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    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in Temples And Protection   
    I checked my Fire Bible, since the study notes are mostly provided by Pentecostal professors. For Mt 27:51 it references Ex. 26:33 and largely agrees that there is now a way opened into the presence of God--breaking down the separation between God and sinful humanity. Before only the high priest could come into God's presence, and only under strict circumstances. Now that the veil is torn all surrendered souls have full access to God the Father, thanks to Jesus sacrifice.
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    Vort reacted to mordorbund in Temples And Protection   
    Fun fact: because of the symbolism of the temple at the time of Jesus, pre-Restoration women cannot get into heaven. Access is only limited to the ancient high priests đŸ˜Ș.
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    Vort reacted to NeuroTypical in Temples And Protection   
    Well, the temple was destroyed, and then there were no more temples until the 1800's.  So I'd have to say it became like the celestial room in the LDS temple, with the restoration of the Gospel.
    Is there any possible other way to answer the question?
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    Vort reacted to Jonah in Temples And Protection   
    When did the Holy of Holies (restricted to one male High Priest once a year in the Old 
    Testament) become like the celestial room in the LDS temple (where even women are
    allowed to enter several times per year)?
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    Vort got a reaction from Anddenex in Zoramites and Korihor   
    Your words are true, but I suspect they lead to a false paradigm. It sounds like you're saying "Both sides are to blame." This is true in the sense that the guy who drives unsafely and the guy who forcibly rapes women both contribute to the ills of society. But that observation obscures the fact that one of the actors is fundamentally, orders-of-magnitude worse than the other.
    I could spend all day listing out the hypocrisies and outright lies told and done by the Republican Party and even by conservatives in general. But to pretend that that's somehow equivalent to the evils perpetrated on a daily, even hourly, basis by the Democrat Party and the political left is an unabashed falsehood. I think that recognizing and honestly dealing with the failings of "your side" is a worthy exercise, one that is needed for any healthy, moral person or society. But to build false equivalencies between two sides is to doom us to utter failure. I have seen this sort of thing happening for at least half my life, and I'm sure it's been going on far longer than that. It is what has brought us to this point.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Celebrity Doppelganger   
    They say that George Washington may have been the father of America, but Ben Franklin fathered more Americans.
    It's like they say: The Vikings weren't French or English, but the French and English are Vikings. Or as a Mongolian noted, "Mongolians aren't east Asians, but east Asians are all a little bit Mongolian."
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Apartment Hunting   
    This is a true statement. It is also a true statement that most women in our culture seem to prefer men with shaven faces. But yet another true statement is that some women like facial hair. It should also be recognized that a woman can be attracted to a man in spite of his facial hair, and can grow (no pun intended) to accept and even appreciate it.
    But I agree, if your goal is to find a mate and if most potential mates don't like your beard, then the razor is probably the wise choice.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Taking Odds on the Election   
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    Vort got a reaction from Jamie123 in Politics today   
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    Vort got a reaction from Jamie123 in Politics today   
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Taking Odds on the Election   
    A lot of people like to say this.  Yet, they have no idea who are making the guidelines and why.  "Wear a mask"... "Why?"... "Because the internet says you won't transmit Cov-19 if you wear one."... "But I don't have Cov-19."... "You don't know if you have Cov-19"... "I've been quarantined in my house for 4 months and have not come into contact with anybody close enough to catch Cov-19"... "You don't know that...you're going to kill grandma"... "So, how do you know that wearing a mask will stop grandma from dying?"... "Because the internet..."
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    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in Is This the Work of History Revisionists on George Washington?   
    My first thought when I hear "city on a hill" is Israel. God commanded his people to be that shining light that would draw people to Him. Jesus similarly said we are to be salt and light--a city on a hill. I suspect most LDS have this in mind when they labor to create hard-working, clean, low-crime communities wherever they reside--especially in concentrated numbers. I'm not sure Winthrop was trying to make a point by not mentioning Jesus' name in abundance. He simply focused on Jesus' words for this homily. Jesus' name can be used a lot or a little. My desire is simply that it be used well.
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    Vort reacted to Just_A_Guy in Is This the Work of History Revisionists on George Washington?   
    I wonder whether we aren’t judging many of the colonials by 21st-century notions of “Christianity”, and maybe @prisonchaplain can weigh in on this.  But it seems to me that nowadays Christians—especially Protestants—are all “Jesus” this and “Jesus” that.  But Winthrop’s “City on a Hill” sermon doesn’t contain the words “Jesus” or “Christ” once.  I wonder whether earlier Americans, while undeniably Christian in attitude, simply were more reticent to invoke the name of Jesus due to some desire to keep the name sacred (a perspective that retains some potency among our own fellow Saints today).
    Maybe modern researchers assume that since Washington didn’t use the vocabulary of modern Christians, he must not have actually thought much of Christ.  I wonder whether, if forced to apply their assumptions and techniques to the surviving works of some colonial preacher (Cotton Mather, for example), those researchers would be compelled to reach the same conclusion about him as they do about Washington.
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    Vort got a reaction from MrShorty in Desire to read scriptures   
    I have heard this advice throughout my life. Many friends have extolled the virtues of topical study. Personally, I have found it occasionally useful, but on the whole not ideal for my own personal scripture study. Here are my thoughts on the matter, in case anyone cares.
    Most scriptures are not like the book of Proverbs, a random collection of insightful sayings and folk wisdom. Rather, there is almost always a local ordered temporal structure to what's written. By "local ordered temporal structure", I mean that the scriptural narrative in that book or at least chapter of scripture unfolds like a story, like watching a movie: First A happened, then B, followed by C. If you're reading here and there, back and forth, doing a topical study, these time-ordered sequences can become invisible.
    The Book of Mormon is the most obvious example. From Nephi's first chapter to Moroni's farewell, knowing the sequence of things that happen, and not merely the happenings themselves, is vital to understanding the scripture and its message. Sure, it's possible to profit from a topical study of the Book of Mormon. But that book of scripture was meant to be read front to back. It unfolds as a narrative, almost a novel written in the first person by Nephi, Mormon, and others. So while I would not discourage anyone from using topical study as a way to study the Book of Mormon, I would suggest that topical study is better used as an adjunct to study than as the primary method.
    It's not just the Book of Mormon; the Bible is often much the same. The entire book of Genesis, indeed most of the first five Biblical "books of Moses", are like this. So are the Old Testament histories (Samuel, Kings, Chronicles). Within the books of the prophets, each book or prophet tends to be temporally ordered, too. In the New Testament, each gospel tends to go from Christ's birth (or even before) chronologically through his calling, his ministry, his atoning sacrifice, his death, and his resurrection. The book of Acts is obviously a time-ordered history. Not so much with the apostles' epistles or the book of Revelation.
    Similarly, the Doctrine and Covenants is most easily understood if you know the background of what happened and how things unfolded. The sections are mostly arranged chronologically. But we tend to use the Doctrine and Covenants as a sort of reference manual, so that temporal flow is often overlooked.
    So topical study certainly has its place. If you're finding scripture study difficult to start, maybe a good topical study of doctrines of interest is the way to go. But as a general rule, my experience is that front-to-back study is reliably the best way to go.
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    Vort reacted to Fether in Taking Odds on the Election   
    But the difference here is they were wrong
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    Vort reacted to Plein Air in Taking Odds on the Election   
    Whenever I have bothered to actually make a prediction as to who will win an election, I have been wrong every time. Maybe I could use those powers in this election! ⚡
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    Vort got a reaction from JohnsonJones in So It Begins   
    I think we all long to live in Zion. That desire is implanted and nurtured in us by the kingdom of God, aka the Restored Church. But I do believe as a philosophical p oint that we are living in the time and the situation when we can learn what we need to learn. In some ways, we are not yet fit to dwell in Zion. If we could magically be transported back to the Nephite era of 50-100 AD, we might be dismayed to find that we don't feel what we thought we would. Cultural issues aside (and I'm sure that's why SSV said "born in 50 AD" rather than "transported to 50 AD"), I suspect most or all of us have personal or spiritual or other issues that would keep us from enjoying that Zion as we should. Speaking for myself, I'm pretty confident I do. So maybe we really do belong where and when we are, and it's a merciful God working toward our ultimate benefit that has placed us in the here and now.
    That said, I share SSV's sentiment.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    Wait a minute. By definition, all diseases cause sickness, and almost all sometimes cause death. Yet we do not go to inordinate lengths to avoid catching diseases in general. We realize that diseases are an unavoidable part of life. We don't want to live our lives inside a plastic bubble, so we accept the risk inherent with living and breathing. In the very recent past, people would often expose their young children to the so-called childhood diseases to give them immunity. How is today fundamentally different from that?
    What happened to "flatten the curve"? A few months ago, we were all carefully lectured to so that we would understand that catching this infection was ultimately unavoidable. The whole "flatten the curve" effort was to keep so many people from catching it at once that the hospitals would be overrun and people who needed respirators would die without them.
    Right? Am I misremembering? Pretty sure I am not. And the curve has been flattened.
    So whence this terror of getting sick?
    If getting the flu were inevitable, and the alternative to getting the flu now were to sit at home as much as possible, always wear a mask whenever interacting in public, skip Church for months on end. and watch our economy go quickly to pot, then you bet I would intentionally go get the flu.
    Because it's inevitable. Remember? Inevitable. That means you're going to get it eventually. The only way to avoid that is to take outrageous precautions and seriously increase intrusive government intervention into our lives (and even that is doomed ultimately to failure).
    Over the decades and centuries, men have died in battle to preserve our freedoms. If we are so pathetically cowardly that we accept the loss of our liberties and the ravaging of our economy and of society itself in hopes of living a little longer than we otherwise might, then we deserve the slavery that will result.
    Yes, I think licking a toilet seat is stupid. What does that have to do with the general idea of "get sick, get over it, and increase the herd immunity so we can get back to living normally"?
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    Vort got a reaction from anatess2 in Temples And Protection   
    NEWS FLASH
    List Member Occupying Space In Another List Member's Mind
    No rental terms released yet
    5 July 2020 (THP)—Mister @priesthoodpower of ThirdHour revealed Sunday evening that he was "occupying space" in the mind of another list member. There was no indication of rental or other financial agreements, leading some to speculate that his occupation of the mind was "rent-free". priesthoodpower has not yet responded to this allegation, but informed sources suggest that this CHAZ-like squatting may be in retribution for the brain space others have taken rent-free in priesthoodpower's own mind through the years.
    priesthoodpower expressed regret for this unauthorized occupation, tearfully proclaiming, "My apologies for occupying space in his mind." He then went on to speculate about the ill effects of his extralegal occupation, worrying that "Dude must not sleep well at night."
    The identity of the victim of priesthoodpower's mental occupation was not explicitly identified. Most who are close to the situation suspect he is referring to @pam, who functions as the list custodian and behind-the-scenes disciplinarian. One unnamed source disputed this, saying that the use of the noun "Dude" and the pronoun "his" clearly suggest a male victim. The unnamed source was quickly condemned by all involved as a blatant sexist. Nevertheless, the possibility of a male victim, while distasteful, withstands scrutiny. Some have suggested that @Just_A_Guy is the victim of priesthoodpower's occupation, while others point to @MormonGator. A few even suggest that, in an ironic twist, @Carborendum himself lies at the center of the controversy. A second anonymous source named @anatess2 as the real occupyee. When it was pointed out that anatess was in fact female, the source responded, "Well, yeah, but she watches MMA."
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Temples And Protection   
    NEWS FLASH
    Notorious Blessingsist Proclaims That "Some People Are Better Than Others"
    "Virtue is not evenly distributed", infamous list member intimates
    5 July 2020 (THP)—Early Sunday evening, Mister @Carborendum, long-time list member, was roundly excoriated for having implied that virtue was not evenly distributed among all living human beings. While not outright stating this, Carborendum claimed that "the true blessings and protection of the temple come from actual 'worship' while in the temple," an open dog whistle to the blessingsists. Going even further than this, Carborendum appeared to suggest quite openly that those who pay attention during temple sessions receive more benefits than those who sleep their way through. "I don't see why you would be arguing that to fall asleep during a session provides absolutely equal levels of benefits as someone who would be fully engaged during the process," Carborendum blustered upon cross-examination.
    Carborendum's tirade was interrupted by the cool rationality of Mister @priesthoodpower, who calmly observed, "Unless you are the one issuing out the blessings I think you shouldn't say who gets the 'true' blessings. This suggests that some people are better then others when everyone is at different levels and trying their best.ï»ż" Though priesthoodpower offered no actual evidence that "everyone is...trying their best," observers agreed that the statement is obviously true and practically a tautology. Carborendum has yet to respond, with rumors that he has gone into hiding to bury his shame and humiliation.
    This is a breaking story. THP will update as events progress.
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    Vort got a reaction from anatess2 in Temples And Protection   
    NEWS FLASH
    List Member Occupying Space In Another List Member's Mind
    No rental terms released yet
    5 July 2020 (THP)—Mister @priesthoodpower of ThirdHour revealed Sunday evening that he was "occupying space" in the mind of another list member. There was no indication of rental or other financial agreements, leading some to speculate that his occupation of the mind was "rent-free". priesthoodpower has not yet responded to this allegation, but informed sources suggest that this CHAZ-like squatting may be in retribution for the brain space others have taken rent-free in priesthoodpower's own mind through the years.
    priesthoodpower expressed regret for this unauthorized occupation, tearfully proclaiming, "My apologies for occupying space in his mind." He then went on to speculate about the ill effects of his extralegal occupation, worrying that "Dude must not sleep well at night."
    The identity of the victim of priesthoodpower's mental occupation was not explicitly identified. Most who are close to the situation suspect he is referring to @pam, who functions as the list custodian and behind-the-scenes disciplinarian. One unnamed source disputed this, saying that the use of the noun "Dude" and the pronoun "his" clearly suggest a male victim. The unnamed source was quickly condemned by all involved as a blatant sexist. Nevertheless, the possibility of a male victim, while distasteful, withstands scrutiny. Some have suggested that @Just_A_Guy is the victim of priesthoodpower's occupation, while others point to @MormonGator. A few even suggest that, in an ironic twist, @Carborendum himself lies at the center of the controversy. A second anonymous source named @anatess2 as the real occupyee. When it was pointed out that anatess was in fact female, the source responded, "Well, yeah, but she watches MMA."
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    Vort reacted to Just_A_Guy in OK what happens after judgement? kind of a corny question   
    1.  To view the degrees of glory as something you either “earn” or “are sentenced to”, is to miss the whole point of the Plan of Salvation.  It’s not about what you do; it’s about what you become.  To suggest that you’ve reached a point in life where you are no longer able to become celestial material—or to suggest that, having become celestialized, you are “owed” a certain form of existence—is fundamentally to deny the atonement of Christ.
    2.  The scriptures suggest that physical pain itself is a condition limited to fallen mortality.  As far as how a resurrected body would react to a maiming-type event:  it’s all conjecture at this point; but it seems to me that most maiming-type accidents are either the result of a) careless/limited information/foresight by the injured person, and/or b) being subject to the powers of a malicious third party. I have no reason to believe that either a) or b) would be the case in eternity.
    To speculate about a resurrected being getting their arm stuck in a meat grinder, or stabbing another resurrected being just to see what would happen—one may as well ask if God would ever torture kittens for fun.  I suppose it may be physically possible, but His perfected character—and those of resurrected beings—renders it utterly inconceivable.  That’s what the thousand years of hell does—it offers individual deconstruction as an alternative to individual destruction.  Where it succeeds, the result is redemption and a nature that renders the individual—if not fully prepared to join the council of gods as a peer and exercise divine authority over new generations of creations—at least finally able and willing to abide some form of law that renders them absolutely harmless to others. Where the process doesn’t succeed, the result is perdition—the state of being lost—the only state, according to scripture, in which there has been no redemption.
    3.  I don’t know whether sexual desire will even exist amongst resurrected beings, or solely among certain classes of resurrected beings.  But if we spend our time in the here-and-now wondering about spending an eternity having sex rather than—say—spending an eternity composing symphonies, or studying architecture, or calculating gravitational constants, or making the perfect soufflĂ©, or just watching a sunset and shooting the breeze with our loved ones; then the world (and especially, our sexual urges) are probably dominating our priorities a little more than they ought. 
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    Vort got a reaction from prisonchaplain in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    I suspect this is a minority viewpoint within LDS circles, but I completely agree with you, if for no other reason than that God is good and seeks to bless all. Those who remain filthy still and are cut off from God must surely be in that condition because that is what they choose.
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    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    If Mr. Smith chooses to promote LGBT rights, and seeks out a professional job he's qualified for, more power to him. This is America. If he promotes his horrible behavior towards the Chik-Fil-A workers as noble and just, and hopes to bankroll that boorishness with book deals and career enhancement, I frankly hope that doesn't go well. I hope I'm reasonable, hope-filled, and at least somewhat Christlike in this.
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    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    As a side note, I am convinced that those who end up in the outer darkness (or hell) would prefer no other venue. They set their hearts against the Godhead, and aim for an eternal place that is apart.