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  1. Kenny


    Good from it is a great practice.
  2. Kenny


    I would like to give it a shot at trying to answer this question, not that there is any expertise here just what has been observed, read about or just guessed at. The first thing that came to mind was something Gerald Lund said in one of his none fiction books. He talked about pray and why we sometimes feel we do not always get answers. He said that God answers all prayers, and if we feel he has not it is for one of three reasons: 1: We are not listening 2: He has already answered that question 3: We are not ready for the answer yet. If a Muslim or any other outside the only true church on Earth should ask is their church true then the answer must reside within 2 because did He not answer that question in the first vision. My cousin, whom is also a close, dear friend, and devout Catholic, went on the defensive when I talked to her about the church as she saw it as a direct threat to her beliefs. Therefore, I changed my approach and talked only about principles, Jesus Christ, family values, subjects she was comfortable with and none threatening. This does not change what is truth it just diplomatically allows discussions to continue. Everybody has something in common it is just a matter of finding it, with Muslim its family values, healthy diets, abstention from alcohol and other damaging substances. They believe, like the Jews, that the messiah is yet to come for the first time. Their faith is strong, stronger than some of those who have the truth me thinks, but that does not change what is true and that one-day they will know that He already has been once and adopted as the figurehead by their archenemies for centuries. Personally, I think it is all in the question rather than the answer. Joseph Smith wanted only to know which of the churches he should join, that question got him the correct answer, none of them.
  3. Kenny


    I do not know of another church that encourages its members to bare their testimonies. There is nothing better to listen to than someone's personal story of how they first knew for a certainty that the church was true, that God lives, and Jesus is the Christ and Saviour of the world. That we have a prophet and apostles and every other office the church Jesus Christ organised two millennia ago. How uplifting and inspiring to hear ones personal challenges being overcome through living the principles taught in the scriptures, encouraged by our leaders and lived by its members. Nothing quiet has the same effect on me than that of a sincere whiteness of truth. So how did you first discover your testimony?
  4. I was in a meeting some years ago when our visiting Apostle was quite rude I thought to a brother that did not speak loud enough. It took me by surprise along with a few others. During the weekend meetings, he seemed to be at odds with the British sense of humour too. It was only later, in a Priesthood lesson last year when it occurred to me that I was looking far to low and only when raising my eyes to Him that he represented did the bad feeling he had created go away.
  5. When I first join the church 23 years ago, understanding and excepting the word of wisdom, not just the letter but the spirit of the law, asked my high priest, high councilman home teaching companion, innocently, how it was possible that a member of the church, even serving on the high council could not only run but own a pub. My companion could not give me an answer, perhaps because he was unaware of it. The member was released from his calling shortly afterwards and his daughter then went on a hate campaign against me that still exist to this day. People have their agency and can make decisions business or otherwise either way but for me and mine we’ll keep clear of pubs especially earning a living from them. if LDS cannot set an example then who can?
  6. It has been most interesting reading people's ideas on this subject and this has helped me understand a few things. Perhaps I look at this too deeply or am missing something but all that comes to mind when pondering on this subject is a loving Father in heaven wanting us to learn an important lesson. There is only one way to gain the joy and happiness in the fullness that He has and the keys to that are contained in the Plan of Salvation. So there has only ever been one plan as has been stated, so why the allowance of another plan if only to be discussed and debated? How often are we in church given things to do and find it to difficult so try a simpler way. How many Bishop's or Stake President's rather than follow the hand book try different ways to work with us? Lucifer had exactly the same opportunity to be our saviour as Jehovah did yet like so many of us faced with something we think is to hard try to improve things by introducing a better way. And how many of us like Lucifer when our plan is rejected take the hump and refuse to do what know we should. For many, repenting restores us back, for some it leads to open rebellion and walking away from the one true church. The answer to the original question I've concluded from this is that while he knew the plan he really did not understand it for had he then his ultimate demise should have change his course. But that is also part of the lesson the Lord is trying to teach isn't it? And why we are to constantly encouraged to warn our neighbour.
  7. Kenny

    This Or That

    Pam there must be some delay because the last post I recieved was the one I responded too.
  8. Satan had no real power over Adam and Eve while they remained faithful to the commandments of God; he was more interested in us or those that would not obey the commandments. This is the great lesson God continues to teach us if we obey the commandments we nullify Satan's power. Satan cannot force us to disobey but he certainly can temp us to forget them once in a while. He understands the plan that we can repent and regain the power to put him behind us so uses his best trick of all to get us to think God does not love us because of our sins or is ashamed of us because He cannot look on sin in the least degree.
  9. Exactly, not much of an adversary with only two of Father's children down here, he needed access to all of us. That is why he had to know the plan, use it against Adam and bring about the fall. Adam would never have partook of the fruit and the only other commandment was to multiply and replenish the Earth not possible until after the fall.
  10. Not knowing the mind of God does not mean he did not understand the plan.
  11. It was said in the class, with confusion I may add, how was it possible that he could aid the plan by beguiling Eve. What is your thoughts on that?
  12. Yes I agree he had to know even be intimate with the details. What are your feelings and understanding of his motivation to come up with an alternitive plan?
  13. Kenny

    This Or That

    Touring Europe I cant Scuba-Dive Enterprise or Voyager