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  1. Hate's a strong word. Most of us are just tired of seeing centrist dinosaurs waste Dem power by rocking the boat as little as possible so that other centrist dinosaurs will keep voting for them. "Right now, Minnesota is showing the country you don't win elections to bank political capital – you win elections to burn political capital and improve lives." -Governor Tim Walz
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  2. True that. I hang out with some woke progressives, and I learned they hated Hillary and Biden almost as much as they hate Trump. They figure Trump is a fascist out to kill women by denying them healthcare, but they also think Hilary and Biden are both irredeemable evil capitalists who are owned by corporations.
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  3. I didn't know that about Johnny. But if he was good enough for Henry Rollins and Brett Gurewitz, then he's good enough for me.
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  4. I totally agree. Your analysis here I incredibly thorough already and my comments are not going to be able to match it. The main thing that struck me here was the clarity with which the life and ministry of Jesus is summarised (not just the 600 years). The closest parallel I can think of in the Old Testament is the "Suffering Servant" in Isaiah but most modern Jews (so I understand) don't even recognise that as being about the Messiah at all but about Israel as a nation (though I don't think this was always the case). It would be hard for there to be any such interpretation of this passage. Anyway thanks Zil for all your effort on this. I think I'm going to have to read through all your comments a few more times.
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  5. 1 Nephi 9 v5-6: represent a principle, IMO. The Lord often asks us to do things without always explaining why. Like Nephi, we should trust that the Lord has good reason, and obey regardless of understanding. Chapter 10 The wording in this chapter does make it seem as if plain understanding about Christ had been lost and Lehi was learning it anew - in essence, restoring the gospel, as many a prophet had to do over the ages. v4: I've heard some outside the Church make a big deal out of the precise timing (600 years), and why these people had that but the Jews didn't. My thoughts there: (1) I don't know who knew what back then. (2) Lehi and his party could not cause any problems in the areas where Christ would come - they couldn't afford the airfare or satellite phones, so it would do no harm for them to know, and might help them to have hope. But if the precise timing were known among the Jews, just think of the scheming and violence and chaos that would have ensued. It would have been far worse than it was. v8: The admonition to "make [the Lord's] paths straight" has always seemed strange to me. I wonder what cultural or linguistic information I'm lacking to make the meaning of this more clear. (I can make up stuff, but it's me making up stuff and I suspect there's something from the culture of the time that I'm lacking.) v17, 19 and Chapter 11+: You can choose to believe what prophets tell you and be content with the witness that their word is true, or you can also seek to know of yourself. The second is harder. Chapter 11 [Klaw is making adorable sleeping-stretching squeaky noises. ] v1: We must make an effort to gain spiritual knowledge - more than just asking for it. v4: (see also Ether 3:11) Belief, even pre-belief (aka complete trust in God and real intent to act according to what he reveals) is key to receiving knowledge from the Spirit. v4-6: (rephrased): Spirit: "Do you believe your father saw the tree?" Nephi: "Yes." Spirit: "You are blessed because you believe in the Son of God" ... that the tree is Christ doesn't get any clearer. v7: Once you have a witness of the Son of God, you are obligated to bear record of Him. v10: The Spirit doesn't just volunteer everything - Nephi has to have considered what he wants to know and has to ask for it in detail. v11-12 & 14: I wonder why the Spirit of the Lord leaves and an angel takes his place from here on. v33: I heard one person object that crucifixion wasn't a thing yet (as of 600 BC), so how could Nephi speak of it as if he were familiar with the idea? (1) v31 "and the angel spake and showed all these things unto me" - we're not getting the narrative, but the angel is there explaining it all; (2) this isn't 16-year-old Nephi writing these events, this is much-older Nephi writing about things he's known since he was 16, so of course he's going to be comfortable using the language to relate these ideas. (Not gonna try picking this chapter apart further - there's just so much here...)
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  6. LDSGator

    Disney wokeness

    It is, but you have to remember that the more extreme you are personally, the more it deludes you. There are people on the hard right who think Ronald Reagan was a moderate and people on the hard left that think Obama was “too conservative.”
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  7. NeuroTypical

    Trump 2024?

    I missed the link, but you don't need a Russian expert to disagree with me. Lots and lots of people think that when a nation's leader speaks to his own people, other nation's leaders notice or care. They're free to think that.
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  8. LDSGator

    Disney wokeness

    Eddie Vedder was also a good friend of his (Johnny) too. None of these men (Rollins, Gurewitz, Vedder) are the MAGA type.
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  9. LDSGator

    Trump 2024?

    I can find “Russian experts” that have all sorts of opinions.
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  10. Alma 12:26 Alma 42:5 Sounds bitter to me. IMO, it was the circumstances which made it bitter or sweet.
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  11. Jews did perceive it that way. That is why there is debate about what is meant by Daniel's term "Son of Man." Jews say this refers to a nation (Jews). And Christians usually say that is an incorrect interpretation, it obviously refers to the Messiah which will be God among us (Emmanuel). We have to remember that this "communal salvation" is not what Daniel knew about. It was the Jews' interpretation to shoe horn in this idea of "Son of Man" without giving credence to the Christian idea of the Messiah. Yes. But I need to point out another point: Sealing. There is a saying that has been repeated several times in various General Conferences: I've read many explanations of why we must have a "welding link all the way back to Adam." I don't want to dismiss them. But for the most part, they only give the most mortal explanations (families are important to help us stay on the path, etc.). But the divine reason is something much greater. There is a reason why exaltation is a family phenomenon. There is a reason for the necessity of that welding link. I don't think I've ever heard a real explanation for the eternal reason for that principle, only earthly reasons for it. Yet, I know the eternal reason is there. It exists. I thought I understood it once when I was in deep contemplation. But as soon as I began to explain it, it fled my mind. There is something real in the sealing. It isn't just husbands and wives that have the important bond. There is also something very important about the parent-child bond. I just wish I could hold it in my mind long enough to explain it.
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  12. JohnsonJones

    Religion is Good

    When you say Covid Idiocy, are you referring to quarantines and isolation as well as masking policies? Things supported by the Apostles and even the Prophet? What exactly are you referring to? Historically, these measures HAVE helped save lives (though those who haven't read history REALLY tried to repeat it before we had vaccines or other measures to help against COVID-19) during outbreaks of disease or plague. I think our prophet understood this both as a Prophet AND as a Doctor. I think he also understood that where ever a group of Saints gather (whether it is in a family or a ward) it can be considered a gathering of Saints as per the Scriptures, and that from these we can gather strength. In this we also were prepared with a program which could be utilized individually, as families, or as wards (Come Follow Me). It is probable that the ailments and diseases put upon us in these Latter-days are products of the Adversary meant to hinder the work of the Lord, but I think that the work of the Lord will progress regardless. Did Covid-19 make complications for us? Absolutely! However, the servants of the Lord had ways which still helped us progress (broadcasts of Sacrament meetings, the Come Follow Me program, etc). In the end I feel they felt that LIVES and SAVING physical lives were important things to do. I heard MANY that put down the Prophet and some of the apostles for trying to ensure the health and welfare of the Saints at that time, and it does not amuse me. I do not know what you meant by what you stated, but there are things that come to mind simply because there are those that say the Church is important and needful, and then in the same breath try to destroy the leaders of the Church and their policies due to the actions taken during Covid-19 to save lives and preserve health. I feel you must be talking about some other item regarding COVID-19 (perhaps those who spoke against the prophet and insisted that murder, bloodshed, and killing their fellow saints were acceptable "sacrifices" so that they could meet and infect others ...perhaps that's the idiocy that you are referring to, though I'm not sure how that relates to the importance of Saints meeting each week in that light) and idiocy...but I do not know what exactly you mean. Hopefully you will explain what you meant by Covid Idiocy (in a fashion that speaks HIGHLY of the Prophet and the Apostles and the actions they took to help use overcome as well as preserve those vulnerable among us at that time. Perhaps you could also be referring to how the Prophet wore a mask not only as protection, but as an example to us and also got vaccinated to show us what we should be doing as we care for ourselves and our fellow men as the wise choice, and those who were trying to tell us to do the opposite of what the Prophet was showing and telling us to do as being the idiots?).
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  13. JohnsonJones

    Trump 2024?

    As someone around that age myself (well, somewhere in that range perhaps, maybe NOT quite his age yet...thankfully) I can understand a momentary lapse in thought. He walks as someone of his age as well. I think McConnell has also had some of this recently affecting him. It comes with the territory. If someone thinks that it means I can no longer work at the university or do research...I'll just say they are wrong. I may be getting older but I'm not dead yet.
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  14. Two things spring to mind from this reading. Firstly there are references to the salvation of individuals (like in 6:4) which are by no means common is the Old Testament. (I know this is not the Old Testament, but it does belong to the world of the OT.) In the OT, the emphasis is much more on "salvation" on a national level - the restoration of Israel as a nation. (Though i suspect we all see the vicissitudes of Israel as a metaphor for those of our individual lives.) I wonder how people of that period would have interpreted the phrase "...I may persuade men to come unto the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, and be saved". Would they have seen this like Christians today (conservative Christians at least) as "going to Heaven after we die" because there is no strong tradition of this revealed in the Old Teatament? Another thing is the very powerful imagery of Lehi's vision - particularly the "iron rod". No matter how dark and misty the way seems, so long as you are holding the iron rod you know you are going the right way. It is a very comforting picture, especially in dark times. Knowing that there is something strong like iron to anchor us when everything around us is in a whirl of confusion.
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  15. This is an interesting point. As Joseph Smith stated, some things that are not allowed at one point are allowed and even encouraged at other times. I think this is the case here. As Alma stated: 12:26 And now behold, if it were possible that our first parents could have gone forth and partaken of the tree of life they would have been forever miserable, having no preparatory state; and thus the plan of redemption would have been frustrated, and the word of God would have been void, taking none effect. Eating of the tree of life at that point would have brought damnation upon Adam and Eve because they were not ready for it. It is the atonement of Jesus Christ that makes the fruit sweet. And that could not have happened unless Adam and Eve were expelled from their paradise and set the plan of salvation in motion. The tree Lehi saw was the post-fall tree of life with it's fruit ripened by the love of God.
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  16. pam

    Disney wokeness

    The way I see it....any dent is a good dent.
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  17. Ironhold

    Religion is Good

    How these two people worked was that they saw their doctorates as shields of invulnerability. In their mind, no one who had less than a master's had the right to even speak to them, and only those who had doctorates like they did could even think about posing questions. It didn't matter what the topic was; they had a doctorate, they were all-knowing, and everyone else was to kiss their ring after the lecture was over. For obvious reasons, they were quick to get upset when people did ask questions, and had full-blown tantrums when confronted with contradictory evidence that they couldn't refute. The social sciences major actually cussed out an entire internet forum when multiple people there with various areas of expertise and credentials all agreed that a study which backed up her bigotry was too fundamentally flawed for the results to be trustworthy. How dare anyone so affront her view of the world, and how dare anyone in academia not automatically take her side. The minister? His entire portfolio boiled down to six or seven arguments against the church, arguments like "Since Joseph Smith didn't have a degree in such-and-such language what gave him the right to try and translate anything?". These people had the sheets of paper to say they were supposed to be smart and wise, but hard reality said that they were incredibly foolish and could only serve as poor examples.
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  18. LDSGator

    Disney wokeness

    Yup. They’ll never be able to see it for themselves but those who worship AOC are the same person as those who worship the MAGA cult. It’s all about who you hate, not the conservative/liberal values they apparently love. Sadly, hate always turns inward.
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  19. LDSGator

    Disney wokeness

    Same, but it’s become a conservative litmus test. Anyone who dares to like Disney or wear Nikep sneakers isn’t a “real conservative.” Sure it’s a logical fallacy, but who cares? Many many years ago I knew of a leftist who liked punk music but wouldn’t listen to The Ramones because Johnny was a vocal conservative. I thought it was asinine. This is the same thing on a larger scale.
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  20. Lehi had probably just eatten:
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  21. prisonchaplain

    Trump 2024?

    Nothing bad comes from donuts. Some of us do develop a bit of "tactical girth" however. 😉
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