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  1. Wearing something that is going to give you vitamin D deficiency or rickets/osteoarthritis is over-kill. Fearing to expose your arms and legs for the sake of morality is sad...vitamin D helps your immune system throughout life. It's tied to muscle power in girls. It has anti-cancer effects. It protects your heart. Lack of vitamin D is linked to weight gain and stunted growth and can up your chances of diabetes. Caesarian sections are more common in women with vitamin D deficiency etc.

    40% of young children do not get enough vitamin D and one in 7 teens is vitamin D deficient. That means that on x-rays their bones will show a lack of density...the damage is already done.

    Sun cancer however is very unattractive. Swimming shirts with uv protection make good sense for both guys and gals. When spending large amounts of time out in the sun when the uv is high good sense should apply to all. At other times, clothing should expose the arms and legs to sunlight.

    Quite frankly...some perceptions of modesty sacrifice people's health. Guys/men need to cover up when swimming (cancer) and girls/women don't need to wear long skirts (bone density, osteo and such).

    Sexually repressed men from having to cover up their chests and slutty girls from not covering up ... um like of course...guys problems stem from wearing too much clothing and girls from not wearing enough.... soooo ; )...all you'd have to do to cure a porn addiction is fix up your wardrobe.

    Moderation in all things. I will note that now research is showing that sunbathing, or just getting sun exposure, reduces blood clots. Sunlight can also reduce harmful bacteria and fungal growths on your skin.

  2. To be fair cops don't write the laws they just enforce them. Take it being illegal to send nude pictures of yourself if you are a minor up with the legislators.

    True, I should have been more clear -- the ones who are to blame are the law enforcement officials, not the average cop. They are the ones who can determine intent or not yet sometimes act out of control if given a little power.

    Look, people had better be very careful what they want here -- under the laws some on this forum like to say they'd like to nail teens with who take naked pictures of themselves and then, in some cases, send copies to their boy friend or girlfriend you too (at least many of you) could be prosecuted.

    Do you have pictures of your underage kids naked? Yes, if the law merely says it's illegal to have a picture of a naked under-18 person then watch out. My advice -- take all these pics and burn them now, lest someone with a grudge reports you.

    Also, I know of kids who sent pics to their cousin, asd she sent pics back, and these 7 year olds were only in underwear (no tops). They thought it was cute but hey, maybe they should be hauled in for making and distributing child porn -- can't start too soon after all.

    I also know a guy who has naked picks from when he and some friends were 16 and on a nature thing. He is now 21. Technically, if the storm troopers raid his house, he possesses child porn, right? Hey, let's not worry about logic or intent.

    Remember, this insanity can devolve into the whole satanic ritual abuse hysteria of the 80s if people let it. Arresting a teen for having a picture of themselves naked, which is technically a violation of the law, is downright insane.

  3. Good for Canada.

    Today a 14 year old girl was arrested in New Jersey for sending nude pictures of herself over her cell phone. She wanted her boyfriend to see them. So did everyone else. What's wrong with kids today. I teach in an alternative school. You should hear some of the stories.

    Yeh, seems like the cops in Canada have their heads on straight and the cops in the USA have their heads up (self censoring here).

  4. Modesty doesn't changed. That doesn't make sense. modesty is modesty. The principles of modesty don't change. Even angels wore/wear long garments covering arms and legs.

    Society determines what is and isn't modest. If you go to a public beach in Brazil and wear a thong bikini that is totally okay but generally toplessness is frowned upon. In Sweden, it is perfectly okay to go topless on a beach but there's an unwritten law, so to speak, that you can lay there topless but it's not kosher to walk around or play a sport topless. In Germany? Well, you get it.

    So if I talk about the term "modesty" each of these cultures will be more liberal than the USA yet people will still register a concept in their minds of what modesty is. So all cultures have the concept, but the norms built up over many years will determine the interpretation of specifics.

    Let's just take the piercing thing for instance. Back in the 1970s the only people who would have piercings would be gay guys (can't remember if it's left or right ear lobe), strippers and biker chicks. So in those days if someone said they wanted a piercing people would have associated it with fringe behaviors connected to people involved in these sorts of activities. The practice, for some reason, jumped out of these groups and became popular with the punkers and to a certain degree grungers and then got fashionable with the general, usually young, population. Now you find even older middle age mothers going in with their daughters, or even grand-daughters, and getting a nose, navel or multiple ear peircing (not to mention other places so I won't mention that). So now if someone under (40 or 50) hears that pircings is not modest in their mind's eye they get images of full body tatooed people with starnge piercings -- not the more standard ones. In a couple of decades piercing may be so mainstream that the Church does it's best to ignore it ever said anythng about it or it could be so out of fashion that it gives people shudders to think about it.

  5. Truth is, I have always liked the looks of suspenders on a well dressed man... a crisp, heavily starched, cleanly pressed white shirt, a snazzy silk tie, suspenders, black pants with shinny patten leather shoes.... mmmmm! I've suggested to my hubby that he wear suspenders, only to receive a blank stare in return.

    Someone should alert Church Headquarters... they need to issue a "suggestion" that men should not wear them, as they cause women to have impure thoughts.


    Sounds an awful lot like the outfits worn in "A Clockwork Orange".:eek:

  6. Part of the point is that we have been counseled by our prophet to dress modestly, including not wearing revealing swimwear, and not having multiple piercings. Those things in an of themselves may or may not be sins, but when our prophet directs us, and we disobey, I daresay that is a sin.

    I am not sure about this. If we are given a doctrine, and we go against it then that may indeed be a sin but if we are given advice, and we do something else, I don't think that is a sin -- or else all the Mormons, and there must have been thousands in California, that voted against Prop. 8 were sinning. I think they were mistaken, but they were not sinning.

    Just today, a friend of mine asked me if I thought the picture she sent me in my e-mail wold be a good tatoo desingn for her to get. I didn't like the picture so I said I would look around the net and send her some pics that I thought would better reflect her personality. Am I sinning? Now, if by the slim chance she decided to get it, and even asked me to be there when she got it, would I be sinning if I accepted?:cool:

    And I repeat myself here -- if wearing a two piece for a woman, or going shirtless if you are a man, is sinful then why don't male and female LDS models, actors and actresses get into trouble when they appear in photo-shoots shirtless or in a bikini?

  7. I really hope you're joking because that is not why we are here. Does all that stuff matter int he end, healthcare and education? sure it matters while we are here, but to those souls who do not have the opportunity to have a body who have to wait..... that's what matters the most

    In the same vein as "A Modest Proposal" of course I am not seriosly proposing this. MOE invoked cost into the debate and "quality of life" so if that's where we want to take this issue (and ignore moral and religious concerns) then the logical next step may involve what the Spartans did.

  8. Yes, the infant may be able to survive birth, but at what cost? Technology is such now that a fetus of 28 weeks gestational age has a good chance at surviving birth, but only with extreme medical intervention. So is aborting a 27 week fetus the same as aborting a 34 week fetus? How do you factor in quality of life?

    My point is that reality is a lot more complex than the phrase "abortion is murder." And while I agree that abortion is wrong and I would like to see them only performed in rare and extreme circumstances, I'm not sure putting the act in a category requiring punitive action is a wise thing to do.

    So by what criteria can we judge the Spartans who terminated infants who were not fit enough and stong enough to meet their demanding expectations in eugenics? I mean, if we adopted such a system think of all the money our health care system and education system could save.

  9. Actually caffeine in the long run makes ADD worse. It's because that over time you build up tolerance to the caffeine so you have to consome more and more of it in order for it to have the same effect. It also reduces blood flow to the brain. The problem with ADD is that there is not enough blood flow to the prefrontal cortex of the brain, that's the front part, when the person with ADD tries to concentrate. In a normal person blood flow increases during concentration tasks in that part of the brain, in the ADD person it decreases. So the problem with ADD is that there's not enough blood flow to the brain, but caffeine decreases blood flow to the brain. Therefore caffeine is not beneficial to anyone who has ADD. While yes, in small, infrequent amounts caffeine can be beneficial as Mahone has described, but someone with ADD needs consistent, constant help. That is something caffeine can not help with. Milk chocolate should be the extent of caffeine consumption in a person with ADD.

    Strange, I was not aware that neuroscience had even conclusively pinpointed any physiological mechanism responsible for ADD. Guess all the medical and psychological expert who even question the basic premise of ADD just aren't very informed.:rolleyes:

    By the way, you can't be on ritalin and compete in the Olympics becaue it is a banned substance.

  10. Anyone take any of the LDS quizes for fun on Facebook? Just took one and scored "Mature Mormon" even though I did choose the "vacation day!" answer for "How do you view stake conference Sunday?" for one of the multiple choise questions.

    Any other results for this or related quizes?

  11. Edited by moderator: Please try to stay somewhat on topic without disgusting the rest of us.

    Say what? I was merely making a reference to a very popular TV program which an active LDS actor was featured without a shirt and describing some of the plot. Would it have been different if it were an LDS actress with a bikini? Wasn't one of the Baywatch girls LDS? How about that play with Donny Osmond?

    If wearing, or not wearing, an outfit on TV or stage is not something that church officials are going to jump on you for then how can wearing a bikini at the beach something you should feel ashamed of as if it were a "sin"?

    Now I admit that someone should not be punished for wanting to be less revealing either. Swedish swimmer Therese Alshammar was disqualified from a record performance by the International Swimming Federation for wearing suits under her official skin tight competition suit. They claimed it might allow for extra boyancy and that you can wear a bikini bottom underneath (not top) while she claimed the official suits are too thin and she wanted more modesty. I also beleive there was a Muslim woman swimmer somewhere in the USA who wanted to wear a suit covering her whole body but that was also against the rules. Oh well.

  12. The problem is always the problem, my Bishop often says.

    What I tried to say is that regardless of the extent of the pornography problem, it is an addiction just like any other. The fact that it made the headlines only points to the political motivations and that, likely, it is garbage data collection called "research." Just like drug and alcohol addictions, we are not sure about the rate of incidence. The brethren are as concern about pornography among the members of the Church as they are about divorce which is much higher in terms of statistics.

    They should be way more concerned about divorce since, if we were to use a morbidity analogy divorce is as dangerous to family life as a head on car wreck without seat belts while porn is more a fender bender resulting in whip lash.

  13. [uote]FWIW, too, Iran is basically sandwiched between two huge American armies right now (in Iraq to the west and Afghanistan to the east). Anyone could be forgiven a little paranoia under those circumstances.

    The thing WE should be worried about is a state that funds terrorism as well as spreads a form of Islam that preaches world domination and subjugation of all peoples under Sharia law -- that country is Saudi Arabia.

    The Talibans in Afghanistan and Wazeristan hate the Shia populations of Iraq and Iran. Why do you tink they target suicide bombers against the Shia in Iraq so much? If Afghanistan falls back tothe Taliban Iran has as much to fear as we do.

  14. I think this is one time I must respectfully disagree with you, Fiannan.

    Jimmy bent over backwards to kiss their hindquarters and look where it got us. Iran has no intention of ever becoming friendly with us, their entire philosophy is based on their version of Islam dominating the world and will use any means to accomplish that end.

    I have known many Iranians and every one of them hate Jimmy Carter to the core. Of course, they are the ones who got out after Carter undercut the Shah even though the US was responsible for putting him in.

  15. not necessarily...notice the conjunction. Freud is only a resource for the sexually preoccupied who feel they need an excuse to think about sex more often. There are plenty of people who are perfectly capable of being obsessed with sex without any excuse at all (much like myself)

    In a society totally pre-occupied with sex it is ironic that so many people are in denial about Freud's observations.

  16. What's funny (or sad) is the news media is just now realizing what Iran is really all about...

    Iran's response to US shows mind-set of leadership - Yahoo! News

    The Iranian government has it's problems but then again the USA has a long and tarnished history in regards to Iran and perhaps they want to see some real change in attitude and laws before they will trust "Mr. Change" any more than they trusted Bush.

    Iran dismisses US overture as ‘a slogan’ - Times Online