion. My current opinion is that Section 131 looks (to me) to refer quite clearly to what Section 76 calls the "degrees of glory". When read in that light, and of course in my opinion. Section 131 simply makes a lot more sense than supposing that it means the celestial kingdom itself is tripartite. What would a three-part celestial kingdom even mean? The Lord makes it abundantly clear that if we are not one, we are not his. How, then, can there be division in the very celestial kingdom of the Father and his Christ? What kind of man or woman would, indeed could, live the gospel and abide tightly by its precepts to the point of receiving celestial glory, but then refuse THE VERY RELATIONSHIP THAT DEFINES CELESTIAL GLORY? To me, it is utterly unimaginable. A celestial kingdom peopled with those who refuse to make the very covenant that brings eternal life? To my mind, this is absurd in the extreme. Having written the above, I must quickly concede that the common understanding of a tripartite celestial kingdom is held by most if not all current Church leadership—or at least if they don't hold that view, they keep their opinions on the matter to themselves. Though I am no General Authority and thus am free to speculate privately without danger of anyone misunderstanding my speculations as LDS doctrine, I nevertheless don't really pipe up with this interpretation of Section 131 very often. I feel no need to preach my own private interpretations in opposition to statements by the prophets and other leaders. Ultimately, either I'm right or I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, the less I say, the better; and if I'm right, then the truth will ultimately come out without my preaching. I am reminded of those so-called Saints in the 1960s and early 1970s who insisted that the Church was wrong to deny the Priesthood to those of black African descent. Many today would say that they were right—and be it noted that I am not one of those; I think quite the opposite. But even if they were factually correct, which again I disbelieve, even then they were out of bounds in proclaiming their private interpretations. They were apostate, Those who were excommunicated for their teachings and actions fully deserved it. I do not want ever to be classified with such people. I would rather be wrong with God's chosen leaders (or be right and shut up) than proclaim my own brilliance in defiance of them. So there you go.
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  49. Fether

    Perception of Utah

    That your mother/father doesnt know that his/her mom’s baby daddy is her mom’s cousin.
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  50. Midwest LDS

    Perception of Utah

    In my mission, maybe 5 or 6 years before I got there, they briefly had District Leaders go on teamups with pairs of Sisters the same way they do when training Elders. Three guesses as to why the mission president ended that practice quickly😃. I can only imagine how much fun tracting must have been.
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