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  1. estradling75

    The Plan of Salvation

    For as much as we know about the pre-existence there is more we do not know. Many of your question about exact details we do not know. However lets clarify come misunderstandings you do have. I make all kinds of plans... and I usually find out very quickly that they will not work. While we are commonly told that Satan had a plan.. everything we seen and learn at are taught tells us his plan would not work. Thus Satan has a plan but there is every indication that his "promises" were lies. For those that followed him everything points to them having full Light and Truth and choosing to embrace and side with Darkness and Lies. Why does anyone one do that?.. I have no idea but people do all the time. Finally angels are not a different type or class in the Restored Gospel theology. They are simply people like us but in a Pre-Mortal or Post Mortal state, who have an assignment to do something among mortals.
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  2. Carb the engineer at work! I deleted the rest of my other post. Besides securing/building it better... let people know that if they try to take it down it will self detonate into 10,000 pieces of statue shrapnel. Then see who is willing to pull it down.
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  3. Interestingly, titanium is one of the most common elements in the earth's crust, more common than carbon. The only reason it's such an exotic and expensive metal is because the refining process is unbelievably complex, labor- and energy-intensive. This is the position aluminum was in a century or so ago, before the Bayer refining process was developed. Perhaps something similar will happen with titanium, and our grandchildren will drink their caffeinated, carbonated garbage from superthin titanium cans.
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  4. Weld and concrete those things in better. Make 'um so that it would take a tank to pull them down.
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  5. I think they should all stay up, but with an addition; place a placard detailing the positive reasons for why the statue was erected and also the negative or controversial actions or characteristics of the individual. Regardless, I am okay with cities voting to replace or remove statues, but I'm not okay with vandals tearing them down.
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  6. I think I know what you mean. But if you believe the rioters today have any semblance of sufficient historical knowledge to put that together or enough self-control to guide themselves by such knowledge, I think you give them too much credit.
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  7. I remember Drumhead. I am embarrassed to say that if it were presented as a movement I were more amenable to supporting, I don't know if I'd be immune to it. I would probably go along with it. But the reason I'd consider myself more "sensible" is not because I'm immune to mob mentality. I believe it because the "mob" that I'd tend to side with is the side that would be consistent with my set of values. For instance: I don't understand how taking down statues of Abraham Lincoln (the man most responsible for ending slavery in America) would correlate with ending racial injustice. I don't know how protesting for racial equality would include ransacking small businesses owned by minorities. I don't know how Christians who believe a cult is growing too powerful would go about raping the cult's women to death and justify it as God's will.
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  8. Perhaps it was. This (cheering mobs destroying statues) is an example of precisely the kind of mobthink that I abhor so much, and that afflicts the American political Left to such a great degree. Those with insufficiently enlightened opinions must be silenced! Persecute the evil non-believers! Perhaps my ancestral memories of just this sort of mobocracy that resulted in the persecution, imprisonment, rape, and murder of my ancestors and their neighbors only a few generations back tends to make me all the more intolerant of those who willingly abdicate their minds and emotions just so they can signal their virtue as loudly as possible.
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  9. I hadn't thought to connect this current issue with the gospel, but you make an excellent point. Temple ordinances, scripture, even visions both modern and ancient make heavy use of symbolism. They teach lessons far beyond the actual physical symbol used (Lehi's great and spacious building, Jacob's ladder etc.) I had a lot more visceral negative reaction to New York announcing it would remove that statue of Teddy Roosevelt, than I would have someone just speaking ill of him because of what the symbolism of that act represents.
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  10. I agree. This stuff is really starting to smack of the Chinese Cultural revolution in the late 60's. Everything from the past torn down by mobs that are acting with the approval of the government. As a historian, it turns my stomach, but I agree there is an overriding political will behind the madness.
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  11. And here I was hoping these people were just LARPing 1984.
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  12. The problem is that this is not about slavery, racism, or "Confederate traitors". That is why black business owners are being targeted just as much (or proportionally more) than white business owners. That is why Lincoln and Grant statues are going down as well. How many people really care about Brigham Young being racist or not? (I don't think he was, but that is beside the point). All this vandalism and tearing down of statues is really about: Removing all symbols of the old empire and replacing them with symbols of the new empire. Nature abhors a vacuum. As these statues come down, just wait for what they're replaced with. That will tell you the real agenda behind all this. I don't know what those symbols will be or the specific agenda that will come. But when the symbols start going up, we'll know then. What I do know is that they will be evil under the guise of justice and virtue. Thus the devil transforms himself into an angel of light. BTW, this is what disturbed me about Don Trump Jr. joking about putting up Trump statues in place of all those which were taken down. I know he was joking. But the fact is that SOMEthing will replace them. And anything new is undiscovered territory. Whereas, we would rather suffer those ills we have than to fly to others we know not of -- so long as such ills are sufferable.
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  13. A parent doesn't have to teach his kids history. A parent NEEDS TO TEACH his kids good manners and right conduct which includes self-discipline, repentance, forgiveness, humility and charity among other Godly virtues. A parent doesn't need to know history himself. A child will learn history out of curiosity. "Nobody taught me this" - is a victimhood mentality. The attitude that it is somebody else's fault that I didn't know X - that is an indication of a lack of virtue. So yes, a parent can successfully parent even when such parent is illiterate if the parent successfully instills Godly virtues in his children, especially the virtue of humility - the acknowledgment that I don't know everything and, therefore, I can learn something from everybody else, living or dead, abolitionist or slave trader.
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  14. On sober reflection, my primary concern may be that the love of Vort is waxing cold. I have never in my life felt such disappointment and even disgust toward so many of my fellow Americans. I feel so drained that it's almost as if I have lost hope for society and just want to see the "other side" go their way while I and mine go ours. I want to care about my fellow man and mourn for the ignorance and hatred that blinds people. Perhaps if I could see my own fallen state better, I would be a lot more sympathetic and charitable toward those who vandalize businesses and chant stupid, meaningless, Orwellian slogans. As it is, I'm tired of putting up with their crap, and I just want them to go away.
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