Fiannan

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  1. Big Love really got me interested in LDS. Without it I wonder if I would have wanted to write a paper on polygamy and later start reading the book of mormon.

    A friend of mine has kind of lost her initial interest in investigating the Church but she said she was asked in a university class to write a paper on something that is socially out-of-the-norm but would actually benefit society. I suggeested polygamy and she went for it. At least now she's talking about church stuff again with me.

    I had a visitor in my sunday school class who really loved the show because it introduces people to many LDS prinicples and terms and at the same time de-mystifies polygamy and makes it more normal (therefore making the Gospel in total easier to accept). Remember, God works in mysterious ways.:)

  2. Mock away. Every modern psychologist will be standing with you when you do it. Freud has become a joke except to those who have a preoccupation with sex and feel like they need an excuse to think about it more often.

    Then he must be a icon in the state of Utah -- at least according to all my friends who have joked to me about the on-line subscription thing!:D

  3. The tricky thing about this is there is no hard legal line between just nude and pornography:

    And that's the danger -- some teen takes a pic of him/herself or friends at the beach (assuming they might be nude or topless in a hypothetical case) and sends the pic to a friend then they are:

    A) Just showing a friend the fun time they had at the beach, or

    B) Guilty of the creation and distribution of child pornography.

    In my opinion, unless said teen is asking for money for the pictures, or is engaging in a pose that suggests, or actually shows, a sexual context then there should be no legal actions allowed against the person.

  4. Fiannan? You quote Freud way too often. He was a misogynistic misanthrope who was seriously wrong on almost everything he said. He was offensive and dumb, but here are some more quotes from your hero:

    People claim that about Brigham Young -- the ones who don't know what he taught all that well.

    America is a mistake, a giant mistake.

    Sigmund Freud

    America is the most grandiose experiment the world has seen, but, I am afraid, it is not going to be a success.

    Sigmund Freud

    2008 general election:D

    I have found little that is "good" about human beings on the whole. In my experience most of them are trash, no matter whether they publicly subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine or to none at all. That is something that you cannot say aloud, or perhaps even think.

    Sigmund Freud

    Kinda sounds Old Testament haha

    Not to mention his innumerable anti-religion and anti-God sentences. I'm just... I'm frankly amazed that you quote him in your quotes, as if he's some type of authority.

    His insights into human behavior were remarkable and it doesn't matter what his religious views were (he was quite hostile to his father and his father was a devout Jew). One has to sift through what seems plausable and what isn't.

  5. From a legal standpoint possession of the material is against the law, regardless of the intent. Sexually explicit material is legal as long as it does not involved minors. The same as in sexual behavior.

    The famous statue of David needs to be included then. Since David was under the age of 18 when he slew Golaith then it depicts a naked teenager (under 18 at that).

    If we throw out intent then let's go all the way with it then.

  6. Too much to respond to Fiannan, good post BTW.

    I know this doesn't happen in all instances, but sometimes women who live in close quarters (i.e. same household) will get their period at the same time. Imagine two (or more) women, with the mean & grouchy PMS, going through it at the same time, under the same roof. Now that's not worth dealing with.

    One can wonder why that is. Perhaps if a woman ovulates at the same time anotehr wife does then that makes childrearing easier as they can switch off feeding the children, etc. Hard to say.

    Besides, if they did have grouchy-style PMS then maybe that's the time the husband can have some time for himself and go fishing with his buddies. Not sure if this is in the Bible or just part of Talmudic Judaism but there were time periods in the month where men were not to be around women (depending on her biological sycle). Could that be associated with his health rather than his wife or wives?:D

  7. There is a reason that polygamy doesn't work, and I want you men to consider this: Do you REALLY want to deal with more than one wife PMS-ing and taking it out on you and each other??? Really??? I know some men like the idea of catfights, but I think that would get really old really fast. There is also the issue of jealousy. Women are jealous creatures. Again, while some men might relish the thought of two or more women fighting over them, it would get old.

    So would that be the case? I am not sure of this but then again multiple households could decrease this.

    The sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman was established in the Garden of Eden.

    After they left, is there any evidence polygamy did not exist -- either Adam marrying some of his daughters or his sons marrying more than one of their sisters?

    In Exodus, when Moses was explaining the 10 Commandments, there was no mention made of plural marriage; it had become something practiced by the heathens, with whom the Jews were not to associate... even though they did eventually.

    Actually, Jews recognize that women were not condemned for coveting another woman's husband because it was assumed from the 10 Commandments that polygamy was allowed. In the Mosaic Law there are instances it is commanded.

    Every New Testament gospel speaks of the relationship between husbands and wives, and further outlines the Commandments, prohibiting divorce and further condemning adultery.

    Polygamy is not adultery.

    Paul's letters further outline the marriage relationship. Again, no mention of plural marriage.

    And some people actually feel Paul advocated a position that celibasy was superior to marriage and family which could not be further from the truth.

    In the book of Jacob, it is called a "whoredom."

    The way it was abused, yes...just like one can abuse any practice or blessing.

    Granted, I also know the loophole that that same book (Jacob) presents. If the Lord reveals that polygamy is necessary for the promulgation of His Church, then okie dokie. However, Wilford Woodruff revealed in 1890 that polygamy was no longer necessary to further the efforts of the Church.

    Now did he exactly say that?

    And, in its earliest and purest form, men had to be called of God by the Prophet himself to participate in plural marriage.

    So here you admit polygamy can be pure and in the Bible it wasn't?

    How then, can anyone say that they are called to practice plural marriage? People are excommunicated for that now.... why would anyone want to risk being cut off from the true Church and all its blessings for a lifetime of heartache having to provide physically, emotionally and spiritually for more than one woman? IF you pick the right one, guys, one is definitely enough, and probably at times, more than you can handle.

    Kate

    Who is advocating it in opposition to the current church policy of discontinuation until further notice? The purpose of the thread is to show how odd it is that this form of family arrangement is okay nowadays but something that IS in accordance with the scriptures (polygamy) isn't.

    And why shouldn't grown adults be able to choose their family arrangements? There are many types of people in this world and so if there are women willing to share a husband and if there are men willing to have more than one family then what of it?

  8. Interesting stories. The one about the double twins who are actually quads was really neat. (Oh and it's not a British couple...they're from Riverside, CA...it's just covered by British press.)

    Opps, my mistake.:)

    I wonder why polygamist males don't just claim that all the women in their marriage are really lesbians and they are just the full time donor? Then society today would be all supportive.:D

  9. Strange...the other day I was channel surfing and I came across a Chinese movie showing a bunch of naked boys in the PE changing rooms all focused on each other's...well, you know.

    Now this was not a porn movie in any respect but if one of these teens had a copy of this film would they be charged with possession of child porn?

    If you had two teens whose families both belonged to the same nudist resort, and one of the teens had been sick and couldn't attend his friend's sister's wedding there, so he sent some pics to the other teen, would that constitute spreading child pornography if the group picture had pre-18 year olds featured?

    Just questions for thought.

    As for the sexting thing, come on...if someone sends a nude photo to someone else can't we at least have a legal system that can tell the difference between intent and not as well as examine the context of the photo? There's a huge difference between some teens sending a pic to each other of a local skinny dipping excursion at a local hot spring and showing pics intended for sexual arrousal.

  10. Kinda interesting considering the spin doctors in the White House:

    Obama Officials Sought To Keep AIG Bonuses: Dodd - Financials * US * News * Story - CNBC.com

    and...

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Obama administration special envoy Richard Holbooke was on the American International Group Inc. board of directors in early 2008 when the insurance company locked in the bonuses now stoking national outrage. Holbrooke, a veteran diplomat who is now the administration's point man on Pakistan and Afghanistan, served on the board between 2001 and mid-2008.

    During that period, AIG undertook the aggressive investment strategies that led to a near-collapse and forced a multibillion-dollar federal bailout.

    President Barack Obama has insisted his administration was not responsible for AIG's financial woes, and a White House spokesman said Thursday that Holbrooke was unaware of AIG's decision to award retention bonuses to key employees.

    "Mr. Holbrooke had nothing to do with and knew nothing about the bonuses," spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

    Close to $165 million in bonus money was paid last weekend.

    It remains unclear whether AIG's decision to grant the bonuses ever came before the board. A Holbrooke spokesman declined comment, referring calls to the White House.

    The Associated Press: Obama envoy Holbrooke served on AIG's board

    Change!

  11. See! Some couples in modern society are able to cooperate fully in decisions concerning reproduction:

    FOXNews.com - Iron Chef Cat Cora and Her Lesbian Partner Both Pregnant - Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Arts And Entertainment

    and...

    Lesbian IVF couple who shared eggs and sperm BOTH give birth to twins | Mail Online

    Then again, some couples really need to take a breather and try to come to a mutual decision on family issues:

    Lesbian arrested for allegedly attempting to forcibly inseminate wife with turkey baster | Weird True Freaky | News.com.au

    You know, it's a good thing polygamy is not something that has become mainstreamed yet. That kind of relationship would just be too different!:D

    Oh, and yes I know the Mail Online article is dealing with a British couple but I am sure there's plenty of American couples who could relate to the story as well.

  12. In my mind, this is about two things: The Churchs leadership position on Prop. 8 & money. Tom Hanks is upset because of the Churchs position on Prop. 8, and they have ex mormons on HBO's Big Love Staff who no doubt betrayed the convenants they took. In spite of this, the Church will still march onward and upward. As for Tom Hanks apology, sure he apologized, but he still allowed the writers to use what he knew to be sacred covenants in Sundays Big Love presentation.

    I personally find his apology a little hallow after that. Actions have always spoke louder than words.

    One wonders how Hank's experiences in the LDS Church when he was a child affects the way he sees LDS culture today.

  13. I don't want to get all psychological and all but there are reasons males are attracted to women who are more physically fit -- that is due to the God-given desire to reproduce and one does want a woman who is healthy enough to carry your children as well as pass positive characteristics to them. Humans generally don't recognize this and just think they are attracted to certain physical traits just because they are "hot" but it really all gets down to physiology and psychology.

    Feamels are attracted to males who are healthy as well as have the ability to be able to provide for her offspring. So on dating sites one should know that a woman scans for a man's occupation (or potential) as much as a man scans for physical beauty. That too is rooted in biology since the woman is hindered from providing for herself when she is pregnant and having a strong provider when she has children is an advantage for their survival. Of course some women (generally the ones with a high degree of intelligence) also desire males with a sence of deepness or even novelty but that too is a sign that the male has traits of strength and cleverness that enable him to survive in a competitive world.

    Yes, personality and love do fit in but those are things that must show themselves after the initial attraction has taken place.

  14. Thanks, I do agree, Showing a Temple cermony on tv is very shamefull, cuz it is very scrad!!! Who's next? Cathlics? Or Jews? Every religion has something sacrade, and really should not be touche by Hollywood. It's not secret, but it is very sacrade, we need to keep it so

    I agree. However, Catholics have been the favorite to attack for years now -- fundamentalists come in a close second. Jews tend to avoid this both due to people not wanting to be seen as anti-Semite as well as the tremendous numbers of people in the entertainment industry of at least Jewish heritage.

  15. I am not going to refresh the debate over the American obesity epidemic (being obese does take more years off your life than smoking two packs a day though). In fact, I have seen more elderly people who smoke than elderly people who are obese -- wonder why that is?

    Back to the original topic of this thread. This thread deals with people's preferences. Deep down I suspect women desire a man who has the physical shape (and even looks) of a Pierce Broslin or Daniel Craig. However, if you want a man who keeps in shape then you have to be willing to adopt a similar lifestyle -- otherwise you get the couple where she or he wants to spend two days hiking the Pacific Trail and the spouse can't even manage to hike long on the local bike path. And who should change in that case?

    Now if you want to avoid this problem then if person is athletic then they should aim their dating at athletic people. If one prefers to relax in front of the TV then there's plenty of chubby people out there. No negative judgements are necessary -- it's just good coupling.

  16. I have to agree with Draven. There are a lot of couples out there where a person is married to someone who can't, or won't, share their interests. For example, there are both men and women who are in excellent condition, like athletic stuff or things in the outdoors but their spouse is just not into it or has let their bodies go so they cannot enjoy things like long hiking trips in the woods. Sure, in the ideal world the one who is not in shape would just see that something is missing but often they just don't want to make the effort or they just content themselves with doing their own thing.

    So many a couple cannot share somethng together due to the different views on fitness. That doesn't mean they don't love each other but it is sad when people can't share things that are important in their lives.

    So if someone is in shape and outdoor things are vital to their life then why not do one's best to find someone with the same mental outlook?