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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Bubba Wallace   
    You know, I'm starting to rethink my response to Wallace's reaction. A black man, the only black driver on the circuit, goes into his newly assigned garage and finds the pull rope tied as a noose. Ideally, he would not jump to conclusions, but is that realistic? Given the state of racial relations in the US at this moment, I think it is not reasonable to expect that Wallace would not assume such a thing was targeted at him personally.
    And when Wallace finds out that he's wrong after touring the media circuit decrying this supposedly racist act, is he really supposed to say, "Totally my bad, false alarm, everything's fine"? I'm not sure it was totally his fault. It's disappointing that it turned into a media circus, but I'm not sure it's fair to lay that at Wallace's door. He did admit embarrassment; maybe it is unreasonable to expect anything more.
    I'm very glad I"m not God. My judgment skills have a ways to go.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Bubba Wallace   
    You know, I'm starting to rethink my response to Wallace's reaction. A black man, the only black driver on the circuit, goes into his newly assigned garage and finds the pull rope tied as a noose. Ideally, he would not jump to conclusions, but is that realistic? Given the state of racial relations in the US at this moment, I think it is not reasonable to expect that Wallace would not assume such a thing was targeted at him personally.
    And when Wallace finds out that he's wrong after touring the media circuit decrying this supposedly racist act, is he really supposed to say, "Totally my bad, false alarm, everything's fine"? I'm not sure it was totally his fault. It's disappointing that it turned into a media circus, but I'm not sure it's fair to lay that at Wallace's door. He did admit embarrassment; maybe it is unreasonable to expect anything more.
    I'm very glad I"m not God. My judgment skills have a ways to go.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Triumph In The Midst Of Chaos   
    I think you're talking about the aircraft carrier that the Air Force put together.

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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Bubba Wallace   
    You know, I'm starting to rethink my response to Wallace's reaction. A black man, the only black driver on the circuit, goes into his newly assigned garage and finds the pull rope tied as a noose. Ideally, he would not jump to conclusions, but is that realistic? Given the state of racial relations in the US at this moment, I think it is not reasonable to expect that Wallace would not assume such a thing was targeted at him personally.
    And when Wallace finds out that he's wrong after touring the media circuit decrying this supposedly racist act, is he really supposed to say, "Totally my bad, false alarm, everything's fine"? I'm not sure it was totally his fault. It's disappointing that it turned into a media circus, but I'm not sure it's fair to lay that at Wallace's door. He did admit embarrassment; maybe it is unreasonable to expect anything more.
    I'm very glad I"m not God. My judgment skills have a ways to go.
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    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Bubba Wallace   
    There goes one of my points of criticism. Whether or not it slips, that is certainly a noose, or at least designed to look like one.
    I would note that as a teenager, I was taught to tie a noose, and I thought it was pretty cool in a goth sort of way. For me, the noose was a symbol of the Old West and cowboyhood. It was how a cattle rustler or a horse thief might meet his end. Tying a noose was still a ridiculous thing to do, but if I had been accused of racial harassment or intimidation, it would have been a patently false accusation. The racial aspect of the symbol of a noose would never even have crossed the mind of this western boy.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in David Bednar voices what the US socialists and communists are thinking   
    In the words of Benedict considering Beatrice's words...  There's a double meaning in that.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in David Bednar voices what the US socialists and communists are thinking   
    "No freedom is more important than religious freedom."
    A prophet has proclaimed this truth. Sadly, those who worship the idea of No Freedom also agree, with the wording if not with the underlying truth.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Safely Passing The Sacrament These Days   
    Oh, no! *I* have sleep apnea! Does that mean...that...I'm gonna...
    ...die?

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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in David Bednar voices what the US socialists and communists are thinking   
    "No freedom is more important than religious freedom."
    A prophet has proclaimed this truth. Sadly, those who worship the idea of No Freedom also agree, with the wording if not with the underlying truth.
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    Vort got a reaction from Halothane in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    Queolby does not engage in conversation, ever. Go back and check his posting history. He raises what he apparently sees as "controversial" topics, often disguised as "investigator questions" or "someone asked me this online," then sits back to enjoy the show. This thread continues that pattern. In my opinion, the mods should resolve this problem once and for all.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Bubba Wallace   
    FWIW, I find your judgment skills to usually be spot on.  But as Spock said so Saavik: Nobody's perfect.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Bubba Wallace   
    You know, I'm starting to rethink my response to Wallace's reaction. A black man, the only black driver on the circuit, goes into his newly assigned garage and finds the pull rope tied as a noose. Ideally, he would not jump to conclusions, but is that realistic? Given the state of racial relations in the US at this moment, I think it is not reasonable to expect that Wallace would not assume such a thing was targeted at him personally.
    And when Wallace finds out that he's wrong after touring the media circuit decrying this supposedly racist act, is he really supposed to say, "Totally my bad, false alarm, everything's fine"? I'm not sure it was totally his fault. It's disappointing that it turned into a media circus, but I'm not sure it's fair to lay that at Wallace's door. He did admit embarrassment; maybe it is unreasonable to expect anything more.
    I'm very glad I"m not God. My judgment skills have a ways to go.
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    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Bubba Wallace   
    There goes one of my points of criticism. Whether or not it slips, that is certainly a noose, or at least designed to look like one.
    I would note that as a teenager, I was taught to tie a noose, and I thought it was pretty cool in a goth sort of way. For me, the noose was a symbol of the Old West and cowboyhood. It was how a cattle rustler or a horse thief might meet his end. Tying a noose was still a ridiculous thing to do, but if I had been accused of racial harassment or intimidation, it would have been a patently false accusation. The racial aspect of the symbol of a noose would never even have crossed the mind of this western boy.
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    Vort got a reaction from mordorbund in Bubba Wallace   
    There goes one of my points of criticism. Whether or not it slips, that is certainly a noose, or at least designed to look like one.
    I would note that as a teenager, I was taught to tie a noose, and I thought it was pretty cool in a goth sort of way. For me, the noose was a symbol of the Old West and cowboyhood. It was how a cattle rustler or a horse thief might meet his end. Tying a noose was still a ridiculous thing to do, but if I had been accused of racial harassment or intimidation, it would have been a patently false accusation. The racial aspect of the symbol of a noose would never even have crossed the mind of this western boy.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Bubba Wallace   
    I can understand this is a sticking point.  But it is very human. 
    No one likes being wrong.  And what people hate more is having to admit they were wrong.  For a person to publicly admit they had made a mistake at all is still praiseworthy IMNSHO.
    I know I've spent a lot of time always thinking the worst of those on the other side of the aisle.  I know that I've spent a lot of time blaming the ills of society on public acts of outrage at nothing from the other side.  And when it is truly outrageous, I think it justified to call them out on that.  And I also think it is profitable to enumerate the reasons why it was so wrong.
    But I've also found a startling pattern that has been on the left, that is now infecting the right.  Cancel culture.
    The biggest part of Cancel culture is a refusal to forgive.  It has been on full display from the left with all the boycotts, the public shaming, the calls for closing various businesses, vandalizing, doxing, firing people for a mispoken word or phrase.  But I've seen smaller instances of the same attitudes (if not the same practices) from the right. 
    But here is an instance where the right may be getting to the point that we are not willing to forgive the pecadillos of the left.  And yes, I call it a pecadillo.  I know what it is like to be raised in an environment where everything seems to be aimed against you.  And any little hint can easily be taken the wrong way when you're in that environment -- and be correct to be taken as such.  It is very easy for a person with that mindset (reinforced by reality) to tilt at windmills when they are OUT of that environment.
    Should he change his mindset? Yes.  But such a change isn't going to happen overnight.  So, I'm grateful for the baby step he's taken.  I'm willing to forgive.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in David Bednar voices what the US socialists and communists are thinking   
    "No freedom is more important than religious freedom."
    A prophet has proclaimed this truth. Sadly, those who worship the idea of No Freedom also agree, with the wording if not with the underlying truth.
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    Vort reacted to Still_Small_Voice in David Bednar voices what the US socialists and communists are thinking   
    "Because the fight for freedom is God’s fight, and free agency is an eternal principle. It existed before this world was formed; it will exist forever. Some men may succeed in denying some aspects of this God-given freedom to their fellowmen, but their success is temporary. Freedom is a law of God, an eternal law. And, like any of God’s laws, men cannot break it with impunity. They can only break themselves upon it. So as long as a man stands for freedom, he stands with God. Therefore, any man will be eternally vindicated and rewarded who stands for freedom."  -- Ezra Taft Benson
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Bubba Wallace   
    An apology made after such eggregious accusations simply to save face is not a sincere apology, nor is it really an apology.  Let me see him go back to Don Lemon and passionately state this apology in the same manner he passionately accused people like me of being racist.  Twitter apology that is easily swept under a 2 second news coverage after all the mess he created fanning racial divisiveness going on those news rounds is either insincere or cowardly.  And where's his mother?
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in David Bednar voices what the US socialists and communists are thinking   
    "No freedom is more important than religious freedom."
    A prophet has proclaimed this truth. Sadly, those who worship the idea of No Freedom also agree, with the wording if not with the underlying truth.
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    Vort got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Triumph In The Midst Of Chaos   
    I doubt this story, but I dearly hope it's true. That would be so awesome. Like the whales are trying to learn to communicate with these interlopers whose screaming drowns out the communication between whales separated by hundreds or (so they say) even thousands of miles.
    Our submarines actually have caused (and continue to cause) significant auditory disturbances throughout the oceans. Obviously it's nothing that most people have ever heard or even know about, but the oceanic acoustic environment has been substantially altered by human presence. We should take greater efforts to keep our acoustic footprint in the oceans very light, which today is not the case.
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    Vort reacted to MarginOfError in Safely Passing The Sacrament These Days   
    Reminds me of one of my favorite news headlines of all time:
    Severe sleep apnea sufferers more likely to die
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25952469/ns/health-health_care/t/severe-sleep-apnea-sufferers-more-likely-die/#.XvSdSii6PIU
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    Vort got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Bubba Wallace   
    not•black (predicate adj, sing or collective pl; attested from 2020) Referring to someone who did not vote for Joe Biden.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Safely Passing The Sacrament These Days   
    Random person from last March: If I get COVID-19, will I die?
    Vort: ...yes, of course.
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    Vort got a reaction from SilentOne in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    When you tell him about cheap titanium and he lets Musk know, tell him that you get a share of the resulting profit margin. Then you can give me my kickback for the brilliant and completely non-intuitive suggestion.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Safely Passing The Sacrament These Days   
    Random person from last March: If I get COVID-19, will I die?
    Vort: ...yes, of course.