Galatians220

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  1. Those who do not know the Law, in this case, the Gospel, will be judged by their conscience as what Paul said: 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: - Romans 2:12-14 We do say that it is up to God's mercy because those who have died before the coming of the messiah never heard of the gospel. They never went to heaven but after death: 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. ... 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. - John 5:28-28 [Before Grace was salvation by law but even so, none of the OT saints were saved (John 3:13, 1:17)] 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. - Ephesians 3:8 So what does this say about the unbelieving who knows not the gospel? They will have their chance for if the OT saints who have not heard were given the chance in their grave to hear the Son of God, then the later generations who have not heard whether Jew or Gentile will also get their chance. However, if they have heard of it, did not take the opportunity to learn and believe, they are condemned: 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. - John 3:36
  2. Hi Mormon Musician, Evangelical and Protestant Churches use Scripture alone to determine truth thanks to Martin Luther an his predecessors . The biblical bases for this is in 2 Timothy 2:15, 3:15-17 and other passages that indicates the importance of using scripture to judge the truth. For example: The Bereans were more noble than that of the Thessalonians because they recieved him willingly but rather than just taking Paul's words for it, they searched the Scriptures daily to see if it were true (Acts 17:11).
  3. If a believer is sinning, and refused to repent, then s/he should not take part of the Communion; thats what i know for now. However, at least in scripture: 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. - Matthew 18:15-17 .... that is, an unbelieving person.... 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. - 1 John 2:19
  4. A beautiful picture... God says that He rose Jesus from the Dead and that in John 2:19-21, Jesus himself said He will raise himself from the dead as well as the Spirit (Romans 8:11) you can imagine the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all three persons of the Godhead raising the tortured human form from the grave, the final sacrifice to once again be inhabited and provide proof that he did indeed rose again. That's what I think of it :) 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: - Philippians 2:6-9
  5. I'm sorry your church have so many of them. Did they say anything inflammatory about the church? I met a few anti-mormons over at youtube and they absolutely hate the LDS church alleging that Joseph Smith was a Mason, the LDS is Masonic through and through with secret rites etc. One claimed that he was a former member and his reasoning for his attacks is that he doesn't want anyone else to be deceived. Is this the sort of stuff you hear coming out of those impostors? What are those thing they claimed the Mormons believed, but really don't? Does the church pass out cards or books disclaiming those doctrines that they've never advocated? Why has there been so many mistake doctrines?
  6. It's OK, at first glance it does appear to be questioning Rameuptoms testimony. My motivation is to learn the quality and the volumn of his past learning and how that played a role into his conversion. If he was just someone who grew up in church then at least I get to know his church but as for his bible training, if he had none at all, I'll have to look for someone else. She ought to know that not all Mormons are the same. Some are mean, but what church or group that doesn't have a few of them? With me, almost every Mormon I've met are very warm and friendly. It can and I understand. The Catholics experienced that too from every fundamentalist group that claimed to believe in Scripture. I wouldn't be surprised if that is true.
  7. Testimony is a very personal story that only the person him/herself knows, you're right. The only one who knows the horrors and complexities of war is a soldier who has been there, and not an anti-war protester or a journalist.
  8. It's understandable why you don't want to have any debate because what you've experienced as a learning Mormon far exceeds arguments no matter how crafty or convincing. As for the reasons why you've posted, I understand that too. It wasn't what I was looking for but to you, your testimony is the evidence that you do have. If it is alright with you though, can you tell me what you've learned while at Seminary school and if you're willing, or if it is not too personal, can you tell me those questions that your fellow seminarians and teachers failed to answer?
  9. We never really forget scripture when we study them and read the bible front and back. Since you've been in seminary, that's an extra plus for me because if I'm right, your learning might have included Apologetics. So why did you leave out those detail? If many of your questions are based on your bible study as a baptist, and you indeed examined and tested those truths though scripture like the Bereans, then you're just the kind of person I'm looking for. As I said before, there will be no debates and I would love to ask you questions that I have. Can you help me with those questions? God bless :)
  10. I agree, 1 John 4 talks about testing the Spirits so we must be ready. Neither does my Lord condone lies for the sake conversion or victory. Then I will answer them but i will not engage in a debate here. there is another room for that. I trust that that is not your intention. Why do those who claim to believe in the literal truth of the Bible so often claim not to believe that God has a physical body, since the Bible so clearly teaches that he does? 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39 . I didn't know you can have a craving for bacon when you get swine flu LOL don't worry, just watch your intake measure. We use the Greco-Roman system, not because we believe it's the right system but it's just that our culture is influenced by the Romans and the Greeks which is the same with our calender. LOL, no but if you like head-banging you may need something of that sort protect the stuff that enables you to think and make the right decisions in the first place :) I'm not a computer savvy type so I can't help you there Good question, I don't know but ask anyone here, and they'll tell you. What I do know is that Jesus alone is the High Priest in the order of Melchizedek in Hebrews 7 because he is eternal. If that's the way he is, then your argument is what you said it is. Morally, and in general they do but morals alone shouldn't be evidenced of inspiration or else why not include the Koran? Most of the religions share our basic morals because man gained a sense of right and wrong after eating the knowledge of Good and Evil. No but if they're false, they're useful for toilet paper. Don't believe them, if they've made that claim back then, why should you believe them now. However, they may not be the same individual democrats who've made those claim. The joining of the two cites alone doesn't mean the citizenry have a high fertility rate, it simply means they're grouping together so I pick Poorem. He could but what good does that do with anyone? Same with "Can God create a Rock too heavy for Him to carry?" Some of your questions are odd and it doesn't seemed to have anything to do with the topic I set forth but I know there is a reason am I right? Have a good one
  11. Candyprpl, this isn't a place for debates so don't be scared. Your testimony is amazing because you really could have died by the many ways not limited to slitting your wrist. Beforehand, your life as an agnostic before conversion is also amazing because this must be an instance of a "Wilderness Experience" that God had to put you through in order to soften and open you up. the openness of your heart and mind allowed you to have faith despite why you have to be baptized again and as a result you've received the gift of the Holy Spirit I do appreciate you coming here, and sharing your testimony, but it wasn't really what I was looking for. While you have been a Baptist before, you did not convert from the Baptist but from an agnostic. And since you have been an Agnostic most of your the time, how much have you retained from your past learning as a Baptist? I am looking for are Mormons who use to be Evangelicals who knows their bible and the three basic fundamentals that it taught (if it did). Not ones who left disenchanted, disillusioned, or disbelieved, but left by the truth LDS taught according to scripture. Unless you posed questions based on your learning as a former Baptist to those helping you to become and LDS member, your testimony about you joining the Baptist church at the age of 14 is of no use to me.
  12. I've never heard of anyone who would intentionally feign interest and conversion just to discredit the group. I didn't know that was a problem in your church and I hope that none of those impostors are from my own. Real Bible-believing Christians are to be honest and sincere in all things to God and Man. To pretend in order to convert, is not the way of scripture. I assure you that I am not here to pretend, nor to convert. If I am then, I would have already taken part in the debate over the doctrines I'm passionate about. Now I have argued over scripture but only in it's defense, not in the promotion of it. Is there anything else on your mind?
  13. Rameumptom, if you don't want to answer what there before, then just say so. Again, the whole reason why I am here is because I wanted to learn from former Evangelicals/Protestants why they left. It was never my intent to judge them guilty for being weak or unlearned for leaving, but only to learn from them. For those who have left having never read the bible are the ones I am not at all looking for but only those who have been knowledgeable in the bible, even apologetics. Wouldn't you want to If you don't want to answer my questions, then I will simply wait for another to learn from. Now do you want to continue with this?
  14. It's been a while since I've studied there so I don't remember the names perfectly but only what they are essentially. Why are you calling into question, my account?
  15. How did you know that I was going to discredit his testimony by calling him delusional? Do I look like I'm ridiculing him? All I'm asking Rameumptom is his experience and learning as one who use to be in a Non-Denominational church now what's wrong with that?
  16. Sorry I got that confused but ... if we should interpret the story as a parable, what's your point? It is a tree non the less now there's a lot of pictures and pictures can be doctored up. Can you provide me with an actual full size Mustard tree and an article that proves that?
  17. Hey Carl, I actually addressed that kind of question on the very first page of this thread listing scriptures to show that no one is without an excuse if they are given sufficient evidence to believe. Mine is hard to miss because my words and scripture is colored
  18. Thews, what do you think about my post in reply to Carl on the first page?
  19. Your testimony is a nice example of someone who has that void that nothing can fill but after, as done a lot of research and found more evidence of the truth you now hold. But on the experience you had prior to the invitation to meet with the Bishop, were you "saved" as in you've accepted Christ by Faith Alone or you were searching for the truth and you've come by the idea but it meant very little to you? Have heard of the 4 Spiritual Laws? You said that you were in the non-denominational church so what did you do there while you were in that church? Did you join any bible study, were you under someone's wings (Mentored by an experienced seasoned believer, a teacher, or an elder)? Or is it simply that you've just grown up in church?
  20. I agree with PrisonChaplain, there's no mis-understanding of the tone you set on your post; some of your statements were in CAPS and loaded with Exclamation marks. The topic of Hell is a very contentious one to the unbelieving so I myself have taken your post as one of outrage.
  21. Your earlier post states that Jesus made the fig tree to be an enormous size when in actuality, it is small. That is to say that even Jesus' allegory is erroneous on top of every other errors in the Bible. In truth, some are small, but Fig trees commonly are 10-30 feet but can reach 50 feet (1). Jesus' fig tree still holds true. 1. FIG Fruit Facts Note: the Major fig producers listed did not include israel; this is probably due to the boycotting of Israeli products including winery by a largely sympathetic Europe to the Palestinian cause.
  22. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another ; ) - Romans 12:14-15 God will not condemn those who are truly ignorant and prideless but here will be those who deny Christ not because of their ignorance, but because they've ignored sufficient evidence and because of their hearts: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. - John 3:19-20 Because of their pride, and love for their lifestyle, they will deny the truth at any cost, even to create their own truths after their imaginations: 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: - Romans 18-20, 22-24 Even if they saw a miracle, they will not change. In Jesus' Parable of the Rich man and Lazarus: 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. - Luke 16:30-31
  23. Are you saying ALL of them or at least half of them? You're not very careful in making any distinctions. If I recall correctly it was mostly the Protestants who wanted the Printing press in order to bring the bible to the common man. They also want the bible to be written in their own tongue. I've posted a reply to you about the size of the fig tree as well as your last post on "The Bible is so Confusing" how about stopping by and answer those? As for the question at hand, I agree with RiversideGuy and AnthonyB. It's done out of Political Correctness and it does reek havoc with the clearly male imagery and that it will damage the people's trust in the Word of God
  24. Well why didn't you say so? So you use to believe in all three that I've listed? How long have you been *"Saved" before your conversion to the LDS? Does your church lean towards Arminianism, Calvinism, or in the middle? How much have you read and know the Bible before your conversion? And have you had any training or study in Apologetics prior to your conversion? *Some believe in Eternal Securuty while others believed that one can walk away from salvation. Some believed that God predestines and some don't. Non-denominationals are a range of every denominational and theological influence. NDs de-emphasize Church names because it's not in the Bible and to avoid "I am of Paul; and I of Apollos and I of Cephas and I of Christ" (1 Corinthaisn 1:10-14). Many of these churches are Evangelicals because they stress the spreading of the Gospel and its fundamentals.
  25. Were you an Evangelical or a Protestant before you became a Mormon?