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  1. Most of you will may find this post upsetting. (Pam and other moderators, please don't delete it.) This time I'm not posting copyrighted church materials. :) The post was going to be in the original bishop's shooting thread. As I was typing, my post seemed to take on it's own character. I decided to post this as new but is related to the shooting of the Bishop in California. I started a long paragraph but realised readers need a bit of background about me to understand my point of view. To make this simple I'll list some quick facts inorder to better understand what I wrote. 01 Parents divorced when I was 2 & father remarried member of the church. 02.He had total 4 sons - 2 from each marriage 03. I was raised by my non-member mother while 3 brothers live with father 04 All brothers and there families are active in church 05 I was baptized in 1989 and was semi-active through the 1990's - eventually had name removed from records due to built up anger with myself and being gay 06 2007 came out to LDS side of family- Decided to give church another try - this time being honest 07 2008 baptized by father and confirmed by a brother. 08 long history of mental health problems and am on disability- I have weekly couseling and take meds. Now for what I typed in the original post. I WANT TO ADD I TRULY FEEL SORRY FOR THE BISHOP'S FAMILY AND THE MEMBERS OF HIS WARD. I'm sure most of you will not like this post. The shooting of the Bishop, in California, is a big release of anger for me. I was Baptized by my father in 2008. Not long after the baptism he passed away due to complications of a stroke. I'm gay & most of my family knows about me. As for church I was "being good and celibate". I became an Elder, attended a baptism session at a temple, and was about to have my first calling in church. Local church leaders knew what I was strugling with. They were also aware of my dysthymia ( constant low-grade depression) and social anxiety disorder. With all those things to deal with, my anxiety increased each time I went to church. I never really fit in. Mainly, because I was not married & had children. The church calling was a behind the scenes clerk job, which involved little interaction with people. I was basicly a loner in a church full of people. I would have continued to fell more anxious as the time went on. Church leaders tried to help but nothing eased my anxiety. I was also denying myself companionship to live a church lifestyle. November 2008, sent me over the edge. I was disgusted with the church's involvement and victory of the passing of Proposition 8. I do not live in California but live in a state where same-sex marriage is legal. To maintain my stable mental health life , I decided to become inactive. This was in February 2009, the same month my father passed away. Anxiety grew to anger towards the church. It was going to rip me apart. Now that I have distanced myself from the church I am much happier than when I was active. Out of respect for my father and brothers I will not seek to have my name removed from the records again. Also I have found my companion, that I've been seeking for all my adult life. As most of you are aware Prop 8 is in the news again. Much of the anger towards the church has started to come up again. Owning the Prop:8 the Mormon Proposition movie on dvd did not help either. AS FOR THE SHOOTING OF THE BISHOP, NEWS STILL DOES NOT INDICATE THE MOTIVE BEHIND THE SHOOTER. IN A STRANGE WAY, THE SHOOTER'S ACTION HAS SOMEHOW RELEAVED MY ANGER. I WAS NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING HARMFUL TOWARD THE CHURCH OR ITS MEMBERS. The shooter's actions was kind of like a "proxy" to vent my frustration. Why he did what he did was wrong and has actions has changed many lives. I do feel bad about the situation even though it somehow helped me. What ever happens in California, regarding the church and Prop 8, I will not let it bother me. My companion and I don't need to be legally married to be happy with each other. But, I will continue to support same sex marriage. I KNOW THE CHURCH PROMOTES NORMAL AND TEMPLE MARRIAGES. The church teaches temple marriages can be for time and eternity. I wish same-sex marriage would not be a problem. Couples would be happy if they chose that avenue. Christianity teaches regular marriages are "till doeath do us part". That would be the case for same sex marriages. I feel that would not interfere with the churches teachings of God's full eternal plan. THOSE LAST FEW SENTENCES HELPS ME COPE WITH THE CHURCH, ANXIETY, PROP 8 AND THE WRONGFUL MURDER OF THE BISHOP. ASTRAL :)
  2. I wonder if this shooting has anything to do with the churches involvement with the Prop 8 issue in California.
  3. astral

    The Bishop

    Is the direct link to the image appropriate for this site and this particular topic?
  4. astral

    The Bishop

    Well can I at least post the link for my subbmission? The link is a photo of what is told to stake presidency and bishoprics on how to handle confidential matters.
  5. I struggled with sexual addiction. I abused the internet looking at porn, ect. I finally got tired of feeling terrible of what I was doing. I discussed the problem with the bishop. He directed me to the church's 12 step addiction program. You may want to look into attending the mettings. I think most church stakes offers the program. If the internet is a major problem, I would refrain from using it during alone times. Go to a public place like a library, to use the internet. You can still use the internet but only for good purposes. Think about those ideas, and also what others have suggested.
  6. First, I want to state that I have no temple clothes and don't plan to do what I'm asking about. I've noticed there are several photographs on the internet showing people wearing their temple clothing. Similar clothing was featured in an episode of "Big Love". I've heard of ex- church members wearing their clothes to costume or halloween parties. Is there any type of law that makes it illegal to wear them in public. For instance, what if a church protester wears the clothing during General Conference? They would not be on church grounds but on a public sidewalk. I once went to a church production held on the Manti temple grounds. There were protesters there as well. But none were wearing the clothing. Obviously I know no worthy member would ever show their full temple clothes outside a temple.
  7. Well I confessed to my Bishop that I'm gay. About 2 years later, I came out to a church member. That member already knew about me because of some church office position he held during the time I confessed. The issue was apparently brought up in a church meeting.
  8. astral

    Fahrenheit 451

    They say books are better than movies. I saw the movie Fahrenheit 451 on tv 22 years ago. I never read the book. I remember nothing of the movie.
  9. California gears up for ruling on same-sex marriage California gears up for ruling on same-sex marriage -
  10. The LDS church asked the members to give their TIME and NEEDS to the passing of Prop:8. Hearing this from the leaders of the church makes the members feel like it's a commandment. They have to follow what the leaders say. The church cleverly used this ploy in a political issue. There is supposed to be a seperation of church & state.
  11. I though the documentary was well made. I'm pleased to see it among the top dvd sellers of it's genre. I was baptized in the church in the summer of 2008. Soon after Prop 8 passed in California, I became angry with the church leaders becoming involved with the political issue. The thought the video showed the manipulation of what the church leaders wanted it's church members to vote on. Yes, the dvd indicates that the lds church was not the only organization involved. I was outraged that California became the first state to take away "rights" to what was granted to it's citizens. Fortunately, I live in a state that still allows same sex marriage. I have the right to marry my partner if when I choose. The lds church says same-sex marriage disrupts God's plan for marriage and the afterlife. I do not agree with that stance. I KNOW there will never be a same sex marriage conducted in any temple. How does a "mortal only" marriage disrupt God's plan? The (till death do us part) portion of the ceremony goes in effect when a partner passes away. In the afterlife, the couple would not be married. Let the partners find the happiness they want during their mortal probationary time on Earth. I'm ashamed to be affiliated with a church that spent millions of dollars to deny some people their "free will" in choosing how and what they do to bring happiness in their lives. Because of all this, I feel the church is only "man-inspired" and therefore no-longer attend services. I'm thankful there are five different churches in my community that does not see same-sex marriage as a problem.
  12. That was fun to read. Of course, not everything can be mentioned, I'm adding a few extra facts for 1970. That was the year I was born. This part may be strange. I am a "Product" of the Spring of 1969. So 1969 is just as important an 1970 to me. More 1970 Facts. 1st Earth day was observed. The Kent State shootings happenned in May. The Beatles broke up. Other movies of that year were Airport & M*A*S*H. Top TV: Flip Wilson Show, Laugh in, Brady Bunch, Marcus Welby MD Most viewed tv program was the Bob Hope in Vietnam Christmas Special (aired in January 1970) Top Album and song was "Bridge over troubled Water" by Simon & Garfunkel The Jackson 5 had 4 #1 songs & The Carpenters went to #1 with "Close to You" These were a few things just from the top of my head. For those of you born in 1970, I hope you enjoyed these additional facts.
  13. There is a documentary about the LDS church's role in the Proposition 8 matter. Here is a link to the films website. 8: The Mormon Proposition