Vort

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    Vort got a reaction from anatess2 in Victory Garden   
    Yeah. I though Australia was in South America, which is a part of Texas.
    -Signed, A Proud Product of American Public Education
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    Vort got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    Actually, I agree with this. My previous point was that the corrupt DA seeking reelection wants the taser classified as a deadly weapon when a cop uses it on an uncooperative and threatening suspect, but then TWO WEEKS LATER wants the taser classified as non-deadly when a perpetrator steals one and tries to use it against a cop. Whichever side the cop is on, you can bet that Paul Howard stands firmly on the other.
    Unless, I assume, the perpetrators are attempting to defile Paul Howard's house. Then he probably stands with the police, at least until the threat is past and he can once more take the police to task for not doing their jobs adequately. Such people have earned the absolute right to live in the anarchy they so desperately desire. Just don't take me or mine with you.
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    Vort reacted to Just_A_Guy in BoM Is Abolitionist   
    As I understand it, “Abolitionist” was kind of a term of art in the antebellum period that applied specifically to the policy of compelling (by force if necessary) slaveowners in their home states to immediately emancipate their slaves with no thought of compensation.  That seems natural to us now; but under this definition, Joseph Smith (by advancing a sort of buy-back program) wasn't really an “abolitionist” as Americans of the period would have understood the term.  Many, many early Americans disagreed with slavery and wanted to end it, but preferred using other means and thus wouldn’t have fit the 1830 (or even 1855) description of “abolitionist”.
    This may seem like gnat-straining, but it’s important to keep in mind when you see early Church literature and sermons that often virulently condemn “abolitionism”.  In general, early Saints had no problem with the idea of living in a slave-free society; they just weren’t willing to use violence to attain that goal.
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    Vort reacted to Jamie123 in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    I think the theory is that guilt and innocence are no business of anyone but the jury. Even a judge is not supposed to opine on whether a person is guilty or innocent. The most he/she can say is whether or not a "reasonable jury properly instructed" could find a person guilty based on the evidence presented.
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    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    Here it is. I believe I copied this from a @mirkwood post on this forum. I have lightly edited it, formatting it into paragraphs for clarity. The DA, Paul Howard, seems to be a piece of work.
    Statement from former APD Officer Garrett Rolfe's new criminal defense team
    I’ve been prosecuting or defending Georgians in the criminal justice system for 25 years. But never in my career have I seen a District Attorney act so unethically without regard for his professional obligations in pursuit of reelection. Twice in the past few weeks Paul Howard has put his own ambitions ahead of the good of his constituents as he seeks to capitalize on a series of national tragedies. Under Georgia’s Rule of Professional Conduct 3.8, Paul Howard is prohibited from making “extrajudicial comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused.” In fact, he is only permitted to inform the “pubic of the nature and extent” of his actions “that serve a legitimate law enforcement purpose.” He has violated that rule today and also made blatant false statements. He has also acted rashly, before the official investigation has been completed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI).
    Had Paul Howard waited for the GBI to complete its investigation he would have learned that while Rayshard Brooks’ death was tragic, Officer Garrett Rolfe’s actions were justified under Georgia law and that there is no legal basis to charge him with 11 felonies. On June 12, 2020, Officer Brosnan responded to a call that a person was passed out in a car at a Wendy’s. Suspecting that the driver, Rayshard Brooks, was drunk, Officer Brosnan requested the assistance of an officer with specialized training in conducting DUI investigations: Officer Rolfe. The DUI investigation that followed was routine, and at the end of it, Officer Rolfe determined that he had probable cause to arrest Mr. Brooks. No one is disputing that probable cause existed for Mr. Brooks’ arrest. And there is no argument that Officer Rolfe was anything other than courteous to Mr. Brooks over the course of their encounter. There is also no dispute that, up until the moment of his arrest, Mr. Brooks, too, was polite and cooperative. Suddenly, something changed. Mr. Brooks began to struggle with, and attack, both Officer Brosnan and Officer Rolfe. Under Georgia law, Mr. Brooks’ forceful resistance to arrest, and his attack on the officers, constituted felony obstruction. All Georgia citizens, including police officers, are entitled to use force to defend themselves from forcible felonies. Over the course of the encounter, Officers Brosnan and Rolfe attempted to use the least amount of force necessary to end the encounter and ensure their safety, while Mr. Brooks continued to escalate, until he at last he punched Officer Rolfe in the face, a second felony. Then, Mr. Brooks took Officer Brosnan’s TASER, a third felony. A TASER is an offensive weapon under Georgia law and has been declared to be a deadly weapon by Paul Howard; in fact, one of his investigators swore that a TASER is a deadly weapon before the Honorable Belinda Edwards on June 2, 2020.
    One video shows Mr. Brooks pointing the TASER at Officer Brosnan’s head, and Officer Brosnan’s lawyer stated that Mr. Brooks shot Officer Brosnan with the TASER, a fourth felony. At that point, Officer Rolfe deployed his TASER, but it had no effect. Mr. Brooks began running through the parking lot armed with Officer Brosnan’s TASER. But he wanted to deter pursuit. So instead of continuing to run, he paused, reached back, pointed, and fired what we now know was Officer Brosnan’s TASER at Officer Rolfe; this was an additional aggravated assault, a fifth felony. Officer Rolfe heard a sound like a gunshot and saw a flash in front of him, and so he did what any officer in that situation would do: He dropped his TASER, pulled his gun, and fired it at Mr. Brooks. Mr. Brooks fell to the ground, Officer Rolfe gathered himself, and then he immediately called for EMS and began life-saving measures.
    That Officer Rolfe was justified is clear under Georgia law. A police officer may use deadly force to apprehend a suspected felon when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon or any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others; or when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm. When Mr. Brooks chose to attack two officers, to disarm one of them, and to point and fire a deadly weapon at Officer Rolfe, he took their lives, and his own, into his hands. He took the risk that their justified response might be a deadly one.
    Nobody is here to applaud the death of Mr. Brooks. He was a father, he was a member of his community, and his death was a tragedy. But not every tragedy is a crime. Time and again in this country, we have used tragic deaths to push for new and harsher prosecutions and for less empathy for the accused. But following every sad event with yet another prosecution isn’t an end to this cycle— it is simply another aspect of its continuation. Although we can all understand the grief of Mr. Brooks’ family, Officer Rolfe’s actions were justified by the law. But Paul Howard’s choice to charge him is justified only by his hopes to improve his performance against Fani Willis in the upcoming runoff election. I will be joined by Bill Thomas of the W.H. Thomas Firm in defending Garrett Rolfe in reference to the criminal charges and we will announce the rest of our team at a later date.
    Noah H. Pines Ross & Pines, LLC
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    Vort reacted to NeuroTypical in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    FWIW, Classifying a taser as a deadly weapon makes about as much sense as classifying pepper spray or handcuffs as deadly weapons. 
    Also FWIW, I've been tased by cops before.  It was a demonstration of the nonlethal stuff they have, and I jumped at the chance to be on the business end of a live demonstration.  The cop asked me how many seconds of juice I wanted.  I asked him how many seconds he went through in his training - he said three seconds.  In one of my not-most-mature moments, I proudly asked for four seconds.  
    I had someone take a video of the thing - yep, there I am, managing to yell "NoMore NoMore NoMore" three times in that last second.  
    It was a singular experience.  I didn't know what I thought of such things before the demonstration.  It made me a huge fan of tasers in the hands of law enforcement.  I'd much rather be tazed and cuffed, than wrestled or beaten and cuffed, or even pepper sprayed and cuffed.  
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    Vort reacted to NeuroTypical in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    Wow.  Some folks will never learn until they get hurt, some folks won't even learn after they get hurt.
    I try to teach my kids - just assume that everything you say online is seen by security, the news media, your malevolent stalker, and your worst enemy.
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Ignorance is sad, but stupid is unfixable   
    Well... of course.
    The TDS is strong with that one.
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    Vort got a reaction from SilentOne in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    I think that @Jamie123's* post can be classified as a variation on the extremely common theme I hear all the time from Europeans, which goes something like this: "Americans should be less American and more like us Europeans." Needless to say, and even as a self-proclaimed Europhile, I heartily disagree.
    *For the record, in case anyone doesn't already know this, I'm very fond of Jamie123**. I value his participation on this forum and enjoy hearing his opinions and insights. Just in case anyone thought I had something personal against Jamie, nothing could be further from the truth.
    **I keep misspelling "Jamie" as "Jaime", a fairly common Hispanic given name. If I do so at any point in the future, just assume I'm using the Spanish version of his name to give my post some Spanish flair***.
    ***As opposed to "Spanish flare", which would involve habañeros.
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    Vort got a reaction from anatess2 in Victory Garden   
    Yeah. I though Australia was in South America, which is a part of Texas.
    -Signed, A Proud Product of American Public Education
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    There's a ginormous difference between a surgeon who submitted to training to do surgeries in a mask while breathing down the innards of a person and the everyday guy who is FORCED to wear a mask while walking around Walmart.  And there is a reason why @Carborendum is not a surgeon.
    And yes, you should nag about how you are oppressed when you've done nothing but stay home and go to Walmart for the past 4 months and you are GUILTED into wearing a mask by social pressure and then by government tyranny.  YOU WEAR A MASK if you so desire.  Stop being such a gaslighter to people who do not want to do so.  Fad Science is simply that.  FAD SCIENCE.
    The next step is for you to social pressure other people into taking the vaccine.  Then social pressured to get digital chipped so they know you've been vaccined.  Then social pressured to house arrest for whatever other else YOU consider the Fad Science of the month that makes you feel better about yourself and grandma so you won't live constantly in fear of dying.
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    Vort reacted to MormonGator in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    Tongue in cheek, relax. No, I don't think like that, using humor to make a greater point. 
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    Yes, it's supposed to be a less lethal alternative to firing a metal bullet, although the same Georgia DA who ruled on the Brooks case is the same DA that ruled the taser as a lethal weapon when it was fired against an unruly student resisting arrest. 
    But you're looking at a taser in the hands of the person who is supposed to be holding a taser.  This is not the case in this situation.  The taser was in the hands of Brooks the perpetrator, not Rolfe the cop.  In this case, Brooks, purposefully fired it upon the cop... which means it was intended to incapacitate the cop WHO HAS A GUN.  The next step to that altercation is for Brooks to take the gun from the incapacitated cop and fire it.
     
    It isn't.  Try it sometime - get yourself shot by a broken water pistol, then get yourself tased.
     
    The alternative is for Brooks to stop beating up his kids, stop getting sent to jail, stop driving around drunk as a skunk while on parole, and stop getting violent against police officers.  You cannot expect the police to not defend himself against violence when all he wants is to go home safe to his own children.  The fallout is overblown in this case.  If Brooks was not black, this would be an open and shut cop-did-his-job case.
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    Vort got a reaction from SilentOne in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    I think that @Jamie123's* post can be classified as a variation on the extremely common theme I hear all the time from Europeans, which goes something like this: "Americans should be less American and more like us Europeans." Needless to say, and even as a self-proclaimed Europhile, I heartily disagree.
    *For the record, in case anyone doesn't already know this, I'm very fond of Jamie123**. I value his participation on this forum and enjoy hearing his opinions and insights. Just in case anyone thought I had something personal against Jamie, nothing could be further from the truth.
    **I keep misspelling "Jamie" as "Jaime", a fairly common Hispanic given name. If I do so at any point in the future, just assume I'm using the Spanish version of his name to give my post some Spanish flair***.
    ***As opposed to "Spanish flare", which would involve habañeros.
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    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    1. The ACLU, which skews pretty hard to the left, disagrees with your assessment about the lethality of a taser.
    2. In a previous case involving a charge of police brutality, a Georgia DA argued that, under Georgia state law, a taser is a lethal weapon. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
    3. I realize your comparison of a taser's lethal potential to that of a "broken water pistol" was hyperbole, but in this case it's particularly unhelpful hyperbole.
    4. This was not a "Judge Dredd-style execution". The cop did not stand over the downed perpetrator and put a bullet in his skull. He fired on a perpetrator who was pointing a stolen police weapon at him.
    5. Second-guessing what a cop "should have done" is a fun game to play, especially for those who hate cops. It's a completely different game when you're the one being shot at and absorbing the punches.
     
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    Vort got a reaction from Jamie123 in Tucker Carlson, Rayshard Brooks, Garrett Rolfe and Mike Braun   
    FTR, I removed Point #3 because it came across as snarky and insulting, when I meant it to be, well, snarky and jovial.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Temples And Protection   
    PP, 
    I did not ridicule you in my response.  I would think it common courtesy for you to return the favor.
    The quoted portion above (your central theme) is a straw man.  I never said any such thing.  There is a difference between intent vs success/failure.  I'm sure everyone goes to the temple with the "intent" to worship.  But many fail in actually following through.  And, yes, I'll concede that anyone who actually "goes through a session" is worshiping in some form. 
    Yes, and that difference is in "level" not in "kind".  I don't know of any other options.  If you can think of one, let me know.  If you're saying it is different in "kind" then explain, please.
    And the difference would be...? 
    As I've conceded above, yes, simply "going" is a form of worship.  I think that when we kneel down as a family every morning and every night, we are praying.  But there are times when the prayers are very common.  And there are times when prayer is very sincere and consists of pouring out my soul to the Lord.  This is most certainly "next level."
    Straw man.
    Would you tell someone to continue to say the same rote prayers every day rather than pouring out one's soul to the Lord?  Would you say these are equivalent in spiritual benefits?  By advising people to really pour out their souls to the Lord, is that somehow discouraging prayer entirely?
    As I did in my last post, I'll concede that there is most certainly a benefit when we simply "go".  But I cannot accept that to be equal to going with real intent and full purpose of heart.
    I'm not certain why such a vehemence to go against my interpretation here.  Are you saying that we all ought to go through a session and fall asleep all the time?  Are you saying that is the preferred mode of temple worship?  Is it not better to pay attention and have full intent throughout the session?
    While I concede that simply "going" has benefits in and of itself, I don't see why you would be arguing that to fall asleep during a session provides absolutely equal levels of benefits as someone who would be fully engaged during the process.
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    Vort got a reaction from KScience in How is the Church doing handling the latest crisis?   
    @BobMaster, before we proceed, please answer this question: Do you believe that the First Presidency and/or the Quorum of Twelve are acting to change basic Church structures and doctrines without divine revelation to do so?
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    Vort got a reaction from KScience in How is the Church doing handling the latest crisis?   
    This sentence highlights my concerns about this thread (or this thread tangent). What "leaders" are you talking about? If you mean various local leaders, such as Young Women leaders, Aaronic Priesthood quorum advisors, or even the occasional out-there (or outright rogue) bishop or stake president, then I agree. But if you mean that our General Authorities, and specifically the First Presidency and/or the Quorum of Twelve, are acting to change basic Church structures and doctrines without revelation to do so, then I disagree most strongly and consider such things fully out of bounds.
    If there is a danger that our members, especially the younger and less experienced, risk being lured to their destruction through apostate teachings of the world and the worldly, there is also an equally real danger that our members, perhaps especially the more mature who consider themselves more deeply grounded in doctrine and practice, might apostatize by deciding that the leading apostles have left the true path. I don't know that both extremes are equally prevalent, but I am sure that both extremes are equally destructive to those who follow them.
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    Vort got a reaction from NeedleinA in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    It may not budge the needle in Seattle proper, but I have some hope that the less densely populated areas of the state will be, well, less dense.
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    Vort got a reaction from Gomezaddams51 in BREAKING NEWS: Brigham Young University Cougars to change name   
    PROVO, UT (UPI)—Due to outrage from many quarters, the Brigham Young University President Kevin J. Worthen, along with the university's Board of Trustees, has announced an official change in the name of the school's representative bodies. To avoid giving offense to vulnerable populations, starting immediately, the school's sports teams are to be known as the Brigham Young University Predatory Older Women.
    (Thanks to @pam for bringing this to my attention.)
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    Vort got a reaction from NeedleinA in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    It may not budge the needle in Seattle proper, but I have some hope that the less densely populated areas of the state will be, well, less dense.
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    Vort got a reaction from NeedleinA in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    It may not budge the needle in Seattle proper, but I have some hope that the less densely populated areas of the state will be, well, less dense.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    My point exactly.  When was it ever peaceful.  It seemed violent at the start.
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    You would think.  Except this is Seattle...