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  1. 21 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

    Of course, I never attended the ceremonies being referenced, but one of the big differences I have encountered in interpreting biblical stories (between church members and traditional Christians) is that of Adam & Eve's fall. Without divulging the sacred, can someone confirm if the key difference is whether or not Adam & Eve truly fell--truly and intentionally rebelled against God's command by eating the fruit? I've been told by a few at this site that Adam & Eve valiantly made their decisions so that we could all experience free agency (or as I understand it, free will). In contrast, most of us traditionalists believe that Adam & Eve committed grave sin, because the serpent promised them they could be like God, and lied, saying God would not kill them for disobeying. To my thinking, whether Adam & Eve are historical or allegorical, the main issue is whether "they" achieved free agency for us or set us up for rebellion and the need for redemption.

    Satan, as is his wont did not directly outright lie to Adam and Eve.  He knew they wouldn't physically die immediately, he knew that in the garden, they could never become like gods, knowing good and evil.  Of course these were half truths.

    Also he had no access to them in a spiritual sense because he was unable to corrupt their descendants.  There could be no descendants.

    So Eve "eats" the apple.  Somehow this transgression transformed her understanding about life and also changed her physically.  She communicated this to Adam.  The Lord, blocked their access to the tree of life, because had they eaten of that, they likely would have become immortal at that point without chance of repentance.

    LDS do not refer to Eve's eating the apple as a sin.

    Satan did not inform them that they would be subject to the second death, which is exclusion from the Lord's presence.  But God had a plan to bring them back.  They could repent, they could indeed become like the gods, knowing good and evil.  And yes, eventually enter into the presence of God again.  Even better from God's POV their posterity (which they couldn't have in the garden), would have the same chance Adam and Eve had.

    So yes, they did deliberately set us up with free agency and the need for redemption.  God needed them to enter into a corrupt state so that His children could follow in Adam's footsteps.  None of the Saving that goes on could have happened without the Fall of Adam.

    The LDS don't regard Adam and Eve as sinners.  But they did have to transgress God's commands to lead us to our present condition.

  2. On 12/12/2018 at 12:25 PM, EllieBelle2015 said:

    I’m in my senior year at Brigham Young University-Idaho and I’ve recently been dating a young man who is also a senior. We’re both starting to worry that if we don’t find a spouse now, we’ll never find a spouse. Because of this, there’s a lot of pressure to commit.

    I enjoy spending time with him, but we’ve had some trouble communicating our expectations and needs, and it’s resulted in us breaking up once already. We both recognized that we needed to spend more time getting to know one another and less time cuddling, etc. 

    We ended up getting together last night, just to communicate and connect on a personal level. The evening ended in the pushing of the boundaries of the Law of Chastity. 

    We talked about it this morning and both agreed that it can’t happen again. I like this young man, but I don’t feel an emotional connection with him. I’m attracted to him physically, but not emotionally. 

    I don’t know if I need to break this relationship off completely. I don’t want to hurt him, but I don’t know that I’ll ever love him, because I’m not emotionally available due to being hung up on a past love. If I stay with him, I’m afraid it would be purely physical and pushing the boundaries would lead to us eventually breaking the Law of Chastity completely. 

    What do I do?

    Based on the information provided you should end the relationship. Physical attraction is not enough. 


    You are young and will meet many others that can qualify as a good spouse. 

  3. On 12/15/2018 at 12:33 PM, 2ndRateMind said:

    Hmmm. I rather think that if the situation were reversed, and only 3 Caucasians were CEOs of fortune 500s, you would be kicking up a stink all round. And, it may surprise you to learn, were that to be the case, I would endorse that stink whole-heartedly. But it isn't. So I don't.

    Best wishes, 2RM.

    PS. Oh, and by the way, that's me done for the night. But by all means talk amongst yourselves. Sweet dreams!

    Disraeli said there are lies, damned lies and Statistics. 


    You seem to to be stumbling into the statistics category with your assumptions. 


    But pretty good trolling. This has done seven pages!

  4. On 12/6/2018 at 1:31 PM, unixknight said:

    So apparently we're supposed to be up in arms, both liberal and conservative, because the President didn't recite the Nicene Creed at George Bush's funeral.

    Am I the only one who just. does. not. care?  

    I wouldn't have recited it either.  Some of the statements in the Creed do not conform with what I believe as a member of the LDS Church.  In my view, to recite a creed you don't believe in, even for ceremonial purposes, is just lying. 

    Maybe that's why the President didn't.  Or maybe he was just being rude.  Either way, I just can't work up any outrage over this.  Frankly, if I had to pick something to be annoyed about, it's that the Clintons' tongues didn't burst into flames when they DID recite it.

    So maybe none of them believe in the Creed.  So what?  At least Trump was being honest.

    I dunno.  I'm tired. 

    I think it was the Apostles creed. FWIW I don’t know it either. 

  5. I've seen a lot of stuff.  Your feelings are very normal IMO and everyone on this forum has shared them from time to time.  Life can be hard.

    BUT, the grass is not greener. 

    Seems like you have a decent wife. 

    That's better than most.  You have a child and breaking up a family would be a tragedy just to fulfill your selfish desires for "love".  That sort of "love" does not really exist.

  6. On 10/30/2018 at 7:49 AM, NeedleinA said:

    Here we are. We can help supplement your Church family.
    Your church family may morph over time, but a church family and church involvement can still be found.
    I've moved about 30 times in my life, each ward being different. Change happens.
    Change can be hard... we adapt to it because we "love Christ" and this is his Church.
    Did Pres. Nelson make the changes because "he" wanted to OR was he and the Quorum of the 12 moved upon that the Savior is guiding "his" Church in this direction.
    Are you upset at Pres. Nelson OR are you upset he is following the Saviors guidance?

    I think you are missing the OP’s point. The sociality of the Church is a big reason why people attend. This applies to people who are not single as well. The sociality is much reduced with the changes made. I feel it myself, and I’m married. 

    I know that during the second hour, a lot of people attend Sunday school in the hallways to gain this sociality. 

  7. On 10/15/2018 at 3:28 AM, JohnsonJones said:

    They are both measurement systems created by men.

    The worst part about metric is that gas companies then try to sell gas to you by the liter, and if you think gas is expensive in price per gallon, you haven't seen how much it can be jacked up when they charge you by the liter. 

    It could be that it is the US automobile industry (which sells a LOT of trucks, which use a LOT more gasoline/mile than smaller vehicles) is one of the reasons that we do not switch over to metric.

    All US cars use metric measurements. Just saying. 

  8. On 10/6/2018 at 6:00 AM, Fether said:

    I think they will suffer according to the hate and understanding they had in them, not so much according to the person they killed.

    The Jews were given a clear choice as to whom to forgive. And they forgave a murderer.   That’s heavy. 


    The Carthage mob was largely ignorant IMHO. Of course, some acted with knowledge, but I perceive a distinct difference. 

  9. On 10/19/2018 at 9:14 AM, Morgaine said:

    Thank you all for your input. 

    He refuses to take medication anymore and completely believes that he’s not bipolar. So it makes things harder with this mindset. It’s hard seeing him bounce between the Godly, amazing person that I got to know and the sex crazy, secretive person that I’ve been dealing with. 

    If counseling does not your problems, move on. 


    Its just a waste of time to do anything else. 

  10. On 9/24/2018 at 9:28 AM, Traveler said:

    The critical mistake is - historic of what and where?  Concerning the history of the Arabia and Jerusalem 2,000 years ago as Lehi and family traveled in Arabia - I can agree is historic and offer other witness to validate my own but from Arabia to the Americas - I do not think anyone can even say with authority that Lehi and company (if anyone was converted along the way or even if Jewish decent were the majority) went east or west to arrive in the Americas and arrived where and then occupied what territory - any suggestion is speculation and guess - and such speculation and guess should not be claimed as historic (accurate history) from which we can claim this place or this artifact (including DNA) was part of Book of Mormon history or historic of something else.  

    To claim something is historic and not know of what, is a "critical mistake".  When a witness is made - it must be accurate or it creates the impression that the witness is invalid. 


    The Traveler

    Here is an historical fact about the Book of Mormon. The plates from which it was translated, were found in New York on the North American continent. 

    It’s true that we don’t know where Lehi’s group landed. But the plates are evidence that he did. Therefore to disregard the history of the Book of Mormon is not logical. 


    FWIW, I don’t think we are ever going to find a building anywhere that has a carving in it that says Nephi slept here. 

  11. 6 hours ago, Rob Osborn said:

    Couples who enter into and keep separate bank accounts is usually a sign of lack of trust and seeing their relationship input equally.

    Lots of reasons for separate accounts. Especially with both spouses working outside the home. 

    I live in a community property state. What’s mine is hers and what’s hers is mine. So the supposed separation is academic. 

    Im a big advocate of separation of checking accounts. My wife and myself are polar opposites as to how funds should be managed. 

  12. A moving arm signal is a semaphore. A smash board is meant to get an engineers attention when he overruns a signal in a station. 


    Grade crossing arm comes to mind on the other  


    AFAIK, English has more words than any other language. Of course, not everything is covered.