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  1. THANK YOU. People have no idea how the doctrine of the Trinity works these days.
  2. The Shema actually screams the doctrine of the trinity. As I think many of us know, the word "Elohim" denotes three or more figures. And the word used for "one" in the passage is "echad", which describes a compound unity among 2 or more figures (the same word is used when the Bible describes marriage as becoming one flesh in Genesis 2:24). So what the Shema is saying about YHWH is that He is three or more figures united as one Being.
  3. Well, when the Bible says "gods", with the lower case "g", it's referring to idols, which are in reality demons posing to be "gods". The Old Testament Hebrew original languages usually uses the word "elohei" for them rather than "el, ela, or elohim". So if you're saying "Gods" with an upper case "G", you're suggesting there is more than one all-powerful, transcendent, and sovereign Being.
  4. "The context of this passage reveals that Christ had just pronounces Himself one with the Father saying, "I and My Father are one" (10:30). The Jews wanted to stone Him because they thought Christ was blaspheming since He was making Himself out to be equal with God (vv. 31-33). Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:6 which says, "I said, you are gods." This psalm addresses judges who are judging unjustly [Psalm 82:2]. The title of "gods" is not addressed to everyone, but only to these judges about whom Jesus said are those to "whom the word of God came" (v. 35). Jesus was showing that if the OT Scriptures could give some divine status to divinely appointed judges, why should they find it incredible that He should call Himself the Son of God? Thus, Jesus was giving a defense for His own deity, not for the deification of man." (Geisler/Howe 417 The Big Book of Bible Difficulties) That's the best response I can come up with.
  5. Yes, that's part of the context. But the other half is God's statement: There has been no God before Him, and niether will there be after Him. Let's say I got in a line to buy lunch for myself. If I was the only one in line, and also somehow the only customer the restaurant had all day, that would make me both the first customer and the last customer for that day, right? Well, rather than using a time segment of a day, God declares He is the first and the last for all eternity (Isaiah 44:6). The first and the last what? The first and the last God. He even adds (in that verse reference I just put) that besides Him there is no other God. He has been the first for the entire infinite duration that He has been in existence, and because He is the only God, He will also be the last for the entire infinite duration that He will continue to exist in. It may sound a little silly, but if we go back to my analogy, this would be the equivalent of me saying "I am the first and the last customer today, and besides me there is no other customer today."
  6. Let me see if I understand the LDS beliefs on this topic correctly: Human beings were born in heaven as the son or daughter of a god and goddess before they were born physically here on earth. Being born into this life here on earth is something that we agreed to in heaven. This life serves as a test and a means of obtaining exaltation one day to godhood. One achieves exaltation by living a life of obedience to Mormon teaching and practices. Those exalted to godhood will inhabit a planet and procreate spirit children. A supporting quote from Brigham Young would be this: "the Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like himself...We are created to become Gods like unto our Father in heaven.” (Journal of Discourses, 3:93) So, having that all being said (and if I'm wrong, please correct me), how does the Mormon Church interpret Isaiah 43:10?
  7. How can they be three different "Gods" under one "Divine Council" if God made this statement in Isaiah 44:6 & 8? Scripture clearly states there there is only one God. If there is only one God, and scripture declares that the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, (note: not "a" God) then we are forced to conclude that They are all one God existing in three centers of consciousness.
  8. But doesnt Abraham 5:1-21 mention several "Gods" creating everything in Pearl of Great Price?
  9. But doesn't A Pearl of Great Price mention several "Gods" creating everything in Abraham 5:1-21?
  10. Isaiah 46:9 does so does Isaiah 45:22 so does 1 Kings 8:60 .....and Deuteronomy 4:39
  11. Hello, I'm a non-denominational Christian who attends a Calvary Chapel in California I believe in the sacrifice of Christ on the cross, that He was crucified for the sins of the world by His own decision because He loves us with an infinite and immeasurable love. I believe that three days after His crucifixion, Jesus rose again from the dead. I believe that Jesus Christ alone is the Mediator between man and the Father, and that He alone is worthy for this purpose. I believe that all who believe this in their heart and confess it with their mouth will be saved by faith alone in Him. I do not believe in salvation by good works, but rather, good works by salvation. I believe that the Holy Bible (Old Testament + New Testament) and the Holy Bible alone to be the inerrant and infallible word of God. It is God breathed, written by men, has succesfully withstood scrutiny from generation to generation, and the final authority over my life. It is a document that God holds on higher importance than His own name (Psalm 138:2). I believe in the doctrine of the trinity and it's fullness: There is only ONE God, that God has one nature, but three centers of consciousness - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I also believe that this doctrine is undeniably supported throughout scripture (1 John 5:7, Deu 6:4, John 1:1). Anyone who says Jesus is not God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is calling Jesus a liar (Exodus 3:14, John 8:58). I believe that Jesus Christ has niether returned to this world yet, nor has established His millenial kingdom. I believe that when He does this, EVERY EYE will see Him, and that it will be no secret event whatsoever. I believe in a place of eternal punishment called Hell, and that all who do not put their faith in Jesus Christ will be condemned to this place.
  12. I'll quote the Apologetics Study Bible on this one: "Old earth creationists (OCs) argue against 24-hour creation days for reasons such as these: (1) The Hebrew word for 'day' (yom) is used in different ways in the creation account. For instance, Gn 1:5 refers yom only to daytime (daylight), not night-time. Also, Gn 2:4, literally translated, speaks of 'the yom that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.' (2) God's rest on the seventh 'day' has no evening and morning (Gn2:2-3), and Heb 4:3-11 portrays this same Sabbath as continuing to the present time. (3) Adam could not have named all the birds and animals in 24 hours according to Gn 2." (Cabal 4)
  13. I wouldn't know, I'm new here. lol Is there a response to this though?