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  1. estradling75

    The Plan of Salvation

    For as much as we know about the pre-existence there is more we do not know. Many of your question about exact details we do not know. However lets clarify come misunderstandings you do have. I make all kinds of plans... and I usually find out very quickly that they will not work. While we are commonly told that Satan had a plan.. everything we seen and learn at are taught tells us his plan would not work. Thus Satan has a plan but there is every indication that his "promises" were lies. For those that followed him everything points to them having full Light and Truth and choosing to embrace and side with Darkness and Lies. Why does anyone one do that?.. I have no idea but people do all the time. Finally angels are not a different type or class in the Restored Gospel theology. They are simply people like us but in a Pre-Mortal or Post Mortal state, who have an assignment to do something among mortals.
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  2. Do you remember the first movie version of The Hobbit? If you think I'm talking about the Bass-Rankin animated version, think again. Not many people know this, but the first movie adaptation came out in 1967, a full 10 years before the Bass-Rankin movie! Wikipedia gives us the story behind it: it seems that producer William L. Snyder had bought the film rights in 1964, but was unable to find the collaborators he needed to make the movie. With the rights about to expire, he needed to (i) make the movie and (ii) have people pay to see it, or else the rights would revert to Tolkien So he commissioned animator Gene Deitch (who had worked him on Popeye and Tom and Jerry) to make The Hobbit as a cartoon short. Having flung the thing together as cheaply and nastily as he could, he charged his audience a dime each to see the it (dimes, by the way, that he had given them beforehand) so that they could honestly say they had "paid to see the movie". Thanks to this, Snyder kept the movie rights, which he was then able to sell back to J.R.R. Tolkien for $100,000. And thanks to YouTube, we can see this wonderful movie in it's full 12-minutes of glory! Enjoy! P.S. I was so fascinated I did some more web searching. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've read the movie cost $50 to make. I don't believe it - even the puerile Super 8 animations my friends and I used to make at school - which didn't even have sound (let alone music) - couldn't have cost much less if you factored everything in.
    2 points
  3. 1) Christ was always the chosen Son of God. There was no “before” then. 2) A person could easily assume as much 3) I echo estradling75 ‘S well worded answer
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  4. Because Conservatives (In the small government sense) are a direct threat to their getting and keeping power. The axiom is Power Corrupts therefore it should be no surprise that that government has a broad streak of corruption in it. Because of this we quickly see that politicians can not let a crisis go to waste. Does not matter what the crisis is... medical, guns, racism, sexism, whatever. They will promise to "DO SOMETHING" and they do. They grab power and defect from their own crimes. Case in point, how long has the government been "DOING SOMETHING" about poverty, racism, sexism,, immigration, whatever... and it does not get any better. But when Conservatives point out that this Emperor has no clothes... we get attacked. We get called racist, we get called sexist, we get called uncaring about people dying and even UnChrist-like... all because we see the honey trap for what it is an try to get others to see it as well.
    1 point
  5. Just_A_Guy

    Stopping COVID

    I don’t know that I completely buy that. Speaking anecdotally, I think once *one* person in a house has a cold or flu or COVID, the other residents are likely to get it no matter how large the house is—particularly if you have three or more kids in the house. I believe downtown SLC has much higher population density then any of the three other areas mentioned, generally speaking; if their rate isn’t as bad as the other three, than that suggests this is more a result of behaviors than of mere population density. Speaking of behaviors: it just occurred to me that thirty years ago, we dealt with an AIDS pandemic that could have been easily eradicated if a critical mass of society would simply have 1) practiced sexual monogamy, and 2) avoided intravenous use of drugs. And we couldn’t even do that. To suggest that thirty years later, our even less-disciplined society is capable of doing all the things it would reportedly take to eradicate COVID-19, strikes me as not being particularly realistic. (Oh, I’ll do it, don’t get me wrong. But I fully expect that critical mass of people won’t; that the mess will get worse; and that—just like with AIDS—the Powers that Be will avoid taking a hard look at risky behaviors perpetrated by their own pet constituencies and instead attribute the lion’s share of the blame to the Evil Conservatives who failed to love government enough).
    1 point
  6. NeedleinA

    hello - church beliefs

    @romans8 Since the "keystone to our religion" is the Book of Mormon, and Book of Mormon is vital to learning about "this Church"... here is a promise from God that should be helpful in your learning process. This promise is given to anyone, yourself included. It is found in Moroni 10:3-5 Here are some highlights, lets say some necessary steps in order to learn for yourself if the Book of Mormon is true. I notice you have a variety of questions posted elsewhere on the forum. These same steps/requirements can be applied to any gospel learning: Step 1: Have a sincere heart Step 2: Have real intent Step 3: Have faith in Christ Step 4: Ask God if these things are true I've seen, met and taught individuals who unfortunately want to gloss over these steps, rather wholeheartedly just ignore the necessity of a "Sincere heart" or "Real intent" for example. I met with a Pastor from another faith once. His goal was to prove those LDS missionaries wrong, he told us as much. In front of us he instantly decided to pray to God and ask if the Book of Mormon was true. Immediately after his 15 second prayer and without skipping a beat, he launched into, "See nothing happened, I felt nothing, you guys and your book are wrong". While he did ask of God (I suppose), it was abundantly clear that he did so without a sincere heart or real intent. His goal wasn't to honestly seek out the truth, he just wanted to pick a fight under the guise of honest learning. More often than not, those who willing exclude the above steps find that they are simply spinning their wheels as they seek answers from man rather than God. Sincere questions are typically responded to with sincere answers. I also invite you to follow the above steps as you sincerely learn more about the Church.
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