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  1. Pam linked to this meaty article in another thread. It has so much in it that I was hoping to discuss it here, seperately. Salvation of Little Children Anyway, there are a couple things that really brought up questions for me and how I understand the plan of salvation. 1) Salvation and exaltation are the same thing *It seems like I have heard some members say they are not the same. I actually feel that they are the same and think most other Christians view it that way too. I'm open to hearing what you guys think about this. He doesn't state which 3 scriptures are the exception---any ideas? 2) The deaths of children before they reach accountability are controlled by God. *I actually was aware of this idea and the idea that unaccountable people were also planned to be that way in mortality. *Now, could someone explain how this is different than predestination? If God controls which spirits are unaccountable then they are predestined to eternal life and glory. I'm not saying I disagree. It is a very comforting doctrine. I just feel like God allows agency to take its course and that can result in untimely death-also I think he allows nature to take its course. So, he put the plan in motion and things happen because of our agency, nature, the agency of others, etc. He is in control in that he created the plan and set it in motion. Not in making every thing that happens in our life happen. Does that sound right? I'd love to hear any of your thoughts on the article. :)
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    Sealing to baby that passed away?

    Well, I think that the news that you all can be sealed to both sets of parents (eventually) is great and takes the edge off the whole issue. Now, your deceased brother will need to have 2 sets of parents made on the FamilySearch system. That is how the sealings can be done. It will look like his father and stepmom are one set and his mother and stepdad are the other set. I'd suggest going on the new FamilySearch website and taking a look around your family information. You will not be able to access your siblings, but your parents should be able kinda depends on if people are members or not. I would involve the temple recorder near you in the situation and have them walk you through the best way to have the double sealings done for your brother (so that the system accepts the second one). After your parents and you are all passed on then the double sealings can occur for all of you. When I think of sealings I think of chainmail rather than one long chain. Love is what binds us. I will add that your mother is next of kin. It is against church policy to do vicarious work for someone without the permission of their next of kin...that is your mother AND your father must both approve. Doing the work without permission is AGAINST the rules. The reason is that the temple has had too many tears in the office when a child discovers they can't do the work for their own parent or something because someone already did it without asking.
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    Unbiased LDS History?

    I agree that nothing is without bias. The 7 volume History of the Church is good. It is biased and has things left out or added in and was only partially written by JS. However, it contains a LOT of interesting things, both historical and doctrinal. An American Prophet's Record: The Diaries and Journals of Joseph Smith, edited by Scott H. Faulring is fantastic. His bias is that Joseph was a true prophet. He did an outstanding job, IMO, of leaving out his personal bias in editing the journals. Plus, the book is way cheaper than the current project. Hmmm. I think that reading accounts from members who were close to Joseph is very helpful. I'd go with David Whitmer's "An Address to All Believers in Christ" and The Nauvoo Expositor which was written by William Law (in the First Presidency at the time) and others. These might be still considered "anti" so I won't link to them, but a simple search should allow you to read them online. I think finding accounts from other early leaders who left the church is very helpful to seeing many sides of the picture. I would also read the 4 accounts of the First Vision. The original Book of Commandments and compare the changes made in the subsequent printings. I also liked learning when each section was added to the scriptures. I'd read the entire modern D&C, if you haven't. I'd also read The Article on Marriage that was included in the 1835 edition of the BoC. Oh, the Lectures on Faith that used to be in the D&C are good to read, too. You can find them online from what I think is an RLDS site (if memory serves).
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    Misinterpreted scripture in Deuteronomy.

    Previously married women were not expected to be virgins. There are stories within the Bible of women married more than once, so it doesn't seem to be a problem.
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    When is it appropriate to remove your garments?

    Dh was told not to wear them for Basic Training-that is 2 weeks long. Also, for some reason his colored G's were not silkscreened like they were supposed to be. They were stitched. He got a LOT of questions and teasing for it. I'm glad other people have the silkscreened kind!
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    I have a 3 year old boy so I am having a difficult time imagining what a 4 or 5 year old could possibly do that is so bad. I am sorry you feel so awful right now! Guilt can be a terrible master. It is normal for little boys (and grown men, IMO) to explore themselves. Perhaps this is something you can work on privately with a therapist. Only you know what it is that you need. I also agree that if an older child or adult introduced you to things or abused you it is NOT your fault! Please know that! Many survivors of abuse feel guilt. That is normal. Again, therapy might help with that burden. I really think that excommunication is used in cases where someone else was involved-like adultery or abuse. Honestly, if they ex'd everyone who had personal issues (that don't involve others) then we'd lose a LARGE chunk of membership. I could be wrong, though. ((((hugs)))) Good luck to you!
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    Prometrium during pregnancy?

    I have used it. I had my first child, no problems, no complications. Then I had several years where I didn't get pregnant while trying. I got pregnant and m/c'd at about 7 weeks. About a year later I had another m/c at about 9 weeks. The next time I got pregnant (first cycle trying after reading more about fertility and charting) I went right to the midwife and she prescribed Prometrium. I took it and pregnancy went fine. Gosh, that was in 2003/4. A few years later I got pregnant again. Did NOT use Prometrium this time. I did have bleeding at 11 weeks from a uterine hematoma. YIKES! Nothing to do with hormone levels, though. I was able to keep that pregnancy and deliver a healthy baby...breech. So, I am not sure if Prometrium actually helped me stay pregnant or not. I am glad I took it because it made me feel like I was doing all I could. Gave me a little peace of mind. I didn't take it with my last pregnancy because I didn't feel it was necessary for me. If I had felt I should than I would have asked for a scrip. Good luck! Miscarriage is a very traumatic thing to experience. I wish you well and a healthy pregnancy!!!
  8. This is sort of a spin off from the polygamy thread. Joseph Smith once made the comment that animal sacrifice was a right of the priesthood and it was error to think that Christ's death had completely done away with it. It would be reinstated. Here is a link to a talk given by him where he talks about animal sacrifice being reinstated when the temple is complete. So, if animal sacrifice was brought back and practiced in the temple. How many would go to a session? How many priesthood holders would do their duty by slaughtering a lamb or some other animal on an alter? Blood sprinkling and fat burning and all that jazz? I'm also curious, do you think it will be reinstated or was JS mistaken?
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    Would you, could you? Multiple wives and husbands.....

    Then you should definately be careful. I have had my witness, so I feel no qualms. Thanks for the warning though. :) The early church had the EXACT same problems and did it anyway.
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    Animal Sacrifice-Would you participate?

    That's funny!
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    Animal Sacrifice-Would you participate?

    Well, yes. This is found on, History of the Church 4:211 and the article linked in the OP: I also remember learning about the concept in church-probably from seminary on up.
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    Animal Sacrifice-Would you participate?

    I did find that quote on fairlds. Basically, what you said. Would be reinstated for a finite amount of time and then discontinued. All quotes I've read seem to indicate it was OUR priesthood holders that would participate. D&C seems to indicate that, too, IMO.
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    Would you, could you? Multiple wives and husbands.....

    Honestly, sexually transmitted disease scares me, too. I think the stat is 80% of adults have an STD. NO THANK YOU!!! I don't want the added risk. At all. Loudmouth-You're a hoot!
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    Animal Sacrifice-Would you participate?

    It may have been Brigham Young who was confused. There is some indication that he believed that the LDS temple would be a place for animal sacrifice. "The introduction of such sacrifice was suggested by Brigham Young in preliminary remarks on the design for the Salt Lake Temple. However, Brigham Young died before any serious plans for the interior layout of the temple were developed. No such facility was built into the temple. Smith's remarks have some special weight since this sermon was contemplated and written before-hand." In reading D&C 84, it seems that WE are the sons of Moses and Aaron. And the acceptable sacrifice is to happen in the temple at New Jerusalem.
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    Would you, could you? Multiple wives and husbands.....

    Probably the same reason it was done secretly the first go round.
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    Would you, could you? Multiple wives and husbands.....

    No. I actually never thought I would have a problem "sharing" my DH. We've even joked about it with single sister friends and stuff. I have a handicapped sister who will never marry, so I always figured that I would gladly "share" my DH with someone in the afterlife because of that. Now I am a hardcore monogamist. I believe D&C 132 contains false doctrine. Therefore, I would never participate in any form of multiple spouses. However, others are welcome to participate in whatever kind of marriages or relations that they like. If a prophet or leader ever asked for me to secretly marry them, even though I am already married, I'd tell everyone I could. If any of them approached my wouldn't go over well. Hmmm. How do we know it hasn't been brought back already?
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    What would you think of this?

    That is CREEPY! I'm all about the "protection" mode.
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    Temple Recommend Condundrum

    I sorta wish the temple was open to the public (like Kirtland) and only had one question required for ordinances. "Are you worthy to enter?" Obviously there is no solution that would please everyone.
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    What/who is on trial?

    Truth is everywhere. That is what the spirit tells me. Greek myths can be just as true and useful as Jewish myths. Each culture thinks their myths are superior, but they aren't. Why wouldn't the spirit help someone trying to learn truth from Greek myths? My experience is that the spirit can teach the truth of ALL things from ALL sources.
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    Temple Recommend Condundrum

    I think only perfect people should be allowed temple recommends. Just kidding.
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    What/who is on trial?

    Where does this place people who do not get a burning in their bosom or "feel the spirit" in the same way others do? How are they to learn? Or, what if I get that same feeling when I am reading the Greek myths or the Koran? What does that mean? That they are literally true and factual stories?
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    What/who is on trial?

    Interesting. I disagree. I don't believe we are on trial. At least not in the sense that quote gives. God wants us to take a critical look at everything. That is what we are here doing. It's our birthright. He wants us to look at the scriptures critically. That is what they are for. He wants us to discover the truths AND the false doctrines presented in them. Why shouldn't the scriptures be on trial? "Truth has nothing to fear from investigation." Although, the truth can be frightening! Are we really supposed to make people feel like criminals for investigating the scriptures?
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    It seems that "from the foundation of the world" did not occur in "time." It occured in eternity. That or it is a figure of speech used to indicate that something always was.
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    How much does it cost?

    I regret how much debt we incurred putting my DH through college. Deeply.
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    What does "For ever" mean?

    I am wondering why the word "for ever" doesn't actually mean forever when used in the scriptures. Or does it? Now, the actual definition of the word "for ever" is without ever ending, eternal, always, continually, incessantly or endless. If I was a literalist I would be persuaded to believe that I should be keeping the feast of the Passover. Actually, I do plan on doing my own little passover feast this year, but I digress... Why did they say "for ever" if it wasn't really intended forever? Since Moses knew all about Jesus why didn't they say "until the coming of the Son of God" or something like that? There are also many statutes that are given "for ever." Why do we believe that forever actually didn't mean what it said? It seems kinda tricky to put a word that is not the intended meaning.