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I didn't read this whole thread but I'm sure it's been pointed out that wearing a mask is not as much a matter of taking care of your own health as it is watching out for others'.

This family has FOMO like none other. And not much medical knowledge. 82 year old finished chemo six months ago. Just wants everyone else to be happy. The rub is that the organizer family member who personally knows the owner of the condo refuses to ask for a refund. We’ve all paid dearly into this and would lose big money. So because she still wants to have her vacation, (as well as 82 yr old and a couple others) the rest of us are obligated, or at least look like scared ninnies if we opt out. She says she’d refund us but she doesn’t have that much money.

No I don’t! The family is doggedly going ahead with it. Apparently they fasted and prayed about it and felt they could still do it.

We’ve had a reunion planned for 6 months. A very large condo reserved for 37 people to all stay together for 4 nights. Scheduled for the last week of July. Would you still do it? Or cancel? One person Is over 80. One person over 60 and all the rest are between 9 months and 58 years.

Just found out Elder Holland is in the hospital. Not COVID 19. Praying it’s something he can recover from!

https://youtu.be/RIYafkjQVn8 I found this video with Elder Holland talking with a Jewish rabbi. It explains some of my questions about where our leaders have been lately and why we maybe haven’t heard as much from them as we would have wanted. This is where Elder Holland is personally. In my mind it really helps me to see him not just as a leader that I have all kinds of expectations for, but as an individual and fellow passenger on this crazy COVID ship we’re on. It humanizes our leaders which is humbling to me. I appreciate them more after listening to this and don’t feel so demanding of them. Basically this is a time of “renewal” for them. It’s almost a blessing of down time for them. About halfway through at min 27 or 28 it takes a more theological turn. I haven’t finished listening to that part.

That’s good to know.

I was just hoping you’d keep the depth on the other thread. I simply wanted to know why Church leaders seem quieter than usual right now- as in the last few months and especially the last few weeks. Probably because of the quarantine and they aren’t in public gatherings and meetings where they would be quoted in the news. There. Answered my own question. I cant even begin to want to read all this yammering on the tangents you’ve gone off on, not once but twice. Start your own thread if you want to go down some extraneous rabbit hole. I’d appreciate it if you’d not do it on the relatively simple questions I’m asking. But I’ve got to say you hooked some whopper fish with your bait. 🙄

It sort of grew it’s own wings and flew away while I was otherwise occupied.

Hijacked again. 😩. I was looking for a much simpler discussion.

Perhaps another helpful message would be that to accuse others of racism, simply because you see everything through that prism, can be damaging to those you are accusing. A message about being patient with each other’s imperfections and switch up your focus if you really believe everyone is out to demean you. There probably have been messages about this sort of thing over the years but it would be appreciated by many to hear it now, whether it’s in the form of a social media post or even an official statement. Members need to rise above this kind of mentality. And that includes a whole bunch of white skinned folks, too. Essentially, get over it and do something more Christ-like than forEVER looking for something to be offended about.

Maybe more concerning current racial problems. I recently saw a tweet from a Church related group and it was as all complaints about how racist the Church is. I was frankly disappointed 1) If there is racism going on, Why??? and 2) That there are people in the church that seem to be looking for racism. We are expected to forgive our trespassers- of which there were many in our history. Shouldn’t the whole race and slavery stuff in the Church’s past be forgiven, too? I can’t think of a single reason anyone should feel we are still racist.

No, you clearly comandeered the ship and sailed off in a different direction. My question was not about whether the youth of the church are stalwart or about crying at the pulpit.

About all the difficulties of 2020, do you feel we’re getting enough direction from our Church leaders? Or would you prefer more? We aren’t Israelites so I don’t expect them to tell us every little thing we should be doing and thinking, for instance to wear a mask or not, to protest or not... we all have to use our best judgement. But I sense a lot of angst and infighting between church members concerning these societal issues. It might be good to get some reassurance or more specific instruction about how to handle the fall out from all this.

I might try asking my question again in different words on a different thread because this one got so off track from the get-go that it’s irretrievable at this point.

Both my husband and I are return missionaries. Both our sons served missions. Both are BYU graduates. Now both our sons are agnostic less than a decade after their missions. We did everything right in raising them. 🤷‍♀️

I declare a hijack! 🤨

I’m 61. Some of my earliest memories are from testimony meetings that I didn’t want to go to because people cried. I had a brother die when I was three and I learned that crying meant sadness. So I thought we were going to sad meetings every month. Point is, this kind of emotion didn’t just start recently. I think it has always been the case. 🤷‍♀️

I agree that they were pretty direct back then. No political correctness needed. But the emotion I see these days feels genuine to me. I don’t believe for a second it’s manipulation of any kind.

I may have missed them but have there been specific directions or counsel coming from the first presidency in how we should be dealing with all the commotion lately (other than President Nelson’s statement that looting and destruction are no-no’s and loving all colors of skin is a yay) ? The reason I ask is because the millennial generation continues to post bleeding heart devotion to BLM, we’re all shameful racists with our White privilege, and “cops are corrupt“ kinds of things on social media. “Good” LDS kids posting avalanches of this stuff. Conservative news outlets and You Tubers are coming down hard with fiery arguments on the gaping holes in these theories. Vigano from the Catholic Church has sent a warning to Trump about those that are trying to destroy our country and world. In comparison, the words of our leaders seem a little tepid to me. I don’t expect them to get involved in all the prickly political controversies but as the dark side gets continually louder as we progress into the last days, I wonder if the Church might need to turn up the volume a little lest it’s voice gets completely drowned out. Some direct pulpit pounding needs to happen IMO to catch the attention of the younger woke generations being swept up in these divisive movements.

I haven't kept up with this whole thread. I didn't know your son stayed in the Phillipines. What was the big to-do about with the airport scene then? I thought you said your whole familiy was going to pick him up.

Gracias!

There is still an extra one. 🙈

For pity sakes! will one of the mods please remove two of my posts above? I kept punching submit on my phone because it looked like it wasn't going through.😜

I couldn’t understand what he was saying through his megaphone. Anyone else understand it?