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Yup thats my point. Jehovah was already God. Thus he was exalted during our pre-mortal existence. No doubt he condescended to become mortal. But He was still God. When He finished the Atonement and was resurrected, he became perfect in his charge to follow the Fathers plan. It is my position that Jehovah in the pre-mortal existence and during his mortal ministry was already way advanced in relation to where Abraham, Issac, and Jacob now reside. And way… way… more advanced then myself.

Most of it does turn over. But not all. And some toxins like lead dont. And some the stuff that we are shoveling into our bodies were never meant to be there. Medications, chemical and genetically modified foods. Its crazy. Watch that video above…

Yup. But they were perfect specimens. No genetic defects. No exposure to toxins during their lifetime. Healthy living and spiritual well being. Women are born with 1-2 million viable eggs. I cant imagine living 900 years and 840 of those with debilitating arthritis… I assume Adam and Even continued making love during their lives. And she probably hit menopause in her 500’s. Moses 6: 10 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his own image, and called his name Seth. 11 And the days of Adam, after he had begotten Seth, were eight hundred years, and he begat many sons and daughters; https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-complex-truth-about-junk-dna-20210901/ What if 98% of our genome is not junk? What if God was able to turn on 5% of the genome of the ancients?

Yup, I agree. Dust to dust. Its all the same stuff. If God can turn Hydrogen into Gold via nucleosynthesis, then He can clothe a spirit with any physical matter He chooses. So many bodies lost at sea or cremated ashes thrown to the winds do not require God to hunt down each particle and piece them back together. Joseph & Hyrum’s remains have been recovered and reburied. D&C 138: 40, 50-51 are pretty good verses to support that Abel is resurrected. Although I’m sure I could wait a few thousand years without a body as long as I was doing something worthwhile and understood the future plans. I see the beauty of delayed gratification.

Nah. Everyone that comes to Earth will be resurrected. Not everyone will be exalted.

Yeah. But Able probably was greeted by Jehovah or was soon visited by him and given a run down of how to run the place and what to expect. Unfortunately, in Spirit Prison, this didn't happen. Fend for yourself. Why are we here? What are the rules? How do I get out of here. Must have been lots of weeping, whailing, and nashing of teeth (spiritually speaking of course). The events in D&C 138 must have been very welcoming to the majority of the inhabitants.

Looks like there were 2 generations before Cain and Able Moses 5:3. But Moses 5:12-16 gives the impression that the first generations did not believe and were lost. It’s likely that Able was the first righteous Son. Able likely was the first death as well. They were of hardy stock and long lived.

Thanks to @JustAGuy and the following statement. I kinda went down a Rabbit hole. Thanks for the out of the box comment. D&C 132:22 For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives... D&C 132:24 This is eternal lives—to know the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. I am he. D&C 132:37 Abraham... Isaac... Jacob... they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. So here are the questions? "Continuation of the lives", what does it mean? Does it mean that they get to continue another type of life? or does it mean that they are now able to create spiritual children? Or both or something else? When did Jesus Christ enter into his exaltation? Before the pre-mortal existance? After the atonement? Not sure... I know that this is esoteric. It's not my fault though, @JustAGuy started it. Anyway, I think it also means that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob have passed thorugh the veil (that the instructional symbolic event that we see at the end of the Temple Endowment was completed by them in its fullest context). Curiously, I don't think that Able entered into his exaltation yet. Cain and Able are really interesting brothers. When Able entered into Paradise, it was empty. There were none of our bretheren there. Likely he was greeted by Jehovah or Heavenly Father and was given extensive instruction as to how to run the place. And that Jehovah would return later as we see recorded in D&C 138. Able has seniority in Paradise and likely continues to do his duty with excellence. I imagine that when Jehovah entered into Paradise that Able was one of the first spirits that He comforted. As for Cain, Moses 5:37 When thou tillest the ground it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength. A fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And from David Patten's account written by Abraham O. Smoot and included in Spencer W. Kimball's book The Miracle of Forgiveness. *(which was essentially required reading of the youth back in my day). We have this esoteric doctrine that Cain is somewhat like a transfigured being in that he cannot die, but unlike the Three Nephites in 3 Ne 28:38, Cain can suffer sorrow and pain, and can procreate. If Cain still walks the Earth, he would be the obvious source of secret combinations. So Able has seniority and leads in Paradise like Cain has seniority and leads his followers here on Earth. If I was a good writer and had the time I would consider writing a fiction novel about Cain and his repentance / redemption that occurs around the mid 1900s. Wherein the mark is lifted and he can once again farm the Earth. He would be a very large and strong man with an abundance of knowledge and wisdom. Hated and persued by the forces of evil. Possibly with a temper that he is learning to keep in check. Not a man that you would like to get into an tussle with. I'd give some background that he was a vegetarian. That he misunderstood Able's intentions. Since fences were probably not a thing back in Cain's day, there probably was some un-intended antimosity between the brothers when Able's heard would wander into Cain's fields and partake. Able probably offered to give Cain some of his heard, but being that he was a vegitarian and irritated with the animals wandering into his land and harvest, Cain wanted nothing to do with Able or his animals. And then one thing led to another...

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I’m torn about voting. I greatly dislike both options. Also, since I live in CA my vote does not matter. Thrilled with 2/3 of Trump’s Justice picks. Democrat supreme court nominees are the pits. I’d rather that foreign nations deal with Trump than Biden or Kamala Harris. Since Pence was on the ticket voting for Trump was less nauseating. Fingers crossed that Trump picks a good VP. I have no hopes for the Democrats…

You mean Cain?

Food Maxx is our new store. Found T-bone steak $6.99 lb Butter 4.99 lb Eggs 6.99 for 18 Need to get a chicken coop…

There must be a single character to represent Khepri. I always mused that since the phrase was used so many times in the BoM that there must be a single character in reformed Egyptian that corresponds with the phrase “And it came to pass”.

I overpaid taxes. Refund coming!

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Figured we needed a positive thread. My son freakin loves his mission. When he got called to Farmington NM I sighed. I hate NM. Got like 3 speeding tickets going thru a 30 mile stretch (NE corner of the state) back and forth from Texas and BYU during undergrad. Total speed trap 65 MPH on Texas side and 55 in MN - and no one lives along the road, its totally abandoned other than dirt, weeds, scrub trees and cops dispensing citations! Anyway, he has been in the Zuni Pueblo for 3-4 months and absolutely loves it. Lots of service (mostly chopping firewood). Confiscating alcohol from the members and the occasional dime bad of cocaine. Had to explain that we don’t take possession of illegal substances. And teaching the gospel. His letters are great. And his attitude is spot on. The ward Sunday attendance has gone from < 10 to over 40. Once again the Lord knows best.

Some of them are obscure. You may not recognize Ultraman, Rainbow Man, Cover Art for Elric of Melnibone, Track & Field game. Bannana Splits. All from my youth. We watched some crazy TV while living in Hawaii from 76-78’

Tomorrow Jan 22 is the Inauguration

Welcome! It sure makes it much easier when a person recognizes that living your life in accordance with gospel principles is more rewarding than not. The Plan of Salvation was designed by God to prevent it from being proved with the scientific method on purpose. The tower of babel didn’t allow men to conquer God. And no telescope or scientific discovery will ever be able to peer behind the veil. But just because you can’t prove the existence of Jesus doesn’t mean that He isn’t there. I’m not aware of any device that can quantify joy, despair, lust, love, remorse, shame, repentance, or forgiveness. Yet I (and you) know that they exist. You can cultivate more spirituality in your life by prayer, reading the scriptures, trying to become more like the master, and providing service to others. It works. It always does if sincere. And there is more evidence that Jesus Christ lived, died, and was resurrected then there is of the Big Bang, Dark Matter, and that Man evolved from pond scum. The following are two Jeffrey R. Holland talks that I recommend for your case. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2013/04/lord-i-believe?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2009/10/safety-for-the-soul?lang=eng

Album covers. Depeche Mode Mute Records 1990 The album covers on the arcade machine all came out during my sojourn in Jr High and High School. I was in already back from my mission and in Undergrad when Violator came out. Great album though. And the cover art was great. This came out after I graduated from HS September 1987

Dont know. Good pick up though. I definitely like the Holy Ghost for the Spirit of the Lord in 1 Ne 11: 1-12 The Angel is curious. Could be the Holy Ghost. Any other Archangel. Or Jehovah himself. The Angel sure does speak as if he is the Savior in a few verses though… I like the similarity between 1 Ne 14: 28, 3 Ne 26: 11 & 3 Ne 28: 25

I love this. Reminds me of one my favorite hymns. Come thou fount of every blessing. “Prone to wander, Lord I feel it Prone to leave the God I love Here's my heart, oh take and seal it Seal it for Thy courts above”