Vort

Members
  • Content Count

    22801
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    392

Reputation Activity

  1. Like
    Vort got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    I confess, I don't have the same sympathy for the guy. It's one thing to be a "major jerk" to an innocent girl while you preen your perverted self-esteem. It's wholly another thing to video the entire encounter and then put it up for public consumption as a way to signal your virtue to the world. This guy is not merely in the former camp, but in the latter. He chose his path, and I think it's completely just that he gets to live with the consequences. Think of what he was trying to do, not merely to Chik-Fil-A, but to the young woman he wrongly excoriated. I concede that I should feel pity toward the guy, but I don't. I don't claim any virtue for thinking as I do, because I'm not virtuous. I simply think that it could not have happened to a more deserving person.
  2. Like
    Vort got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    I confess, I don't have the same sympathy for the guy. It's one thing to be a "major jerk" to an innocent girl while you preen your perverted self-esteem. It's wholly another thing to video the entire encounter and then put it up for public consumption as a way to signal your virtue to the world. This guy is not merely in the former camp, but in the latter. He chose his path, and I think it's completely just that he gets to live with the consequences. Think of what he was trying to do, not merely to Chik-Fil-A, but to the young woman he wrongly excoriated. I concede that I should feel pity toward the guy, but I don't. I don't claim any virtue for thinking as I do, because I'm not virtuous. I simply think that it could not have happened to a more deserving person.
  3. Thanks
    Vort reacted to SilentOne in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    Around here, with the numbers of new cases lately, I've been hearing that the hospitals won't be able to keep up if things don't slow down soon. Maybe not even if they do. It looks more like the curve was pushed back a couple months than significantly flattened. Or maybe it was flattened, just not by nearly enough.
    I am a high-risk individual. I have to physically go to my workplace, where I am not the only high-risk person. Even though officially we are required to wear masks, most don't. I've considered saying I won't come in because I am scared for my health and life and that of my father, who I live with and has more health problems than me, but I have expenses and who knows how long this will go on and how long it would take me to find another source of income? One of my high-risk co-workers has a second, public-facing job. Her expenses are higher than mine.
    I can see the logic in wanting to catch the virus to get immune and get it over with. But the idea that high-risk people can and should just completely isolate themselves so everybody else doesn't have to that I am feeling (note I said feeling - I realize I may be a bit extra sensitive on this subject and thus reading in sentiments not actually there) reminds me a little of the anti-vax arguments that if we have so much faith in the vaccine, others' lack of immunization shouldn't bother us - ignoring or unaware of those who can't be vaccinated.
    And as for catching the virus being inevitable, I have been following the news on the various vaccine trials and the general consensus seems to be that we'll have something by early next year; possibly this fall. Maybe that's overly optimistic, but I'm hoping these vaccines are answers to the multiple worldwide fasts this spring.
  4. Like
    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in OK what happens after judgement? kind of a corny question   
    Okay, my perspective, as an outsider, probably is quite ignorant. However, I somehow got the impression that all three kingdoms were...well...heavenly realms. So, I imagine that the terrestrial kingdom is exponentially better than the telestial one, and that the celestial kingdom is exponentially better than the terrestrial one, but that even the telestial kingdom is better than our current state--perhaps, again, exponentially so. In other words, it's all good, all challenging, all Heavenly Father (through His Son or Spirit) allowing us to develop to our personal bests. It may well be that telestial living would seem pathetic to one accustomed to the higher realms. However, it is likely the most appropriate and balanced for those who will reside there. I doubt anyone will be bored--even in the outer darkness.
    [Now, let the faithful fill in the huge gaps I just left behind...]
  5. Like
    Vort reacted to Still_Small_Voice in So It Begins   
    I wish I could have been born in about the year 50 Anno Domini among the Nephites and Lamanites in the Americas.  That would have been a great time to live when these people had peace and were practicing consecration and serving the LORD.  I feel like the prophet Nephi who was upon his tower and praying in the book of Helaman.
    Oh, that I could have had my days in the days when my father Nephi first came out of the land of Jerusalem, that I could have joyed
    with him in the promised land; then were his people easy to be entreated, firm to keep the commandments of God, and slow to be led
    to do iniquity; and they were quick to hearken unto the words of the Lord—
    8 Yea, if my days could have been in those days, then would my soul have had joy in the righteousness of my brethren.
    9 But behold, I am consigned that these are my days, and that my soul shall be filled with a sorrow because of this
    the wickedness of my brethren.
    Helaman 7:7-9
  6. Like
    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Desire to read scriptures   
    Yes, most of my life I hated reading.  In fact, I have always been and am still a very slow reader.  Not that I don't have the ability to read.  It is just that my method of reading tends to be a slow one. 
    Because of that I tried to avoid reading whenever I could.  I always wanted the section headings, the bullet points, the reader's digest versions, etc. 
    But because I knew I was SUPPOSED to read the scriptures, I made an effort to read.  After MANY years, I've just gotten into the habit.  So, for me it was just a brute force method of convincing myself that I had to.  And when we believe we "have to" we tend to do it.
  7. Like
    Vort reacted to pam in Desire to read scriptures   
    Have you tried an audio version that you could just follow along with?
  8. Like
    Vort reacted to Still_Small_Voice in Is This the Work of History Revisionists on George Washington?   
    I believe some people are trying to re-write history on George Washington.  I think they are ignoring some of his writings and picking what they want to come to different conclusions.  I found this written by George Washington:
    Act at all times as in the presence of God, and make it the great object in all things to please Him. In order to do this, Seek first of all to gain clear views of His will and with regard to all things to be perfectly conformed to it. In doing this, Cherish no thoughts, indulge no feeling, speak no words, and do no actions, but what you really think, after all the light you can gain, will most honor God, most benefit yourself and others needs, and give you the greatest joy when they come to be exhibited before the assembled universe at the judgement day.
    Begin and end each day by a season of communion with God, and by a solemn and hearty commitment of yourself and all your interest, temporal and eternal, to His guidance, care and disposal. Daily read, with deep attention and fervent prayer, a portion of the word of God, for the purpose of understanding, believing, and obeying it.
    Never express or indulge the least degree of unkindness towards any human being, and give no needless pain to any one of the human race, or even of the animal creation. Make it your object to promote the greatest happiness, on the whole, of all upon whom you may have influence, both of the present and all future generation.
    Regard the hand of God in all the dispensations of His providence, and in whatsoever state He places you, therewith be content. Envy none who are above you, and despise none who are below you: but possess and manifest the utmost goodwill towards all men.

    I also found this from Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation, 3rd of October 1789:
    Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor—and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me “to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.”
  9. Like
    Vort reacted to laronius in OK what happens after judgement? kind of a corny question   
    After suffering for your sins for a millennia in hell "boring" will feel like heaven. As for your question about shacking up, whoever said your resurrected body will even maintain that ability? What makes you think the Lord has any intention of letting such a sacred act be polluted by those who have proven in this life that they can't be trusted with such a gift? Remember, all blessings come by obedience to some law. There will not be any blessing in any kingdom given but to those to whom it can be trusted with.
  10. Like
    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    Wait a minute. By definition, all diseases cause sickness, and almost all sometimes cause death. Yet we do not go to inordinate lengths to avoid catching diseases in general. We realize that diseases are an unavoidable part of life. We don't want to live our lives inside a plastic bubble, so we accept the risk inherent with living and breathing. In the very recent past, people would often expose their young children to the so-called childhood diseases to give them immunity. How is today fundamentally different from that?
    What happened to "flatten the curve"? A few months ago, we were all carefully lectured to so that we would understand that catching this infection was ultimately unavoidable. The whole "flatten the curve" effort was to keep so many people from catching it at once that the hospitals would be overrun and people who needed respirators would die without them.
    Right? Am I misremembering? Pretty sure I am not. And the curve has been flattened.
    So whence this terror of getting sick?
    If getting the flu were inevitable, and the alternative to getting the flu now were to sit at home as much as possible, always wear a mask whenever interacting in public, skip Church for months on end. and watch our economy go quickly to pot, then you bet I would intentionally go get the flu.
    Because it's inevitable. Remember? Inevitable. That means you're going to get it eventually. The only way to avoid that is to take outrageous precautions and seriously increase intrusive government intervention into our lives (and even that is doomed ultimately to failure).
    Over the decades and centuries, men have died in battle to preserve our freedoms. If we are so pathetically cowardly that we accept the loss of our liberties and the ravaging of our economy and of society itself in hopes of living a little longer than we otherwise might, then we deserve the slavery that will result.
    Yes, I think licking a toilet seat is stupid. What does that have to do with the general idea of "get sick, get over it, and increase the herd immunity so we can get back to living normally"?
  11. Like
    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    Wait a minute. By definition, all diseases cause sickness, and almost all sometimes cause death. Yet we do not go to inordinate lengths to avoid catching diseases in general. We realize that diseases are an unavoidable part of life. We don't want to live our lives inside a plastic bubble, so we accept the risk inherent with living and breathing. In the very recent past, people would often expose their young children to the so-called childhood diseases to give them immunity. How is today fundamentally different from that?
    What happened to "flatten the curve"? A few months ago, we were all carefully lectured to so that we would understand that catching this infection was ultimately unavoidable. The whole "flatten the curve" effort was to keep so many people from catching it at once that the hospitals would be overrun and people who needed respirators would die without them.
    Right? Am I misremembering? Pretty sure I am not. And the curve has been flattened.
    So whence this terror of getting sick?
    If getting the flu were inevitable, and the alternative to getting the flu now were to sit at home as much as possible, always wear a mask whenever interacting in public, skip Church for months on end. and watch our economy go quickly to pot, then you bet I would intentionally go get the flu.
    Because it's inevitable. Remember? Inevitable. That means you're going to get it eventually. The only way to avoid that is to take outrageous precautions and seriously increase intrusive government intervention into our lives (and even that is doomed ultimately to failure).
    Over the decades and centuries, men have died in battle to preserve our freedoms. If we are so pathetically cowardly that we accept the loss of our liberties and the ravaging of our economy and of society itself in hopes of living a little longer than we otherwise might, then we deserve the slavery that will result.
    Yes, I think licking a toilet seat is stupid. What does that have to do with the general idea of "get sick, get over it, and increase the herd immunity so we can get back to living normally"?
  12. Like
    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Victory Garden   
    So, this was the 50 lb melon.

    Looks pretty ripe to me.
    The stuff at the very center was as sweet as candy.  Volume of super sweet area was about the size of an eggplant.
    Beyond that, it was still pretty sweet, like soda.
    I really didn't have a full appreciation of the size of a 50 lbs watermelon.  We took it to a luncheon today with about 25 people.  I was thinking that people would want four or five pieces.  Nope.  Just one.  A few people had two.  It was just a side dish.  We only ate about 1/3 of the melon total.
    I took half the melon over to my friend's house.  He says he LOVES watermelon.  On my way home from his house, he had to call me on my phone to exclaim that this was the sweetest melon he had ever eaten.  And it was also the juiciest.
    BTW, some people complain that some super sweet melons sacrifice the characteristic melon flavor to achieve that sweetness.  Not so in this case.  It certainly had a full bodied taste.  I just need to figure out how to stop watering at the right time.  I believe that will decrease some of the water.  I honestly thought it was too much water.  As I cut into it, there was as much drippage as a turkey taken out of the roasting pot to be place on the cutting board for carving.  And that was just cutting the discs.  Then cutting the wedges created more water.  And while eating individual pieces, there was more drippage.  Definitely an outdoor eating melon.
    Was it worth the hype.  Well, I suppose.  But do I really want a 50 lb candy bar?  No, but 50 lbs of soda around a party goes a long way.  So, for most people, I think it may not be worth it.  But if you have a large gathering, this melon would be worth it.
  13. Like
    Vort reacted to Just_A_Guy in Temples And Protection   
    Art thou the only “Christian” in a forum full of Mormon heretics, and knowest not these things?
  14. Like
    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    "Dumb idea" vs. "Good idea"  false dichotomy.
  15. Like
    Vort reacted to Carborendum in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    Sectarians call us "a cult."  Ravi Zacharias tries to soften it a bit by explaining they are using a specific definition -- one that isn't used anywhere else by anyone else about anyone else except for "Mormons."  If we cry foul and logically explain why it's inaccurate, they simply respond,"Well, it's nuanced.  Our definitions are different. You're just so brainwashed that you don't know any better."
    Gee, where have I heard that before?
    The BLM side will say "All white people are racist. But it's nuanced.  Our definitions are different.  You're just too indoctrinated by the system to know any better."
    And, yes, when some (and by "some" I mean many) Black people say "Black lives matter" they truly mean "Black lives are better than white lives."  That's why we see videos of black people kicking white people in the head while saying "Black Lives Matter!"   They apparently don't believe white lives matter.
  16. Like
    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    1. It may not be noble, but it's effective for any intelligent and honest person. Even if you don't like how the message is delivered, the message itself comes across loud and clear. And if that doesn't justify it, at least it explains it. Which is more than the anti-white racists can truthfully say.
    2. Lack of nobility doesn't mean lack of intelligence. There is nothing "idiotic" about correctly demonstrating the dishonesty of a foolish political viewpoint. Again, this is not meant as a justification of the action, but calling it "idiotic" is simply untrue.
    3. The original point still stands. Defining racism as the anti-white racists do is absurd. As one specific example, if you are going to crucify white people for having been racist in past generations, or even now, then if you are honest and just, you must:
    a. Crucify every other race for their past and current racist attitudes
    b. Exalt and honor white people, especially American white people, for having created the least implicitly racist society currently in existence.
    If the evil is to be recognized, so must the good. To do otherwise is unjust, especially when you are judging people as a group instead of as individuals. When was the last time you heard the media exalt "white people" as a group for the immense good they have accomplished in the world? It seems that every nonwhite scientist or actor or musician or schoolteacher is recognized for his/her accomplishments, including the accomplishment of being non-white. This is blatantly and unapologetically racist. So at least apply it equally.
  17. Like
    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    No, what you've been trying to get across is clear. Now it's you who is missing the point. The statement, however "nuanced", is absurd on its face. It would never be accepted if said about any other race or group. That's the point of those who say it "sarcastically". They are demonstrating the idiocy of the statement by taking the low-down, treacherous route of repeating it..
  18. Like
    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    1. It may not be noble, but it's effective for any intelligent and honest person. Even if you don't like how the message is delivered, the message itself comes across loud and clear. And if that doesn't justify it, at least it explains it. Which is more than the anti-white racists can truthfully say.
    2. Lack of nobility doesn't mean lack of intelligence. There is nothing "idiotic" about correctly demonstrating the dishonesty of a foolish political viewpoint. Again, this is not meant as a justification of the action, but calling it "idiotic" is simply untrue.
    3. The original point still stands. Defining racism as the anti-white racists do is absurd. As one specific example, if you are going to crucify white people for having been racist in past generations, or even now, then if you are honest and just, you must:
    a. Crucify every other race for their past and current racist attitudes
    b. Exalt and honor white people, especially American white people, for having created the least implicitly racist society currently in existence.
    If the evil is to be recognized, so must the good. To do otherwise is unjust, especially when you are judging people as a group instead of as individuals. When was the last time you heard the media exalt "white people" as a group for the immense good they have accomplished in the world? It seems that every nonwhite scientist or actor or musician or schoolteacher is recognized for his/her accomplishments, including the accomplishment of being non-white. This is blatantly and unapologetically racist. So at least apply it equally.
  19. Like
    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    No, what you've been trying to get across is clear. Now it's you who is missing the point. The statement, however "nuanced", is absurd on its face. It would never be accepted if said about any other race or group. That's the point of those who say it "sarcastically". They are demonstrating the idiocy of the statement by taking the low-down, treacherous route of repeating it..
  20. Thanks
    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    The Korean is the most perfect creature ever to sanctify the earth with the imprint of his foot.
  21. Haha
    Vort reacted to Jamie123 in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    Careless talk costs lives...
    (The BBC version was better but YouTube doesn't seem to have it)
  22. Like
    Vort reacted to Carborendum in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    Of course not.  After all, most abolitionists were white.  And we all know that if youi're white, you're automatically a racist.  I'm so glad I'm of a superior race so I can't be considered racist.
  23. Like
    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    People did it for chicken pox and the measles.  And it worked.  It's called herd immunity.  And it seems we may be closer than we think.  They have preliminary findings that people who have had (I can't remember which) either the cold or the flu have certain types of T cells that also provide protections against COVID.  That is why so many people are asymptomatic.  They actually test positive.  But they already have stuff in their systems to keep it at bay.
    I may have misunderstood the details.  But it was something like that.
  24. Haha
    Vort reacted to Just_A_Guy in Victory Garden   
    It’s like America, but . . . south. 
  25. Haha
    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Victory Garden   
    I do not.
    Did I mention that I'm  the product of American public education?