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On 4/26/2019 at 5:32 PM, JohnsonJones said:
I suppose some examples of the Mandela effect would be...though this would not encompass everyone, just some people to this effect...
The idea that Lincoln started the Civil War as an official declaration as such over slavery and that originally the Civil War was declared to be about slavery (secession and the original reason Lincoln stated that he started the War are two different items).
George Washington cut down a tree and then told his father about it.
The Great Depression in the US ended because of Roosevelt's reforms in the late 30s. (I would say in some of the definitions used today, the depression actually may have been considered to end earlier...but it's erosion on workforce and other factors lingered far longer meaning the US didn't actually recover for quite some time, most would consider that AFTER 1939).
Hitler committed the greatest genocide in the History of the 20th century with the Holocaust. (The Great Leap Forward probably has that in spades, though for those under Chinese propaganda that do not consider that Genocide...there is also the Generalplan Ost which is more than likely to have been greater than the Holocaust...though there are some that debate this. Holodomor was also pretty bad. Unironically General Plan Ost could also be blamed on Hitler. If one includes GeneralPlan Ost as part of the Holocaust, it qualifies and the Holocaust was the greatest genocide of the 20th century [though the holocaust would then be a generic mass killing rather than focused on a specific wiping out of people]...but ONLY if you disqualify the Great Leap Forward).
I'd say those examples are more historical revisionism than the Mandela Effect.
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And not to be nitpicky, but "Scotty, beam me up" isn't the same as "Beam me up, Scotty."
Kirk never says "Beam me up, Scotty." Not one single time.
People cite it as an example of the Mandela Effect but I don't think it is, because nobody actually remembers him saying it. (Or at most, they think they remember him saying it because they've heard every Trekkie in their circle say it.) It's just that "beam me up, Scotty" is the sort of thing that Kirk would say, so people just assumed he did and ran around making T-shirts about it.
To qualify as a Mandela Effect, it has to be remembered in specific detail and by multiple people. So "Beam me up Scotty" would be Mandela Effect if a lot of people could point to a specific moment in a specific episode when they clearly recall Kirk saying "Beam me up, Scotty" but it's nowhere to be found.
As an example, I've seen a Mandela Effect video or two where the guy claims that a couple of specific verses in the KJV Bible were altered because he remembers them differently.
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The title of this thread made me think of Ahmad ibn Fadlan's prayer at the end of The 13th Warrior.
QuoteMerciful Father, I have squandered my days with plans of many things. This was not among them. But at this moment, I beg only to live the next few minutes well. For all we ought to have thought, and have not thought; all we ought to have said, and have not said; all we ought to have done, and have not done; I pray thee God for forgiveness.
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3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:
Come on, tell us the rest of it. You were the voice actor for the unicorn, right?
2 things I wish about that:
- I WISH they'd used this as the basis for the D&D movie. The actual movie has nothing to do with the D&D cartoon... or the game, for that matter.
- I WISH I was the voice actor who plays that unicorn. His name is Frank Welker. You may know him as Fred from Scooby-Doo, Megatron from the Transformers cartoon, Nibbler from Futurama, or any of hundreds of other tv shows and movies. He's actually the highest paid actor of all time, owing to the sheer volume of work he's done.
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9 minutes ago, Fether said:
Dude, Hercules wrote that song.
Well then it figures, since in the movie he's singing it to his own
heavenlyOlympian father, is he not?
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Ok.
I've been hiding this for too long. I've been living in the closet and it's time to come out, and admit the truth, both to myself and to the world.
*deep breath*
*exhale*
Ok. Here goes...
I like the Dungeons & Dragons movie.
WAIT HEAR ME OUT
I *know* how awful it is. I know how embarrassingly terrible the writing was. I know how cringeworthy the acting was. I know how miserably it represented Dungeons & Dragons as a game and a cultural icon. I know the Director and lead actor were stoned out of their minds when they recorded the commentary, and I know Dave Arneson wasn't actually in the room with them. I know how cheap the sets, the costumes and the props were. I know how derivative some of it was, and I know how utterly mind-numbingly pathetic the VFX of the dragons were.
I know.
It's just... it's just that the movie is just so much fun to laugh at. It's like a drinking game waiting to happen. "Jeremy Irons chews the scenery. Drink!" It's so awful but tries so hard that you can't help but love it... Like the mutant fish with the missing fin in an aquarium. He's not as good as the other fish, and in an actual lake he'd be eaten on his first day... but ya just can't help rooting for the little guy.
Don't get me wrong... I can't promise I'd never punch Courtney Solomon in the mouth for what he did (and is still doing, with the rights battles) to Dungeons & Dragons as a theatrical property... but I just can't make myself hate this expensive little vomit cascade of a movie.
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I like Michael Bolton.
Ever listen to the lyrics to "Go the Distance?" That song could be listened to as a hymn. I'm not kidding. Think about it. "Well done, thou good and faithful servant."
Now read the lyrics with that in mind:
I have often dreamed of a far off place
Where a hero's welcome would be waiting for me
Where the crowds would cheer, when they see my face
And a voice keeps saying this is where I'm meant to beI'll be there someday, I can go the distance
I will find my way if I can be strong
I know every mile would be worth my while
When I go the distance, I'll be right where I belongDown an unknown road to embrace my fate
Though that road may wander, it will lead me to you
And a thousand years would be worth the wait
It might take a lifetime but somehow I'll see it throughAnd I won't look back, I can go the distance
And I'll stay on track, no I won't accept defeat
It's an uphill slope
But I won't loose hope, 'till I go the distance
And my journey is complete, oh yeahBut to look beyond the glory is the hardest part
For a hero's strength is measured by his heart, ohLike a shooting star, I will go the distance
I will search the world, I will face its harms
I don't care how far, I can go the distance
'Till I find my hero's welcome waiting in your armsI will search the world, I will face its harms
'Till I find my hero's welcome waiting in your arms -
Dreams, with the Blue Angels video. Much luvs.
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On 4/23/2019 at 12:14 PM, Mores said:
However, when we're talking about someone with a sufficiently LOW level of technological understanding and a sufficiently LOW level of understanding God, then anything can be mistaken for anything else that one does not understand.
Which is why we have cargo cults.
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4 hours ago, Mores said:
So, apparently, the Easter Bunny has a lot of priors with an arrest record a mile long.
No doubt. he goes on a breaking and entering spree every year.
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48 minutes ago, MormonGator said:
Ironically, when I said we are "losing our sense of humor" something happened last night that showed it perfectly. I posted a light hearted poke at all religions from the Babylon Bee on my Facebook, and someone commented that it was "rude".
It's impossible to be offended by this. If you say you are, you really aren't-you just want attention, are tired, want to play the martyr card, want to show how holy you are, etc. No one can be legitimately offended by this.
So yes, we are losing our sense of humor. Rapidly.
HAY I M OFFENDED BCUZ I M A DM AND I M NOT A SATANIST I DEMAND U TAKE IT DOWN AND U SHULD APOLOGIZE (WICH I WONT ACCEPT ANYWAY) AND U SHULD BE N JAIL BCUZ U R A NAZI
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I was bummed about the Caps, but back to back Stanley Cups is a rare thing. That said, I do wish they'd managed to avoid being eliminated in the very first round.
But it is what it is. As for me, for now... GO AVALANCHE!
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Yeah the tendency to stop pedaling is my son's biggest hurdle, now that I got him to stop leaning to the side and use the steering to correct when he starts to go over. I'm also letting him crash so he's used to dealing with that and won't be afraid. No serious wipe outs. He just gets frustrated.
He's almost got it, we just need to get back to the park... which is more exercise for me too.
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56 minutes ago, Mores said:
How on earth did that become a standard by which we restrict free speech?
"Everybody's a winner!" culture from the '80s/'90s, which has produced a generation whose feelings are so fragile that they consider words to be violence.
..what does that say about them, I wonder, when they think words = violence and so quickly resort to insults, name-calling and attacks. I guess that means they think they're bringing violence upon us. Do you think they're surprised when we don't clutch our wounded chests and fall over dead?
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1 minute ago, Mores said:
I don't see the right pandering to the young much. If you give me an example of one on the right, I can give you 10 on the left.
In this case, I wasn't talking about the right. I was specifically addressing the current phenomenon we're seeing on the left.
1 minute ago, Mores said:Of course it's human nature. And, no, the right is not lily white either. But again, if you give me one example of the right doing these "shenanigans" I'll give you 10 on the left.
Relax, bro. This isn't a "but the right does it too!" defense of the behavior of the contemporary left. Just pointing out the nature of politics.
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34 minutes ago, Mores said:
The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. But a very close second is the level of ignorance coupled with extreme zeal.
I think it's partly hypocrisy, but also partly myopia.
Keep in mind that most of the loudest and most aggressive voices weren't even alive for most of the 90s, nevermind the 80s. To them, it isn't hypocrisy, because they never saw what it was like to be on the other side of cultural sentiment. The pundits and politicians making those noises? They're just pandering to the young. They know what they're doing.
We all, on both sides, have a tendency to be more forgiving of shenanigans that are pointed at the other side and less forgiving of mistakes affecting ours. It's human nature. The more honest and rational among us try to be as objective as we can, but it's still a struggle sometimes.
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7 hours ago, SpiritDragon said:
Sorry I haven't been as active in here to comment sooner. Have you had some great rides?
Great? Nah. But over the weekend I took my kids (and their new bikes) to that local bike trail. Mostly rode around as my son got used to his bike, and then we started practicing to remove his training wheels. I think most of the exercise I got was jogging along beside him.
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16 hours ago, BeccaKirstyn said:
Golden Knights fan. That game last night was unbearable to watch. Don't think we'll be able to to beat the Sharks in Game 7 in their hometown. So my next team are the Caps.
I watched the Stanley Cup series last year and I gotta say, the Golden Knights home games were a lot of fun to watch. I mean, I know it's Vegas. They really know how to put on a show!
Of course, as a Caps fan I wasn't rooting for the GKs but yeah...
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My favorite is the one about Sinbad being in a movie called "Shazam." I was fully convinced of this one myself.
Know where it came from (in my case?)
When I was a kid I watched a cartoon show about a genie, and "shazam" was the magic word you'd say to summon him. He had dark skin.
Later, Shaq did a movie called "Kazam"
Combine these elements into a memory stew, add a dash of years in between, and voila! A false memory of a movie with Sinbad in it called "Shazam!"
What's freaky is how many people share the same false memory... but it's not like my own movie/TV history is unique, so it probably comes form the same place for many people.
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5 hours ago, Jamie123 said:
I'm really curious...does anyone here "remember" Mandela dying in prison?
I think it comes form an article written a while back which stated (inaccurately) that he had died, and even included a photo of the funeral. An error, but a lot of people were led to believe Mandela had died because of it.
I've watched a few videos on YT about the Mandela Effect and it's an amusing phenomenon to talk about. The idea is that it can be explained by one or more of the following:
- They've changed the Matrix, but some of us remember how it was before.
- There's a parallel Earth, and some of us are actually from that alternate world but have been transported to this one. Some variants of this story maintain that on the other Earth, we had a slightly different anatomy and that the Earth itself had slightly different geographical features.
- There's another Earth on the opposite side of the galaxy. Similar to the second item, but it holds that people have been moving back and for the between worlds. It all ended a few years ago when the other Earth was destroyed, meaning no new Mandela Effect differences have been observed since that time.
Fun ideas, to be sure, but man, these people are sure of themselves. Too bad the strongest bit of evidence they are able to come up with is "I'm really really sure it was different before!!!! I remember!"
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2 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:
@unixknight the only reason I know about the UN issue is because we talked about it in my Family Advocacy class. The teacher has been to the UN, several times, I believe, to advocate for family.
I apologize if it seems like I'm being evasive, or flip flopping here..the truth is I'm trying to find middle ground,. I don't want to get into a disagreement about racial issues or LGBTQ issues. That creates tip toeing...
I totally understand, and no I didn't think you were being evasive. 😊
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25 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:
You are right that legislation is a different matter. Sorry, Mores got me sidetracked with the discussion about dog whistling. Thread hijacks happen.
No worries!
25 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:I am very concerned about the dog whistling at the UN that pertains to families. We should not ignore that because it potentially threatens us. We agree on that, right?
I'm inclined to agree with you just based on my respect for you, but I don't know anything about that issue, to be honest. It's something I'll look into.
25 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:The trouble I often see in these discussions (I'm generalizing) is both sides believe they are the ones being threatened. For example, Christian's feel persecuted, but my Atheist friend says they are the ones being persecuted. Religious people feel persecuted by LGBT issues and LGBT people feel persecuted by religious people. I agree that egregious things have happened on both sides. And so on....
True, though I'd add to that by pointing out that it's not all happening at once. For instance, there have been times, historically, where atheists could certainly claim they're being persecuted, and they wouldn't be wrong. I do not believe that to be true today. Similarly, gay people have bene persecuted at some points (and some places) historically and not in others. Again, I think they're overall on top of the social ladder, at least in this part of the world. Meanwhile I wouldn't say that Christians are being persecuted per se, since we still have it way better in this time an din this country than we have in other times and places, but the caveat I would add is that the pendulum was definitely swinging in the direction of Christianity getting stepped on. I think its momentum has slowed over the last couple of years, but it hasn't yet stopped.
25 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:I think for the most part I agree with you about free speech, but I think care must be taken for both sides. No easy answers here (I don't mean you were suggesting that. Just explaining why I'm not emphatically agreeing with you.) I think Better Angels has the right idea, trying to get people together to talk and listen to each other. I think that is a better answer than more legislation. But getting people to listen to each other....well, it seems unlikely.
I agree. At this point I think there's a strong movement to push back against the loss of free speech. We just need to do what we can to help keep it going.
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24 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:
As you pointed out with your work analogy the only person we can change is ourselves. You're talking about pop culture, and making broad generalizations, I'm sharing a real life example..The things we can do something about.
Given that we're seeing legislation in other countries (and an effort to introduce it here) meant to punish people for saying offensive things, and given that's the subject of the thread, of course I'm making generalizations.
We agree that it's better to ignore people being offensive to us if they refuse to stop, right?
Does God Manipulate His Children?
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I think manipulation is more about controlling others without them realizing you're doing it. If I threaten you to do what I want, that's not manipulation because we both know full well what's happening. The same goes for offering incentives, persuasion, etc.
I once heard diplomacy defined as "the art of letting others get your way." I think that description more aptly fits 'manipulation' than 'diplomacy.'