Jamie123

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  1. The cultural references in Family Guy are a constant source of amazement to me: I wonder how many people "got" this? (I only did because my daughter happened to pick up a copy of the original book in a church rummage sale. It's actually no less cruel and silly than the Family Guy parody!) https://worldhistorycommons.org/der-struwwelpeter-slovenly-peter
  2. It bugs me a bit as well but I'm always told it is now acceptable usage. A bit like splitting infinitives and saying "begs the question" when you mean "raises the question". A few years ago someone gave me a very amusing book called "Doctor Whom". Doctor Whom is similar to Doctor Who, with the exception that he travels the universe correcting everyone's grammar, making a lot of enemies in the process!
  3. Yes I agree with you about Shakespeare - I prefer the original over " translations" - though these paraphrases do have their place in teaching Shakespearian language. The difference with the Bible for me is I don't (usually) go to it for its literary beauty but for its meaning. The original languages of the Bible are as different from 1611 English as they are from the English we speak today. As for the Book of Mormon I don't hear 16th Century English so much as a 19th Century attempt to mimic it. Perhaps it's just because I've used modern Bible translations most of my life that it sticks out to me so much. I daresay for the people of Joseph Smith's time, it would have just flowed over them as "Bible language".
  4. That is a great soliloquy though isn't it? "Why do we put up with so much crap when we could easily put an end to it by topping ourselves? It must be that we're worried something even worse might be waiting for us on the other side. That's always the problem: we overthink things and end up doing nothing!" Shakespeare's version was better I know!
  5. No "problem" - just a matter of personal taste I suppose. I've no problem understanding the Book of Mormon - or the 1611 for that matter, though I dont use it much. The NIV is my main "go to" Bible followed by the NRSV and the Good News. I do occasionally use the King James if I want something I can be sure is very close to the original wording, but if it's NT I more often consult a Greek interlinear online.
  6. Ok those were bad examples - anyone who did Hamlet at school would probably know them. But what about "eftest" or "impeticos"? Even if you don't get the exact meaning you can often get the sense of what it means. Sometimes I've been surprised: for ages I misunderstood "twin born with greatness yet subject to the breath of every fool...". I thought it meant being born BOTH for greatness AND for being badmouthed by fools. ("Twin born" you see!) Actually it means being born as the twin brother of "greatness". Subtle difference but it doesn't change the overall meaning.
  7. It's not that I don't understand it - it's just that the archaic style seems unnecessary. I'm sure if I was to go around speaking mock-1611 English, people would soon tell me to "cut it out and talk normal". To be honest I don't always understand Shakespeare very well without the footnotes. How many Brits - even educated ones - could explain the meaning of "contumely" or "fardle" without access to a dictionary?
  8. Apparently that's from T.H.White's The Once and Future King - a book I've never got around to reading - though I'm sure they used it (or something very similar) in the movie Excalibur. Great movie. Nicol Williamson as Merlin and Helen Mirren as Morgana. They used the funeral music from Götterdämmerung in the final scene when he returns the sword to the Lady of the Lake. That was pretty much my first introduction to Wagner. P.S. I was right: "I was not born to live a man's life, but to be the stuff of future memory." - Excalibur quote (clip.cafe)
  9. I felt so depressed this afternoon that I got the Book of Mormon out and tried reading it. However, the "eth"s and the "wherefore"s and the "yea"s grated so badly that I had to put it away again. It got me thinking though - has the Book of Mormon ever been translated into contemporary English? Also, what happens when it is translated into other languages? Do the translators mimic how those languages were spoken in 1611? I'm not intending to be disrespectful - I'm genuinely curious.
  10. There's a book called "Riding Rockets" by Mike Mullane which chronicles the whole shuttle story from the perspective of an insider. I got it for a birthday present a few years ago. It's an excellent read. Funniest are the stories of the astronauts' "goofing around" when off duty - they really were like a bunch of kids! The Soviets had their own equivalent of the Shuttle which looked almost identical to the NASA one: I don't believe they ever actually did much with it, but one difference was that they flew the first few missions unmanned. The US shuttle had people aboard from the very start though (to give credit where it's due) they had ejector seats for the first flight or two. When the crew was increased from 2 to 7 this became impractical, so if the shuttle crashed the astronauts died. I don't know if the Russian one ever had ejector seats.
  11. A few days ago my wife bought some little plastic containers which are supposed to use for portion control. There were 4 or 5 of them, and the tops have little blue plastic/rubber (whatever) "O-rings" on them to seal them. I washed up Sunday night and again last night, and the blue rubbery O-ring thingy of one of them has now gone missing. My wife went on and on and on and on and on......and on and on.....and on and on at me about this - about how she was "fed up" with things going missing and having to buy new ones. Blah, blah, blah... Now I know I'm not perfect. I know I left the cap off the car coolant reservoir so it overheated needed a new engine. Mea culpa. (I suppose I should be grateful she didn't give me a hard time about that, but she DID give me a hard time about losing the blue plastic O-ring.) I didn't lose it on purpose. I DID do the washing up and I did cook for her last night even though I was tired. But I still had to listen to her droning on and on about how "fed up" with me losing things. And it's not like she's perfect. She's lost plenty of stuff...including two cameras and our daughter's birth certificate. It's the pot calling the kettle black. But have you tried getting any woman to accept that she's the pot and you're the kettle? Oh now...she'll always find some way of making it your fault OK - rant over. P.S. I should count my blessings. I have a friend whose wife was so mad with him the other night she told him "not to come home till morning". He told me what it was about but I can't remember what it was. Certainly nothing very serious. Women, hey!
  12. Of course! Fourth of July! How could I have forgotten that? It seems to me a strange time to have fireworks. We normally have ours 5 November on Guy Fawkes night.
  13. I know you guys like the King James version best, but the Good News translation has a rather nice pithyness:
  14. Of course, not everyone's childhood was happy, and I don't believe there's anyone who thought their childhood was happy at the time. As a kid I always thought that once I'd got this nonsense of childhood, school etc. out of the way, I'd have a glorious adulthood as a secret agent, or a spaceman - just like in the comics I used to read. Grown-ups don't have to deal with teachers who make you stand in the corner, or bullies who goad you into fighting them, and then pound you in the solar plexus till you keel over. Grown-ups are always telling you that if you "don't learn spell and do your sums properly" you'll be in trouble later, but you never believed them: your main worry was getting home without running into the kid with the big fists who blames you for losing the soccer match that afternoon. Adulthood will take care of itself, and it will be GLORIOUS! When you get to be an adult it's all taxes and mortgages and not-enough-money, and how long the washing machine will last, and "will-the-car-break-down-today?" and "is-that-crack-in-the-wall-serious?" and "is-that-pain-in-my-chest-angina?" (sometimes you can't help but hope that it is!) and "how-will-I-pay-my-child's-college-fees?" and "if-only-I'd-remembered-to-put-the-cap-back-on-the-car-radiator!!!" etc. etc. etc. Then childhood looks rosy. You forget about the "bully-with-the-hard-fists" and the "teacher-who-so-unfairly-accused-you-of-talking-in-assembly" and remember the excitement of Christmas Eve (the presents you were longing for seem pretty lame now, but they didn't then) and those red candles burning in the golden whisky-bottle tops, decorated with holly leaves. Going to bed in your mother's old bed at grandma's, having just had a hot bath, and the feeling of the clean sheets on your still-damp toes. The big Christmas tree in church. Holidays by the sea - sucking rock and ice-cream, laughing at Mr. Punch*, splashing in the waves while the white clouds sailed overhead in the blue sky. Not a bully or a spiky sour-faced teacher in sight. Wordsworth said "Heaven lies about us in our infancy". I don't think it does - or if it does, Hell is there too. But there's a certain mood in which Heaven's all you can remember. *"Punch and Judy" is a traditional puppet show performed for children at the beach. It's still performed sometimes, but in a very toned-down form. In my childhood Mr. Punch (the main protagonist) was a wife-beater and multiple-murderer who is eventually sentenced to death, but escapes execution by killing the hangman. Don't ask me why this was so amusing, but in the politically-incorrect days of the 1970s it was hilarious.
  15. I've said this already, I know. But if I was a police officer and I'd been accused of a crime of which I was innocent (or if I was a lawyer acting on behalf of such a person) I don't think I'd object to there being someone on the jury familiar with the realities of being in the police force. Jurors are supposed to represent the same peer group to which the accused belongs.
  16. Maybe that was where I originally saw it (before it got deleted). My last warning point on this forum was over 10 years ago, but I had two before that. If I get one for this post, do you think I'll be banned?
  17. That reminds me of an "engineer" joke I once saw: Engineer 1 arrives at Engineer 2's house on a very powerful motorcycle. Engineer 2: Where did you get the wheels? Engineer 1: Oh, a lady rode up to me on it yesterday, stripped off her leather suit and said: "Take what you want!" So I took the motorcycle. Engineer 2: Wise choice, mate! The suit probably wouldn't have fit!
  18. It's weird - when she was still of the right age, my mother was forever being called on for jury service, whereas my dad was never called once. Neither have I ever been called. Nor (I believe) has my brother, though that may be because he's a cop.
  19. Unless the defendant was himself an officer.
  20. From The Telegraph: Has he never heard of Catherine the Great?
  21. I think American Pie is one of those songs that will always be remembered, regardless of whether there are covers of it or not. Rather like Bat out of Hell, Stairway to Heaven and Bohemian Rhapsody. You may be right about MacArthur Park though - it's not in quite the same league as those songs. I knew a fella once who was forever strumming little bits of Stairway to Heaven on his guitar. It got most annoying. I wanted to say to him "Either play the whole thing, or put it away!" I didn't though.
  22. Gotta love the burp at the end!
  23. I don't know what the final accounting of my life will be. But as for the intermediate accounts, I've learned that my worst screw-ups were rarely what I thought they were at the time. P.S. Perhaps I should have said the cake is not ONLY a metaphor. A thing can be both real and metaphorical. Like Hosea's marriage.