mrmarklin

Debt is a valuable tool, handled properly.  Today's rates are especially attractive for automobiles and real estate.
 
i would never pay cash for a vehicle in today's environment of sub three percent interest.  It would be stupid to pay cash in today's investment environment where one can easily make more than that.
Similar with housing, although here in the SFBay area, the market is very overheated right now.  One must be cautious.
 
Consumer debt is of course to be avoided for non necessities. 
Business debt is probably beyond the scope of this discussion, but used wisely is the basis of all modern business,
 
no, debt is certainly not a sin. The Church's counsel is wise:. Avoid consumer debt. 

I answered without reading all the posts.
i had to smile a little.
I see that I live on a different plane than most of you.  One thousand dollar cars?  My payment is $1,252 per month!  You can only imagine the insurance and maintenance on a vehicle like this. No, I don't do my own repairs. Actually, I changed the air filter once.  $85 for the filter.  Labor was free!
I wont embarass myself  by discussing my housing costs. 
 
But.......no consumer debt.

Berlin has apparently been taken over by Currywurst restaurants. It used to be just a selection among many. There's even a Currywurst museum!
Munich's a great city. Did you know that the second largest (by sales) McDonald's restaurant is located at the Stauchus? Too true. Better you go to Augustiner for down home German food. Dallmayr's on Residenzstrasse for Gourmet delights! Best deli in the world AFAIK. Upstairs for the restaurant.
Great museums here.

We seem to have gone far afield here.
To the OP, ther are plenty of non abused young women to marry. Marry one of them. Trust me, it's a lot easier.
Knowing what I know now about people who have been abused as children, I would have never married my wife. It's a hard road. Not only will you be affected, but so will your children. Think of them, if nothing else.

In the OP, the son is not even supporting himself. Your comment is facetious.

That too, I suppose. I guess I've stumblied into some kind of Zone here. Not only the son has no apparent means to provide himself certain basics, but I'm told that by adding a wife he will somehow be able to take care of her as well as himself.
Sounds like drivel.

I'm in Berlin now. I just did Berlin Walks which is a take off on the original London Walks. Spent most of the time east of the wall, which pre WW2 was the cultural and governmental part of Germany. Very interesting. Our guide was a history Student of Humboldt university in Berlin. Saw the wall or what's left of it, and many other very cool sights. In a few years the former Imperial palace will be restored, then I'll return.
Off to Munich tomorrow.

I personally wouldn't take offense at that particular joke. They were just trying to add additional realism to the movie.
AFAIK, and I've read most of his books, Heilein was an admirer of the church. He always saw it as a cohesive group standing on the correct side of an issue. I think the writers of the movie (which has the delicious Denise Richards in it) maybe took a little much license,
As for me personally, all my best friends are not members. So take this joking with a grain of salt. I'll give as good as I get in this joking area.

You are, in effect, doing this. Typically the prize has been donated. I never have any expectation to win (and I never have!). I look at it as a donation only.

You are, in effect, doing this. Typically the prize has been donated. I never have any expectation to win (and I never have!). I look at it as a donation only.

In General, this. If one cannot support a wife, one has no business marrying.

I'm leaving for Germany the 21st. Heading to Berlin before going to the Toy Fair.
Will only be passing thru Cologne for a train change so I shouldn't have any problems. I'm a guy anyway.:-)
Hopefully the Munich train station will be open when I get there on the 25th!

Thanks for the report! I decided to go to Nuremberg on the spur of the moment! I'm invited to the annual Toyfair exhibition held at the end of January each year. My hobby is model trains, so it's a fairly big deal since the fair is normally only open to trades. I'm getting a special pass.
Sorry you didn't care for the Christmas market there. Of course they're always crowded. Even though Germans seem very secular, they do get into their religious holidays!
I'll be staying mostly in Munich (impossible to get a room in Nuremberg during the fair), but may get as far north as Hamburg. The biggest model train layout in the world is there.;-)

Go to Costco and buy restaurant quality kitchenware. You'll have it for the rest of your life. Not cheap.

I'm sorry but if one can take on the responsibility of getting married, one can take on their own financial responsibilities.   Just my opinion.

We can't judge others. Everyone lives in a different situation economically as well as socially and location. All these factors (and more) enter into the when and how many children a couple may have.

Not really enough info to give you any kind of decent advice. We're only seeing your side, and you have omitted mention of any children except very obliquely.
Have tried marital counseling? I'd check it out.

When I think about members today, I mostly think about the Pharisees back in Christs time.  It seems to me that now a days we focus sooooo much on the letter of the law, and forget why we have it.  The law was made for Man, not the other way around.  I, like everyone else is guilty of this, but it seems like we have bought into that we were made for the law.  Just my 2 cents.

I go to Germany every year.  IMHO it is the safest country in Europe. 
 
In Nuremberg, see the Christmas markets and the National transportation museum near the train station.  Try the Nuernberg sausages with sauerkraut at the HeiligerGeist (Holy Ghost) restaurant in town.  Go to Lebkuchen Schmidt in the Pedestrian zone for the best in the world cookies and pastry.  Very German.
 
All this is walking distance.
 
Yeah, I'm a fan. :)

Nine months pregnant!  I'm a guy, but I still feel her pain...............

Some of you don't get out much.
 
I've travelled extensively in the US and Central Europe.
 
By and large, the people I've met are good, kind and helpful.  Go almost anywhere in the US, even New York and people are trying to be friendly and nice.
 
Is there crime?  Of course, but it's still a very small minority.  Nothing like one sees on the daily news shows.

When I was in a bishopric many years ago and the meetings seemed to last forever, I would pre arrange to have someone call me on my cellphone at a pre determined time.  Then, I could gracefully leave to handle the "problem or emergency".
 
Sounds crass, but after my time in another church organization whose leader would not control the time element, I made a decision to never accept a church calling where I couldn't control the meetings.  This stuff can really get out of hand.
 
So I sympathize with Lilly in the meeting element.  The above is a suggestion on how to control it.

Check this out:
https://www.lds.org/music/library/hymns/if-you-could-hie-to-kolob?lang=eng

The idea that what this man said is any sort of sin is ludicrous and dignifies no reply.

The idea that what this man said is any sort of sin is ludicrous and dignifies no reply.