Jim108

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  1. No, Jesus to me and the traditional christians is God, the one and only, as I understand it, to the LDS Jesus in not God the Father. They are seperate beings or gods or whatever. I understand the LDS love Jesus the Christ, but they do not believe he is the one and only God. Is this true?
  2. It is my understanding that Jesus to the LDS is not God as in the father. The traditional Christian view is that Jesus (Son), Father and Spirit are one. So as I unerstand, Jesus is not the one and only God in the LDS religion. If this is not true than please correct me.
  3. Yes, you are right, thank you for the correction. It is the act.
  4. "My Brother feels that this guy could be a real possability for joining the church, as long as we can get past the indoctrination of his Catholic upbringing..." For him to give up his Catholic upbringing, he would have to deny Jesus as the one and only God. Be sure he knows that.
  5. The question you should ask yourself is not what my relationship is with the church, but rather, what is my relationship with Jesus is? Good luck.
  6. Polygamy is a sin just like homosexuality or lust or, well you get it. You have a right to be bothered by it.
  7. Yes, it is that silly old road of Jesus. Do you know Him?
  8. I agree, follow the living prophet, accept my living prophet is Jesus and he should be yours too. He lives in all believers.
  9. "...why is murder not forgivable?" All sin is forgivable save blasphemy. "...For this to work, wouldn't Jesus have to literally take our sins upon him, causing him to no longer be perfect?" Jesus has already done this. On the cross Jesus took on all sin of the world past, present and future. This is important.
  10. What is anti television? If you bring anti television to a television would you get a big explosion. ...and for every television built is there an anti television to balance the universe. Be careful out there.:lol:
  11. Think more about what your relationship with Jesus is.
  12. Jesus is the only way, in Him is truth. Jesus has always loved you and you can always count on that. If religion makes you happy and brings you to Jesus then go for it, but remember this, religion has never saved anyone. Jesus is the way, the light and the truth. Religion is external (earthly) and Christianity is internal. I hope this helps.
  13. You know it all depends on each person. Hugh Hefner would have a different view then Larry Flint and Larry would have a different then an LDS bishop. My view...I like Renoir, but during his life others called him a dirty old man. I think we see too much on TV and in movies. The TV is a bigger problem. Commercials that dont have a rating come on during family hours and show all kinds of things our kids should not see. I can't stand the viagra type commercials and we see them all the time. I believe we shoud have a choice of what our families can see. I do not want to see the art museums take down the Renoir's so I gues you can't stop Hefner from printing either. I guess we need to be on guard for ourselves and our kids. Its our duty.
  14. "In the past I've had several quite lengthy exchanges with Vort (and others) on the position of sexual immorality in the hierarchy of sin." We keep mentioning on this site that sin can be ranked from minor to major. It is easy to see sin in this manner from an Earthly view, but God does not see it that way. You see, every sin is serious in God's eyes. The reason is because God is absolutely pure and holy, and even one sin -- just one, no matter how minor it might seem to us -- would be enough to banish us from His presence forever. The Bible says of God, "Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrong" (Habakkuk 1:13). Every sin makes us guilty before God and subject to His judgment. Thank you Jesus, for without you, we are lost.
  15. Did you really think there was one? Yes, just one.
  16. Pam, that is very funny, but I was hoping for a free grill:lol:
  17. 'We are to avoid even the appearance of evil." It seems to me that there is where we would find Jesus first. They need the "good news" too. I have preached the gospel over many a cold one. Your cold one can be a soda or ice water, but whatever, get out there and preach.
  18. All of your points you bring out about the uglyness of the christian religions against you are true. But the question asked was why are people anit mormon. You have been attacked and it is wrong. But, it has gone both ways. I would say this, I believe your religion has been unproportionally attacked. It is ugly however you view it. I am not anti mormon. I just answered the question knowing the attack would be brutal. Next time I will just say that there are no reasons to cause people to be anti mormon as your church has done nothing wrong.....ever. Now you know that is not right either. Don't ask the question if you do not want the answer.
  19. I say believe in Jesus with all your heart and soul. That is what I preach. Tell me where the fault is. I also take acception with you saying I have a satanic agenda. I answered the question regarding why some people are anit mormon. What, did you want me to do, sugar coat it. I made it clear that the uglyness goes both ways. I also made it clear that we need to forgive and to love each other. I brought up the "old canards" because the question was asked. I was blunt and to the point. These ugly thoughts are rampid among anti mormons just as some of you have ugly thoughts about us. The sword has two edges. By the way leave prison chaplain out of this. He is a very good man.
  20. 1. The born again christians believe that you believe in a false Jesus. Why? You believe that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer. 2. Mormonism = cult Why do they think this? You have temple rituals and have close ties to the Masosns 3. Joseph Smith was a con artist and made up this religion. Why do they think this? He disrespected his neighbors, his wife and broke the law to name a few. 4. Mormons believe in plural Gods. Yeah, so? Well, actually maybe it's more accurate to say we believe in plural gods with a lowercase g. But there is only one true God who we worship. God has made it clear, he knows of no other gods. 5. Mormons mimimize Jesus Why do they think this? Because you do not believe in the living God in the here and now sense. Jesus is the prophet of the church and you have replaced Him with a man. 6. The whole "we are the true church" is insulting to other religious beliefs. I can understand why they would feel insulted at first, but not after studying about it some more. It's really one of the only 3 positions that any church can take- we are the true church, or we are preparing people for the true church, or we are a false church (leading people away from the true church). It is an insult, period 7. Mormons still believe in polygamy even if not practiced on Earth. This is the toughest one for me. Just gotta go by faith for now. Why not let it go 8. Mormons believe Men and Women are not equal. ie the womans exaltation is dependent on her man. Umm, no. Can a woman achieve celestial leve without ever being married. Can a woman be a bishop or prophet. Its like the slave master telling the slave we are equal but with different jobs 9. Mormons believe that some will one day becom a god and populate another planet. What do they think we'll be doing in heaven? Sitting on a cloud for eternity? They think God doesn't have the power or authority to help us become like Him? You will serve God, is that not good enough for you? 10. Mormon missionaries withold information from prospective members. ie you don't get the full picture until after you join. How is this different than every other church or organization? And why is it necessarily a bad thing? You gotta give the milk before the meat, right? NO, it is the lie of omission, it is a sin. edit (added): Actually, I think we don't get the full picture until long after we have died. 11. Mormons baptize the dead. Actually, we baptize for the dead. How do they reconcile the commandment for all to be baptized with the fact that so many were not able to receive baptism in this life? How can you baptize a person who is dead and unable to make his own desision. He is dead and it is too late. 12. Mormons have secret handshakes and pass words for entry to heaven. Not entirely true. The things we learn in the temple are not to be publicly discussed, but they are filled with symbolism and deeper meaning that we need to discover. Do you really think handshakes and code words are used by God. It is a left over masonic ritual. 13. Mormons are not nice to neighbors who are not mormons. ie a little boy is not invited to a friends birthday party because the party is only for his mormon friends. He watches the party from afar and cries. The little boy does not understand. Unfortunate, but why is this deserving of anti-mormon attacks? How is it different than other churches and organizations? (Not trying to justify it- I know this should not be done) It is wrong and unloving and not what members of the true church should be doing. It is ugly 14. Mormon only Boy Scout Troops. I know when my boy was in scouting any boy of any religion could join. When we moved to Utah we were told by our district that he could only join a non mormon troop. Very true and very ugly. See above This gives a great insight into the LDS culture. 15. Mormons put unhealthy pressure on the young members with regards to sexuallity. Masturbation is forbidden and normal sexual desires are buried. All healthy sixteen year old males masturbate and think of sex. It is normal and healthy. The guilt they build is overwhelming. It is no wonder that sexual crimes in Utah are high. I've never considered it normal and healthy- why do you? I guess it has a lot to do with our upbringing. Masturbation in a normal and healthy activity for both men and women. To surpress it will cause mental stress that leads to unhealthy behavior. I would not be too quick to attribute sexual crimes to a high moral standard. 16. The African American racism by the LDS church is still painfull to think about. I admit in some areas there are still problems. But again, without trying to excuse ourselves, is this not also a problem in other churches and organizations? The first prophet were in a time where this was normal. A true prophet would have know better and put a stop to it. 17. When looking for a house to buy in Utah, we were told by a neighbor bluntly that we would not fit in here because, you see, we are all mormons. wink wink wink wink, as in, just kidding? Why even throw this in here? No it ment get out, we don't want no nonmormons here. I was there and saw it first hand. I have friends who also have experienced this. Ugly 18. It is very hard on nonmormon kids to go to school in a mostly mormon school. The teasing is non ending and they are excluded and are lonely. I have known people who have moved just to get their kid into a more diversified school. See #13. I also have heard of mormons moving away from Utah because they're sick of the exclusiveness there. The people aren't perfect, but the gospel is. So if you're looking for perfection, study the gospel, not the people. Jesus is perfect As you can see some of these things I have fist hand experience with. I know you have a side of the story too that is just as ugly from your perspective. The question was why some have anit mormon behavior. My point here is to show you that you are very much part of this problem. We are both guilty and need to be more Jesus like. We need to love and to forgive.
  21. Thats not right either. Again, we all need to do better with loving and forgiving. I am sure you have heard the whispers and seen the wink winks. Why can't we just agree to love Jesus with all our hearts. Another reason as to why I dislike religion. Jesus yes, religion no.
  22. I am glad you have taken it well. I agree that we need to love each other better. I know that I am ashamed of some of the things we have said and done. It is not a one way street. Uglyness goes full circle.
  23. Could you give some example of what is being made up.
  24. Here are just a few reason why people are anti mormon. The saying goes that you never know your own reputation. So here it goes, this is what the nonmormon people are saying. 1. The born again christians believe that you believe in a false Jesus. 2. Mormonism = cult 3. Joseph Smith was a con artist and made up this religion. 4. Mormons believe in plural Gods. 5. Mormons mimimize Jesus 6. The whole "we are the true church" is insulting to other religious beliefs. 7. Mormons still believe in polygamy even if not practiced on Earth. 8. Mormons believe Men and Women are not equal. ie the womans exaltation is dependent on her man. 9. Mormons believe that some will one day becom a god and populate another planet. 10. Mormon missionaries withold information from prospective members. ie you don't get the full picture until after you join. 11. Mormons baptize the dead. 12. Mormons have secret handshakes and pass words for entry to heaven. 13. Mormons are not nice to neighbors who are not mormons. ie a little boy is not invited to a friends birthday party because the party is only for his mormon friends. He watches the party from afar and cries. The little boy does not understand. 14. Mormon only Boy Scout Troops. I know when my boy was in scouting any boy of any religion could join. When we moved to Utah we were told by our district that he could only join a non mormon troop. Very true and very ugly. 15. Mormons put unhealthy pressure on the young members with regards to sexuallity. Masturbation is forbidden and normal sexual desires are buried. All healthy sixteen year old males masturbate and think of sex. It is normal and healthy. The guilt they build is overwhelming. It is no wonder that sexual crimes in Utah are high. 16. The African American racism by the LDS church is still painfull to think about. 17. When looking for a house to buy in Utah, we were told by a neighbor bluntly that we would not fit in here because, you see, we are all mormons. wink wink 18. It is very hard on nonmormon kids to go to school in a mostly mormon school. The teasing is non ending and they are excluded and are lonely. I have known people who have moved just to get their kid into a more diversified school. This list can go on, but I think you get it. Most nonmormons living in Utah have a similar story to tell. Now look, I was not sure if I should have posted this because it is a shot of reality and it is not nice. Your nonmormon friends would never tell you these things, but I wanted to let you know what the nonmormon community thinks. I would like to see a list of what your position is regarding us. I would like to know my communities reputation. I am sure we have a lot of dirty laundry too. Since being on this site I have learned that much of the above is not true and some is true and some I am still don't know, but this is what people think. I do know that we need to do a better job on both sides to love each other. I know your going to eat me up so. Go ahead, fire away. I can take it.