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I regret getting into a Facebook conversation on the topic. I felt I was focused and fair, just wanting to ask questions about different perspectives.
Won't make that mistake again.
Apparently I'm just one of those evil Mormons.

Well, I've finally determined that "Facebook" is the "court of public opinion".
 
I know that if everyone was sitting in a room, that we'd be more cordial and polite about each other's beliefs than what I'm seeing on Facebook lately.
 
So... I've decided to delete my account. 
I'm tired of debate without results. 
I'm tired of judgment being passed without an OUNCE of understanding our doctrines or of the legal consequences of such decisions. 
I'm tired of "pointless" defending of my faith when it doesn't matter.
And I'm tired of having to hear about little details about my faith or my church and somehow, it's up to everyone else to talk about how "wrong" or "evil" it is.
 
So, I'm simply abdicating my position from the debates.  There's nothing in the scriptures that says that you HAVE to debate with people in order to be a good example of the faith.
 
Yes, I can debate and teach the doctrinal points of our doctrines... but I don't have to.  And I choose not to be baited into these things anymore.

Well, I've finally determined that "Facebook" is the "court of public opinion".
 
I know that if everyone was sitting in a room, that we'd be more cordial and polite about each other's beliefs than what I'm seeing on Facebook lately.
 
So... I've decided to delete my account. 
I'm tired of debate without results. 
I'm tired of judgment being passed without an OUNCE of understanding our doctrines or of the legal consequences of such decisions. 
I'm tired of "pointless" defending of my faith when it doesn't matter.
And I'm tired of having to hear about little details about my faith or my church and somehow, it's up to everyone else to talk about how "wrong" or "evil" it is.
 
So, I'm simply abdicating my position from the debates.  There's nothing in the scriptures that says that you HAVE to debate with people in order to be a good example of the faith.
 
Yes, I can debate and teach the doctrinal points of our doctrines... but I don't have to.  And I choose not to be baited into these things anymore.

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Well, I've finally determined that "Facebook" is the "court of public opinion".
 
I know that if everyone was sitting in a room, that we'd be more cordial and polite about each other's beliefs than what I'm seeing on Facebook lately.
 
So... I've decided to delete my account. 
I'm tired of debate without results. 
I'm tired of judgment being passed without an OUNCE of understanding our doctrines or of the legal consequences of such decisions. 
I'm tired of "pointless" defending of my faith when it doesn't matter.
And I'm tired of having to hear about little details about my faith or my church and somehow, it's up to everyone else to talk about how "wrong" or "evil" it is.
 
So, I'm simply abdicating my position from the debates.  There's nothing in the scriptures that says that you HAVE to debate with people in order to be a good example of the faith.
 
Yes, I can debate and teach the doctrinal points of our doctrines... but I don't have to.  And I choose not to be baited into these things anymore.

Just share this on your facebook page:  https://www.facebook.com/christine.mcknight.5/posts/1069435566430706

 

A name and a blessing ordinance requires authority by one with the keys (the bishop). Otherwise it counts about as much as me calling that one time when I was a kid and dunked my younger sister in the pool a baptism.

D&C 68:25
And again, inasmuch as parents have children in Zion, or in any of her stakes which are organized, that teach them not to understand the doctrine of repentance, faith in Christ the Son of the living God, and of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of the hands, when eight years old, the sin be upon the heads of the parents.
 
Matthew 10:34-37
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

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Just in case anyone is getting hung up on the word 'apostate':
 
a·pos·tate
NOUN
a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
synonyms: dissenter · defector · deserter · traitor · backslider 
ADJECTIVE
abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
 
It is the correct term to use, just like the term 'alien' is the correct term for those who are not citizens of a country, no matter what Gov. Jerry Brown thinks.
 
a·li·en
ADJECTIVE
belonging to a foreign country or nation.
NOUN
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living:
"an illegal alien"

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Just in case anyone is getting hung up on the word 'apostate':
 
a·pos·tate
NOUN
a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
synonyms: dissenter · defector · deserter · traitor · backslider 
ADJECTIVE
abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
 
It is the correct term to use, just like the term 'alien' is the correct term for those who are not citizens of a country, no matter what Gov. Jerry Brown thinks.
 
a·li·en
ADJECTIVE
belonging to a foreign country or nation.
NOUN
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living:
"an illegal alien"

Just share this on your facebook page:  https://www.facebook.com/christine.mcknight.5/posts/1069435566430706

 

Just in case anyone is getting hung up on the word 'apostate':
 
a·pos·tate
NOUN
a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
synonyms: dissenter · defector · deserter · traitor · backslider 
ADJECTIVE
abandoning a religious or political belief or principle.
 
It is the correct term to use, just like the term 'alien' is the correct term for those who are not citizens of a country, no matter what Gov. Jerry Brown thinks.
 
a·li·en
ADJECTIVE
belonging to a foreign country or nation.
NOUN
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living:
"an illegal alien"

D&C 68:25
And again, inasmuch as parents have children in Zion, or in any of her stakes which are organized, that teach them not to understand the doctrine of repentance, faith in Christ the Son of the living God, and of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of the hands, when eight years old, the sin be upon the heads of the parents.
 
Matthew 10:34-37
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

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When you value a religious belief OVER performing the current job duties you were hired to do... then that employee is in violation of their employer/employee contract.
 
That employee should go look for work elsewhere, or become comfortable being uncomfortable.
 
There's no problem hiring a vegetarian to do the work of a butcher... unless they refuse to touch meat after being hired.  Every vegetarian on these cooking competition shows still handle meat and cook with it.  If they were so against meat that they couldn't compete, don't go on the show.
 
 
Now, the only difference is the context.  The job description CHANGED on these county clerks while they were in the office of serving the public.  And that is where the difference lies:  their job is to serve the public and carry out their duties according to the law.

First, your husband isn't here posting... you are.  Therefore, YOU are who we can communicate with, not your husband.
 
You've sure got it tough - choosing to be so critical, judgmental, and vindictive of your husband.  So much that it's probably a bigger cancer in your marriage than your husband's use of pornography.
 
My recommendation:  Go see a marriage counselor by yourself... and talk about how YOU are dealing with this problem.  You don't have to own your husband's problem.  That part is not your fault.  You have to own how you're dealing with the problem.
It *seems* as though pornography in a marriage feels like it's a 'free pass' to criticize a spouse's righteousness... as though such criticism helps anyone.  Yes, lots of talks and articles about the dangers of pornography.  But... there isn't much about how a spouse should be HELPFUL and not give in to FEAR.
 
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

D&C 1:24-28
No one ever said that a prophet will always be perfect in all ways and in all things.
I have personally come to understand that the phrase "a Prophet will never lead the Church astray" means that the Prophet will never lead or teach the members of the Church to sin and to not follow Christ.
Yes, there have been many errors that have been repudiated. But that doesn't mean that the past Presidents of the Church were intentionally misleading members through "false doctrines".
Consider these statements of past leaders of the church. (It appears that I may have found your quote.)
“I make no claim of infallibility.”
Spencer W. Kimball, Improvement Era, June 1970, p. 93
“We make no claim of infallibility or perfection in the prophets, seers, and revelators.”
James E. Faust, Ensign, November 1989, p. 11
“The First Presidency cannot claim, individually or collectively, infallibility.”
George Q. Cannon Gospel Truth: Discourses and Writings of President George Q. Cannon, 1957, 1:206
“We respect and venerate” (the prophet), but “we do not believe that his personal views or utterances are revelations from God.”
Elder Charles W. Penrose, Millennial Star, 54:191
“Even the President of the Church has not always spoken under the direction of the Holy Ghost.”
Elder J. Reuben Clark, quoted in Faithful History: Essays on Writing Mormon History, p. 82
“…if He (God) should suffer him (Joseph Smith) to lead the people astray, it would be because they ought to be led astray…it would be because they deserved it…”
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 4:297-298
“The First Presidency have of right a great influence over this people; and if we should get out of the way and lead this people to destruction, what a pity it would be! How can you know whether we lead you correctly, or not? Can you know by any other power than that of the Holy Ghost? I have uniformly exhorted the people to obtain this living witness each for themselves; then no man on earth can lead them astray.”
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 6:100
“I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation…Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not.”
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 14:205
“Individual members are encouraged to independently strive to receive their own spiritual confirmation of the truthfulness of Church doctrine. Moreover, the Church exhorts all people to approach the gospel not only intellectually but with the intellect and the spirit, a process in which reason and faith work together.”
Official Church web site The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

“The Lord uses imperfect people…He often allows their errors to stand uncorrected. He may have a purpose in doing so, such as to teach us that religious truth comes forth “line upon line, precept upon precept” in a process of sifting and winnowing similar to the one I know so well in science.”
Henry Eyring, Reflections of a Scientist, p. 47
“There are exceptions to some rules. For example, we believe the commandment is not violated by killing pursuant to a lawful order in an armed conflict. But don’t ask me to give an opinion on your exception. I only teach general rules. Whether an exception applies to you is your responsibility. You must work that out individually between you and the Lord.”
Elder Dallin H. Oaks, Ensign, June 2006, p. 16
“I teach the people correct principles, and they govern themselves.”
Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, 10: 57-58
“We are all liable to error; are subject, more or less, to the errors incident to the human family. We would be pleased to get along without these errors, and many may think that a man in my standing ought to be perfect; no such thing.”
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 10:212
“Sometimes traditions, customs, social practices, and personal preferences of individual Church members may, through repeated or common usage be misconstrued as Church procedures or policies. Occasionally, such traditions, customs and practices may even be regarded by some as eternal principles.”
Elder Ronald Poelman, 1984 General Conference
“Forget everything I have said, or what…Brigham Young…or whomsoever has said… that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.”
Elder Bruce R. McConkie, CES Conference, August 1978
“We set up assumptions, based on our best knowledge, but can go no further. We should remember that when inspired writers deal with historical incidents they relate that which they have seen or that which may have been told them, unless indeed the past is opened to them by revelation.”
Elder John A. Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, p. 127
“I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the Saints prepared to receive the things of God; but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God, will fly to pieces like glass as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions.”
Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 331

I think a background check should be a requirement for working with primary and youth... regardless of scouting-related or not.

I found myself wondering how you got the authority to decide when he has repented or not?   (It's a rhetorical question, and not meant unkindly.). 
 
As to your question.  You don't have to trust.  You simply have to let go of being his enforcer, critic, decider of worthiness.   And if you are concerned that dh is less than truthful with the bishop or his bishop just doesn't understand how important this is to FIX him and hold him accountable, then prayer for both of them regularly and fast regularly for both of them.  
 
If you turn your energy to living as close to how your Heavenly Parents and Savior intend for you to live, you'll become better able to see other's sins without personalizing them to yourself.  You'll have more joy, whether or not your dh is or does what you believe he should.   And that may be more of the beacon of light and hope and goodness that will also bless the lives of dh and your children.
 
The world is full of critics, who remind us of our flaws and sins and failures. Few of us get the desire and ability to be all we can be from them.

I think a background check should be a requirement for working with primary and youth... regardless of scouting-related or not.

I don't get it:
 
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-re-evaluating-scouting-program
 
Just two weeks ago, they put THIS one out:
 
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-comments-on-boy-scouts-of-america-resolution-on-adult-leader-standards
 
 
The way I understood everything was that as long as the chartering organizations can choose to appoint whom they wish, consistent with their values, there would be no conflict.
 
Whatever.  I'm fine with whatever decision, but I wish they would be clear in what they intend.  To me, this new release sounds childish because they didn't hold the vote for a convenient time for LDS leaders... yet it didn't seem that there would be a conflict based on the standards being left with chartering organizations.
 
I just find this odd.

I suppose I just wish they would've made this decision before the new cub scout program went into effect this past June.  Would've saved a lot of time, effort, and money.  (I'm the Asst. Webelos DL, Cub Master, and Den Chief District Trainer.)

Yet committing adultery in your heart is a far cry from committing adultery in your bedroom. Jesus drew no absolute moral equivalency between lust, however ugly, and adultery. The effect of the former on your soul may be reminiscent of the latter, but it's the difference between getting a deep cut on your finger and slicing off your hand. At least, that's my reading of it.
 
(Scriptural reference is Matthew 5:27-28)