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    Vort got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Safely Passing The Sacrament These Days   
    Random person from last March: If I get COVID-19, will I die?
    Vort: ...yes, of course.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    When you tell him about cheap titanium and he lets Musk know, tell him that you get a share of the resulting profit margin. Then you can give me my kickback for the brilliant and completely non-intuitive suggestion.
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    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in Title IX Believe the Victim or the Perpetrator?   
    Okay, I get this. The debate respecting Title IX is over whether allegations of sexual misconduct—especially on college campuses—should be treated as other offenses in which the accused has the presumption of innocence or, as the Obama administration instituted: whether accusers should get the presumption of being truthful while the accused is treated as already guilty, and given no opportunity to defend himself, lest the victim be re-traumatized. I was arguing for the accused to retain the presumption of innocence. It sounds like you agree. Yes?
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    Vort got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    On sober reflection, my primary concern may be that the love of Vort is waxing cold. I have never in my life felt such disappointment and even disgust toward so many of my fellow Americans. I feel so drained that it's almost as if I have lost hope for society and just want to see the "other side" go their way while I and mine go ours. I want to care about my fellow man and mourn for the ignorance and hatred that blinds people. Perhaps if I could see my own fallen state better, I would be a lot more sympathetic and charitable toward those who vandalize businesses and chant stupid, meaningless, Orwellian slogans. As it is, I'm tired of putting up with their crap, and I just want them to go away.
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    When you tell him about cheap titanium and he lets Musk know, tell him that you get a share of the resulting profit margin. Then you can give me my kickback for the brilliant and completely non-intuitive suggestion.
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    Vort got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    I have no expertise in this, but Carb's idea of work-hardening seems reasonable to me. Makes me wonder if the reason the titanium-skinned SR-71 didn't shatter in flight was because the extreme heat of flying at Mach 3 would anneal the titanium, preventing work-hardening.
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    Vort reacted to MarginOfError in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    No. The Soviets definitely used the Titanium (Search, for instance, Alfa Class submarine). They could afford it, since they had control of some of the richest titanium deposits in the world (in Sibera).
    There may be differences in characteristics between small, sea exploration submarines and large submarines carrying nuclear reactors and warheads.
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Bubba Wallace   
    NASCAR is soooo racist they hang nooses on every Talladega garage!
    OH LOOK!  Here's another one!!!

     
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    I grew up in a Catholic family.  My parents didn't need to teach me anything about the "full history of the (Catholic or LDS) Church" for me to understand both churches is full of flawed people doing their best with what they know.  If kids are hearing the bad stuff from anti-Mormons and they trusted THEIR VALUES more than the parent's values when they're in conflict, then the parents FAILED IN TEACHING THEM HOW TO DISTINGUISH GOOD FROM BAD - another VALUE.
    A kid with "so much anger built up" because he hears bad stuff from anti-Mormons is another kid whose parents failed in teaching VALUES - Patience, Forgiveness, and Perseverance.
    And here's another failure - blaming somebody else for one's lack of values... is a lack of value.
    Yep.  Two VALUES.
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    Vort reacted to MormonGator in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    When @Vort and I agree on something, it might be an opinion to take seriously. And he's 100% correct on this. 200%. 
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    Vort reacted to Just_A_Guy in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    Discussions about dark-skinned Lamanites aside, some of the other points the OP raises are not unique to the Book of Mormon.  For whatever reason, “shining” countenances are also associated in the Bible with divine power being upon a person; the color “white” with purity (though alternately, in some instances, with leprosy and sickness) and black or red with dirt, sin, blood, and/or death.
    If a modern social justice warrior is so hard-hearted that ze can’t abide a religion where divine goodness is spoken of as “light” (and its absence as “darkness”)—I don’t think there’s much the Church can do for said individual in that hard-hearted state.  There’s a fine line where a noble cause transitions into a false god.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    This is interesting.  Nitric Acid?  Or is the critical point of water just THAT corrosive on its own?
    Since I've never designed a submarine before, I was wondering what conditions would cause this to be the case.  And I realized that it was beyond the stress levels that I usually work with.
    I believe that this is either a geometry based issue or a strain-hardening issue.  Given that Russian sub continues to work for a time after the first crush depth, I'd conclude that it is a strain-hardening issue.  
    Would that be correct?
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    Vort got a reaction from Carborendum in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    Yeah, I was just being funny. Still, a Bayer-like process for titanium would revolutionize our materials science and usage. For example, automobiles would become far lighter and more efficient if made from titanium instead of from iron. Given the materials savings, it might not even be much more expensive to buy a titanium car than it is now to buy an iron car. Of course, it would take a generation for our metalworking techniques to catch up with titanium production. Titanium is extremely difficult to work with normal metalworking techniques; it work-hardens very easily and is what machinists call "sticky".

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    Vort got a reaction from Traveler in Ben Jonson   
    The Dreame
    Or scorne, or pittie on me take,
    I must the true relation make,
    I am undone to-night! 
    Love, in a subtile Dreame disguis'd
    Hath both my heart and me surpriz'd,
    Whom never yet he durst attempt t' awake;
     Nor will he tell me for whose sake
    He did me the delight,
    Or spight,
    But leaves me to inquire,
    In all my wild desire,
    Of sleepe againe; who was his aid.
    And sleepe, so guiltie and afraid,
    As since he dares not come within my sight!
    This gorgeous poem is little known to the general public, though most English-language-lover types have heard of it. It was featured in the wonderful 1995 film version of Sense and Sensibility, with Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet, as arranged by Patrick Doyle and sung so beautifully by the unmatched Jane Eaglen.
    Kate Winslet also sang it in the movie:
    (For the record, the scene above introduces the part where Edward returns, a tour de force of Emma Thompson's acting chops and certainly one of the most emotionally moving, and satisfying, scenes in all cinematography. I kid you not. You need to watch the movie to get the full effect. A worthy way to spend two hours and change.)
    Ben Jonson was a contemporary of William Shakespeare, and something of a rival to him. I wish more people in general know about Jonson. I wish I knew more about him, and were more familiar with his works. My favorite Ben Jonson poem is probably the same as yours, if you have a favorite Ben Jonson poem: On My First Sonne, which he wrote at the death of his seven-year-old son.
    On My First Sonne
    Farewell, thou child of my right hand, and joy;
    My sinne was too much hope of thee, lov’d boy,
    Seven yeeres thou’wert lent to me, and I thee pay,
    Exacted by thy fate, on the just day.
    O, could I lose all father, now. For why
    Will man lament the fate he should envíe?
    To have so soon scap’d worlds, and fleshes rage,
    And, if no other miserie, yet age?
    Rest in soft peace, and, ask’d, say here doth lye
    BEN. IONSON his best piece of poetrie.
    For whose sake, hence-forth, all his vowes be such,
    As what he loves may never like too much.
    I realize this isn't exactly everyone's cup of [herbal] tea, but some things are worth knowing. Ben Jonson's poems are some of those things.
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    Vort reacted to MarginOfError in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    Fun thing about titanium:
    We have a super critical water oxidizer (SCWO) reactor at work to treat some toxic byproducts of our primary process.  The SCWO sits in a titanium sleeve, and the chemical process reduces the toxic organics into salt water. The process happens inside a titanium sleeve.  
    The process is corrosive enough that we have to replace the 12' long titanium sleeve every 100 hours of operation.
     
    Another fun thing about titanium:
    U.S. Submarines are made from steel.  When they descend to their crush depth, the steel compresses and the submarine gets smaller.  But upon ascending, the steel expands again into it's original size.  U.S. submarines may descend to this crush depth repeatedly.
    Russian submarines are made from titanium. When the descend to their crush depth, the titanium compresses and the submarine gets smaller. But upon ascending, the titanium does not expand to its original size. Russian submarines may only descend to their crush depth once, and then they can never go that deep again.  But the Russian submarine crush depth is much, much deeper than the U.S. submarine crush depth.
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    Vort got a reaction from NeedleinA in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    Interestingly, titanium is one of the most common elements in the earth's crust, more common than carbon. The only reason it's such an exotic and expensive metal is because the refining process is unbelievably complex, labor- and energy-intensive. This is the position aluminum was in a century or so ago, before the Bayer refining process was developed. Perhaps something similar will happen with titanium, and our grandchildren will drink their caffeinated, carbonated garbage from superthin titanium cans.
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    Vort got a reaction from NeedleinA in Brigham Young statue vandalized   
    Interestingly, titanium is one of the most common elements in the earth's crust, more common than carbon. The only reason it's such an exotic and expensive metal is because the refining process is unbelievably complex, labor- and energy-intensive. This is the position aluminum was in a century or so ago, before the Bayer refining process was developed. Perhaps something similar will happen with titanium, and our grandchildren will drink their caffeinated, carbonated garbage from superthin titanium cans.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in National Guard Meme   
    My wife just shared a meme from Facebook (which I cannot find from a Google Search).
     
    The DC Police need to call the Utah National Guard for help
    DC Police: All you protesters, GO HOME!
    Protesters: "Make US!" (proceed to press forward as the DC Police back up 100 ft.)
     
    UT NG: Can we share a message with you about the Book of Mormon?
    Protesters: Uhmmm..  Sorry, we really are kinda busy right now.  Maybe another time. (proceed to back up 100 ft.)
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    Vort got a reaction from mirkwood in BREAKING NEWS: Brigham Young University Cougars to change name   
    PROVO, UT (UPI)—Due to outrage from many quarters, the Brigham Young University President Kevin J. Worthen, along with the university's Board of Trustees, has announced an official change in the name of the school's representative bodies. To avoid giving offense to vulnerable populations, starting immediately, the school's sports teams are to be known as the Brigham Young University Predatory Older Women.
    (Thanks to @pam for bringing this to my attention.)
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    Vort got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Bubba Wallace   
    Liar? Or just terminally stupid? Maybe both.
    FBI determines no federal crime was committed against Bubba Wallace while investigating noose in his garage
    The noose was actually a pull rope set up by a team that used the garage in 2019
    https://www.cbssports.com/nascar/news/fbi-determines-no-federal-crime-was-committed-against-bubba-wallace-while-investigating-noose-in-his/
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    Vort got a reaction from MormonGator in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    Perhaps not. But taking Queolby's posting history as a whole, it is not hard to conclude (or perhaps hard not to conclude) that he is less than an honest actor, as your asterisked footnote concedes:
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    Vort reacted to laronius in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    Call it lack of charity (which it probably is) but I don't have a lot of compassion for anyone who tries to separate a few verses of scripture from the rest and then draws totally erroneous conclusions from them. No one who has actually read the Book of Mormon could draw the conclusions found in the OP unless they had ulterior motives. And concerning those who chose to adopt the cancel culture reasonable explanations don't matter to them so why bother.
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    Vort reacted to MarginOfError in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    When I was teaching Institue, I came across a theory that Mormon was a Lamanite. He identifies as a "descendant of Nephi" in his own writing, but by 300 AD, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have both Lamanite and Nephite heritage. Mormon also features the Anti-Nephi-Lehis, a group of Lamanite converts, very heavily in his abridgement. He also features the people of Limhi, who desired to live among he Nephites, in his abridgement.
    Whether it is factually correct or not, I don't know. But it was in intriguing thought. And so, when my ward's young men decided to hold a Book of Mormon marathon (they attempted to read the entirety of the Book of Mormon in 24 hours), I decided to participate and that I would try to read and interpret the text from the perspective of Mormon being a Lamanite. I observed something in the process, and will try to explain and quantify it here.
    In this particular reading, one word started to stand out to me.  That word was 'filthy' (and its variants)
    There are 34 occurrences of 'filth' in the Book of Mormon (via  a text search at http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/17/pg17.txt). These can be categorized into 30 uses (some phrases use the term twice, such as in 'he who filthy shall be filthy still' 10 uses by Nephi 1 use by Isaiah 7 uses by Jacob 3 uses by Alma 2 uses by Mormon quoting/paraphrasing Limhi 1 use by Mormon 2 uses by Moroni In six uses, filthy is used to describe the Lamanites.  Once by Nephi, three times by Jacob, once by Enos, and once by Mormon The six uses to describe the Lamanites are what interest me the most.  I'm going to go ahead and post all of those verses here:
    From the context of all of these, it's reasonable to conclude that 'filthy' was a pretty heavy hitting term. Perhaps even close to what we might consider a slur. In the context of Nephi's culture (specifically, cultural Jew from Jerusalem), the word 'filthy' could probably be replaced with 'unclean.' Which was also pretty serious. (See also Alma 32:3 for a pejorative use of 'filthy')
    Now, let's also consider that there is a certain likelihood that the Lamanites joined forces with other indigenous peoples in the area. These people wouldn't have been Israelites, and so  would have been seen as outsiders to the Nephites.  Israel wasn't exactly what we would call a tolerant society, so it shouldn't surprise us if there was a touch of racism directed toward those outsiders. As a parallel, consider the relationship between the Jews and the Samaritans--the Samaritans were cultural Jews who intermingled their religion with some of the pagan religions in the area, and they were heavily despised by the 'pure' Jews for it.
    Most of the references don't make an explicit tie to skin color.  Nephi and Mormon both use the term 'dark', which may have reference to skin color. In all honesty, it probably does.
    It's the references by Enos and Jacob that are really informative though.  Enos gives a description of the Lamanites that is broad and perhaps promotes a stereotype of the Lamanites. It's a caricature, and I'm inclined to take it with a grain of salt. In fairness, Nephi was barely old enough to be Enos' grandfather, so the wounds and intercultural strifes between the Nephites and the Lamanites at this point in time are pretty raw still. If you add in unfamiliar cultures from any of the indigenous peoples the Lamanites may have joined, the stereotyping hypothesis becomes a little more plausible. 
    Jacob is the really interesting speaker in all of this, though. He actually goes to great length to separate 'filthiness' from 'skin'. This is important--in one respect, this strengthens the hypothesis that 'filthy' was a type of slur. More importantly, Jacob makes it explicit that 'filthiness' is a spiritual condition, and goes so far as to state that Nephites are the filthier race because their wickedness is greater than that of the Lamanites.
    In other words, Jacob explicitly rejects the link between skin color and supremacy. 
     
    Ultimately, the conclusion I've come to at this phase of my study is that there did exist a certain amount of racism and classism among the Nephites against the Lamanites. Mormon himself seemed to harbor some of these biases. In 3 Nephi 2:15-16, he describes converted Lamanites as having their skin become "white like unto the Nephites" and that their sons and daughters became "exceedingly fair." Given Mormon's general reticence to use 'filthy' to describe anything other than a spiritual condition, I'm inclined to believe that he is describing their physical attractiveness. In other words, the Nephite culture and those of Mormon's culture seem to have determined lighter skin to be the standard of beauty.
    The question that follows that conclusion is "how could prophets of God harbor those biases?" Well, they were still human, and still suffered from the imperfections of man.  Moroni explicitly states this. 
    And so if we read the right bits and pieces, it isn't difficult to paint a picture for "white supremacy in the Book of Mormon." However, if you read the broader teachings contained in that scripture, it becomes clear that filthiness--as used by the Book of Mormon authors--is strictly a spiritual condition that is not tied to skin color. Jacob makes that point inarguable. I recommend we follow Moroni's plea. Let us learn to be more wise than they have been and reject racial supremacy. Instead, let's recognize the beautiful truths of the Book of Mormon, the Bible, and all other scripture that teach that all men are children of God and that he desires all of them to return to his presence.
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    Vort reacted to NeedleinA in Bubba Wallace   
    Now lets see if anyone that 'claimed' it was a noose will step up an offer an apology for being wrong.
    The "it was a noose, racist NASCAR people etc." got X amount of airtime.
    The "it wasn't a noose" will get <1% of X in airtime.
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    Vort reacted to CV75 in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    Because people have been reading it through a 19th -21st century cultural lens instead of the Hebrew/Jewish cultural lens of the authors who lived in 600 BC - 400 AD.