mordorbund

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    mordorbund reacted to Jamie123 in A message to Shania Twain...   
    He's got a good voice. I think I prefer the D***e Chicks' version though.
     
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    mordorbund got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Temples And Protection   
    Thanks for engaging. It sounds to me like Roman Catholics acknowledge that some of the principles taught through temple worship (such as the atoning death of the Messiah) continued to be taught but now used different symbols. Additionally, some forms of worship that revolved around the temple and feast day sabbaths were "democratized" (there's probably a better word for it) into local community worship. John recognized the messianic symbolism of the Paschal meal, but Christ introduced the Lord's Supper for remembrance. On top of that, those things that survived the transition from the Law of Moses (specifically priesthood) carried over some of the liturgical practices and symbols. But even in this case, some were modified to reflect the new covenant. 
    Please let me know if I've gotten anything wrong.
    For Latter-day Saints, we believe that many of the principles taught in the temple continue to be taught. Some of these principles (such as the atoning death of the Messiah, man's ascent through grace, and the return to God's presence) continue to be taught in modern temples but use different physical symbols. Some temple practices have been democratized so more of the community may participate (as you noted with women participating in the ordinance alongside those with the Melchizedek priesthood) and so that they may be performed within the community (such as the sacrament example used above and our solemn assemblies). Some symbols still carried over (for instance, some of our temples have a holy of holies apart from the celestial room) but even in this case, they have been modified to reflect the new covenant (others may enter the holy of holies, but it will only be under the direction of the presiding high priest).
    Additionally we have other practices that have been restored that have been placed under the umbrella of temple worship. For example, we perform baptisms for the dead in the temple because we have a revelation specifically telling us that it should be performed in the temple. The revelation notes that if the saints are too poor to have a temple then they may perform it elsewhere. We find mention of baptisms for the dead in the New Testament and suppose that the former saints had this practice. I don't think anyone claims that it was ever performed in the Jerusalem temple, and if you'd like we can discuss that as a follow up.
    I may be in the minority here, but I think some elements of our temple worship are original to our day but still rightfully belong in the temple. That is, even if we had all the secret records and the oral traditions of the Jerusalem temple we still wouldn't find these practices. The Nauvoo temple was built so the Lord could "reveal unto my church things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world, things that pertain to the dispensation of the fulness of times." Because we don't have a closed canon, modern deuteronomists can update temple worship practice in accordance with the Lord's authority and revelation.
    Hope this helps.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from JohnsonJones in .   
    This is what got me thinking on the idea:
    It's part of an essay B.H. Roberts wrote in the introduction of History of the Church, vol. 4.
    It would give cities more power within their states, and possibly on the national level, but would separate their interests from the rest of the state.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from JohnsonJones in .   
    What do you think about granting city-state status to cities that grow sufficiently large? Give them their own electoral votes separate from the rest of the state, and their own Representatives but maybe no Senators (consistent with today)?
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    mordorbund got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Temples And Protection   
    Thanks for engaging. It sounds to me like Roman Catholics acknowledge that some of the principles taught through temple worship (such as the atoning death of the Messiah) continued to be taught but now used different symbols. Additionally, some forms of worship that revolved around the temple and feast day sabbaths were "democratized" (there's probably a better word for it) into local community worship. John recognized the messianic symbolism of the Paschal meal, but Christ introduced the Lord's Supper for remembrance. On top of that, those things that survived the transition from the Law of Moses (specifically priesthood) carried over some of the liturgical practices and symbols. But even in this case, some were modified to reflect the new covenant. 
    Please let me know if I've gotten anything wrong.
    For Latter-day Saints, we believe that many of the principles taught in the temple continue to be taught. Some of these principles (such as the atoning death of the Messiah, man's ascent through grace, and the return to God's presence) continue to be taught in modern temples but use different physical symbols. Some temple practices have been democratized so more of the community may participate (as you noted with women participating in the ordinance alongside those with the Melchizedek priesthood) and so that they may be performed within the community (such as the sacrament example used above and our solemn assemblies). Some symbols still carried over (for instance, some of our temples have a holy of holies apart from the celestial room) but even in this case, they have been modified to reflect the new covenant (others may enter the holy of holies, but it will only be under the direction of the presiding high priest).
    Additionally we have other practices that have been restored that have been placed under the umbrella of temple worship. For example, we perform baptisms for the dead in the temple because we have a revelation specifically telling us that it should be performed in the temple. The revelation notes that if the saints are too poor to have a temple then they may perform it elsewhere. We find mention of baptisms for the dead in the New Testament and suppose that the former saints had this practice. I don't think anyone claims that it was ever performed in the Jerusalem temple, and if you'd like we can discuss that as a follow up.
    I may be in the minority here, but I think some elements of our temple worship are original to our day but still rightfully belong in the temple. That is, even if we had all the secret records and the oral traditions of the Jerusalem temple we still wouldn't find these practices. The Nauvoo temple was built so the Lord could "reveal unto my church things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world, things that pertain to the dispensation of the fulness of times." Because we don't have a closed canon, modern deuteronomists can update temple worship practice in accordance with the Lord's authority and revelation.
    Hope this helps.
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    mordorbund reacted to NeedleinA in Push for Utah to mandate statewide mask wearing   
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    Just checking the trigger level of the thread thus far.
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    mordorbund reacted to Jonah in Temples And Protection   
    The cross became the earliest symbol.  I believe any rituals and / or practices which they practiced
    are spoken of in scripture although some arose later out of human traditions.
    Several components of the Old Testament system became incorporated into the Roman Catholic
    system. Priests, garments, some washings, the altar, incense, and the holy of holies (where 
    the eucharist is kept until it is needed).  
    More is described here
    http://www.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html
    http://catholicfaith.co.uk/
    Politics became intertwined with religion in the Roman Empire.
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    mordorbund reacted to Carborendum in Police Reform   
    Yes.  I like that about the federalist system we have.
    What I was pointing out is that traffic stops are often a very dangerous operation for the officer.  He often has no idea whom he's up against.  So, for an unarmed "citizen" to approach people in that setting, in a city with one of the highest crime rates in the country...  But if it works, great.
    Yes, they'd like to get rid of "pretextual stops".  This is intended to reduce racial profiling.  But there is a very valid reason to use pretextual stops.  
    Here in my town that I live in, we have a major thoroughfare where we experience a high volume of drug traffic.  Not that the citizens of the town use a lot of illicit drugs.  But because it is out-of-the way, it is often used as a place to meet and exchange drugs.   The street is broad and long with a high speed limit with relatively low traffic.
    All the citizens of the area know not to speed down this 10 mile stretch of road.  But those who don't live here are more prone to speeding here.  The police chief said that he's doing this to make it so inconvenient for out-of-town drug traffickers to come here that they'll leave us alone.  Then there are further benefits in the investigation of such individuals.
    To quote the character from the Simpsons (after being asked to return to fix a problem that had been created because they voted him out of office).
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    mordorbund reacted to Plein Air in Police Reform   
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Vort in Police Reform   
    1. I appreciate that this is getting done on the local level instead of the state or national. Let them try it and if it works let others adopt it. If it doesn't then the damage is relatively small.
    2. Sounds like they're trying to split police work into violent and non-violent work. I'd like to hear from @mirkwood how reasonable is the assumption that a routine traffic stop only ends with a ticket or a warning, and how often does it include an arrest from outstanding warrants, or conflict escalation, or some other thing.
    3. Something I learned from when my wife was on the HOA board: People want the problem solved - as long as you're the one solving it. Put it back on them and they don't complain as loud (or they rise to the challenge and everyone wins). In an effort to include local policing that represents the community, your senior year of high school you are paired up with experienced LEO to police your neighborhood.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from mirkwood in What’s the last movie you watched?   
    Full disclosure, MG is a huge Shaq fan so that's probably why he's raving.
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    mordorbund reacted to mirkwood in Police Reform   
    The vast majority of traffic stops end in a warning or ticket.  Probably 90% or even higher.
    However...
    If you are actively doing interdiction of some sort those numbers will be higher. 
    If for example, I'm watching a drug house and making traffic stops, those percentages will be significantly higher.
    The shift you work can also influence the arrest numbers.  The highest numbers of arrests I made were on my weekend graveyard shifts.  That is a much different environment then what I work now (weekdays, dayshift).
     
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    mordorbund got a reaction from mirkwood in What’s the last movie you watched?   
    Full disclosure, MG is a huge Shaq fan so that's probably why he's raving.
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    mordorbund reacted to Jonah in Temples And Protection   
    Hope this extra helps ...
    The Old Testament system is described in the Old Testament.  All the rituals are
    mentioned therein.
    1. The major physical and liturgical elements of the Old Testament involved the various
    animal and grain offerings.  Baptisms and marriages were not performed in them.
    2.  How did a person participate in temple worship?
    The people worshipped God with the help and leadership of the priests through sacrifice.
    Festivals (dedicated feast days) and sabbaths were also defined.  Gentiles had a specific
    area where they were permitted to go.  There was also a court where women were permitted
    to go .
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_the_women) / 
    https://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/jewish_templethe_womens_court.htm

    3. No one was saved by participating in temple worship but through faith apart from works -
     but it pointed to the eventual coming of the sinless Lamb of God.
    4.How did temple worship change for the New Testament church? Did any elements continue?
    From what we know, the disciples continued to meet at the temple for worship for prayer,
    praising God, and evangelism (Acts 2:46-47).  The temple as the place of worship later
    primarily became the home church.  Apart from this, I don't believe any other element 
    (rituals/sacrifice) continued.  New Testament Christians were not a temple-building people 
    since individuals became the temple of the Holy Spirit.  Earthly high priests were not
    required anymore since Jesus is our only High Priest.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Vort in The "Say Nice Things About America" Thread   
    The American flag is a talisman that converts people to conservatism.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/20/shock-study-us-flag-only-boosts-gop#:~:text=Just a brief exposure to an image of,study just published in the scholarly Psychological Science.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Jamie123 in What would you have done if you'd seen the ark wobble?   
    @anatess2
    When you type '@' followed by some characters you should get a dropdown. If you select the name from the dropdown you get the tagging. If not, you get plain text.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Vort in Temples And Protection   
    Thanks for engaging. You've focused largely on the 4th question about the temple in the New Testament, but left the others largely untouched. Unfortunately, this means even the 4th is unanswered because I'm not sure what remains the same and what has changed if I don't know what the Old Testament system was. This time, instead of stating the negative (what was not involved in temple worship), could you state it in positive terms (the questions are even framed in a way to prompt that sort of answer)? And just to clarify, the first 3 questions are intended for the pre-Christ period. Imagine an Israelite from the period of Isaiah or even the Maccabean period.
     
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    mordorbund reacted to Jonah in Temples And Protection   
    While the New Testament disciples met at the temple on some occasions, there was no
    temple worship per se.   There were no marriages or baptisms performed therein.  It was
    primarily a home-church type of moment.  That's why the New Testament Christians did 
    not build temples when they became dispersed to other areas.
    The Old Testament temple became an individual (a temple indwelt by the Holy Spirit).
    With Jesus as High Priest, the people did not need an earthly priestly system anymore.
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    mordorbund reacted to Jamie123 in Police Powers: UK vs. US   
    I just thought I'd say something nice about my own country for a change! (I'm usually the biggest moaner in the world when it comes to British justice and law enforcement.)
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in This Old Tony...again!   
    Saw this new This Old Tony, and for some reason I thought others might enjoy it. You laugh as you watch it, and come away feeling maybe a little bit smarter than when you went in. It's one thing to understand how something works; it's another to actually realize it in metal. This way, you get to take the middle path and watch TOT realize it in metal.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_wPH904a_8
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    mordorbund reacted to Carborendum in .   
    The man who lives by himself and for himself is soon corrupted by the company he keeps.