JoshThetford1969

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  1. Thanks Pam. I'm beginning to like this place already.
  2. In Genesis and the parallel accounts in Moses and Abraham is a brief record of the creation of the earth and of man who would dwell on it. It is a simple and straightforward account. Although we are not told exactly how the Lord brought about the creative processes, we are taught several essential concepts. First, God, the Father of all men, instituted the creation of the world as a place for men to come to mortality and progress toward their eternal destiny. Second, man is the offspring of deity. Third, the world was not created by chance forces or random accident. Fourth, Adam was the first man and first flesh on the earth. Fifth, Adam fell from a state of innocence and immortality, and his fall affected all life upon the earth as well as the earth itself. Sixth, the Atonement of Jesus Christ was planned before the world was ever created so that men could come to a fallen earth, overcome death and their sins, and return to live with God. In the world another theory of how things began is popularly held and widely taught. This theory, that of organic evolution, was generally developed from the writings of Charles Darwin. It puts forth different ideas concerning how life began and where man came from. In relation to this theory, the following statements should help you understand what the Church teaches about the Creation and the origin of man. 'It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth, and that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declares that Adam was 'the first man of all men' (Moses 1:34), and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning after the image of God; and whether we take this to mean the spirit or the body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a human being, in the likeness of our Heavenly Father.' (First Presidency (Joseph F.Smith, John R.Winder, Anthon H.Lund) in Clark, Messages of the First Presidency, 4:205. 'Any theory that leaves out God as a personal, purposeful Being, and accepts chance as a first cause, cannot be accepted by Latter-day Saints.... That man and the whole of creation came by chance is unthinkable. It is equally unthinkable that if man came into being by the will and power of God, the divine creative power is limited to one process dimly sensed by mortal man.' (Widstoe, Evidences and Reconciliations). 'I am grateful that in the midst of the confusion of our Father's children there has been given to the members of this great organization a sure knowledge of the origin of man, that we came from the spirit world where our parents were begotten by our Father in heaven, that he formed our first parents from the dust of the earth, and that their spirits were placed in their bodies, and that man came, not as some have believed, not as some have preferred to believe, from some of the lower walks of life, but our ancestors were those beings who lived in the courts of heaven. We came not from some menial order of life, but our ancestor is God our Heavenly Father.' (George Albert Smith, in Conference Report, Oct.1925, p.33.) 'Of course, I think those people who hold to the view that man has come up through all these ages from the scum of the sea through billions of years do not believe in Adam. Honestly I do not know how they can, and I am going to show you that they do not. There are some who attempt to do it but they are inconsistent - absolutely inconsistent, because that doctrine is so incompatible, so utterly out of harmony, with the revelations of the Lord that a man just cannot believe in both. '....I say most emphatically, you cannot believe in this theory of the origin of man, and at the same time accept the plan of salvation as set forth by the Lord our God. You must choose the one and reject the other, for they are in direct conflict and there is a gulf seperating them which is so great that it cannot be bridged, no matter how much one may try to do so... '... Then Adam, and by that I mean the first man, was not capable of sin. He could not transgress, and by doing so bring death into the world; for, according to this theory, death had always been in the world. If, therefore, there was no fall, there was no need of an atonement, hence the coming into the world of the Son of God as the Saviour of the world is a contradiction, a thing impossible. Are you prepared to believe such a thing as that?' (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation,1:141-42.) Pages 33-34 Old Testament Student Manual. 'Points to Ponder.' Hope this helps. Josh.
  3. Thank's for the welcome. I read one of your posts about going back to church before I read this. I hope you don't mind me asking but how did you find it?
  4. Hallo Louie. I'm new here too so let's see who can rack up the most posts.
  5. Hallo LDS.NET people. I just signed up and so this is my first post. I am a LDS and I am hoping that I can make some good new friends here. Most of my time is taken up doing Temple work for my deceased family members and fellowshipping with the missionaries. I keep a regular journal and I study my scriptures on a daily basis. I attend Church each and every Sunday here in Liverpool UK and I strive to keep all of the laws of the gospel. I have a strong testimony that Jesus is the Saviour, Christ and Redeemer of mankind, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the Lord's Church and that Thomas S.Monson is his Prophet. Looking forward to my experience here, Josh.