mordorbund

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    mordorbund got a reaction from Midwest LDS in True or False   
    There's a simple argument that shows that Franz Kiekeben doesn't speak truth: If he did, we wouldn't think anything in his statements were questionable or untrue.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Midwest LDS in True or False   
    There's a simple argument that shows that Franz Kiekeben doesn't speak truth: If he did, we wouldn't think anything in his statements were questionable or untrue.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Midwest LDS in True or False   
    There's a simple argument that shows that Franz Kiekeben doesn't speak truth: If he did, we wouldn't think anything in his statements were questionable or untrue.
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Midwest LDS in True or False   
    There's a simple argument that shows that Franz Kiekeben doesn't speak truth: If he did, we wouldn't think anything in his statements were questionable or untrue.
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in Coolest sudoku EVAR!   
    https://cracking-the-cryptic.web.app/sudoku/2QM8JHJ4HB
    I'm not the world's biggest sudoku guy. In fact, I rarely do sudokus. But I stumbled across a YouTube video that featured someone solving this sudoku, which, let's face it, is extraordinarily cool. You are given only four digits to start, along with three additional rules:
    1. The major diagonals are 123456789 (not in order, just that they include all the digits, just like rows and columns)
    2. The middle 3x3 square is a magic square (i.e. each of the rows, columns, and major diagonals adds up to the same amount)
    3. There is a "knight's move" constraint which says that no digit can be a knight's move (L-shaped move, two boxes along a row or column and then one box perpendicular to that) away from itself.
    I'm just amazed at some of the things people come up with. Very clever.
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    mordorbund reacted to laronius in Despite All We Can Do   
    That was a really interesting read to learn about the translation process of Church material. I envy your job.
    There are two things that I've learned about the revealed word of God that specifically relate to this subject: 1. That God is very efficient in communicating and what he says can have multiple correct meanings based on the situation and 2. No one verse of scripture should ever be isolated from the rest of scripture when seeking to understand it's meaning.
    Concerning the first one, I definitely think there is room for both interpretations of 2 Nephi 25:23, despite and after, as they both communicate a correct doctrine concerning being saved by grace and also the effort required on our behalf. In fact I can see the "after" being translated to mean both. Though I can appreciate the problem when translating as many languages won't have a word that can mean both simultaneously. So this is where my second point comes in.
    When discussing this particular scripture we usually discuss it out of context in which it was given. In fact we usually cut off the whole rest of that verse. The verse as a whole reads: 
    23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.
    I think the last part is actually building upon the idea of being reconciled to God. Earlier in 2 Nephi 10 Jacob spoke on this very subject which I think sheds some light on the topic:
    24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved.
    In this instance the "after" refers specifically to having been reconciled unto the will of God, a humbling of ourselves in recognition, as King Benjamin put it, of our nothingness and God's greatness and consequently our acceptance of God's terms of reconciliation. So in this instance the word "after" does imply an order of events. So the next question then is: What exactly the "all we can do" spoken of in relation the being reconciled unto God. I think King Anti-Nephi-Lehi spoke of this in Alma 24:
    10 And I also thank my God, yea, my great God, that he hath granted unto us that we might repent of these things, and also that he hath forgiven us of those our many sins and murders which we have committed, and taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son.
    11 And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain-
    At least in this instance, and I would argue in every instance of reconciliation with God, the "all we can do" is simply the process of repentance, of recognizing our need to be saved and turning our hearts and minds to God and beseeching Him "through the merits of his Son" (or grace) to do for us what we cannot. So while I do not believe 2 Nephi 25:23 refers to having performed a certain number of works before we have access to God's grace I do believe that there is still something required of us "before" grace is applied thus making this interpretation of the word "after" especially appropriate in this verse. But like I said, God is very efficient!
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    mordorbund reacted to NeuroTypical in Why "Just bake the cake!" is wrong   
    Oh, I don't think he's doing that.  So, the baker is in Colorado, and I've heard him interviewed many times.  He has been used by both sides, multiple times, because his willingness to refuse and violate a city ordinance is a legal jumping-off point that ends at the Supreme Court.  He comes across as someone who is ok with that.  Supreme Court decisions can have a bigger impact than prostituting your values to make a quick buck to donate to conservative causes.  Maybe he's wiser than you think...
    We're all taking about Jack Phillips and the Masterpiece Cakeshop, right? 
     
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    mordorbund got a reaction from dprh in Best dang COVID-19 news I've heard to date   
    And what happens when you feed it after midnight?
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    mordorbund got a reaction from dprh in Best dang COVID-19 news I've heard to date   
    And what happens when you feed it after midnight?
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Colirio in Hydroxychloroquine   
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Colirio in Hydroxychloroquine   
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in USAF looking for flying cars. No, seriously.   
    Tucking the tie in is a good idea. A better idea would be not to wear a tie.
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    mordorbund reacted to Carborendum in Death Panels   
    For the record, as for my part, it was not meant to be used for "shock value."  It was just an illustration of how liberals laugh at conservatives who raise a valid concern.  Then the liberals validate that concern.
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    mordorbund reacted to Vort in Mark of the Beast??   
    Oops. I left out the h.
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    mordorbund reacted to Carborendum in Mark of the Beast??   
    I interpret it in the following way.
    I'm grateful that I could help you understand it better.
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    mordorbund reacted to prisonchaplain in Why "Just bake the cake!" is wrong   
    Fair enough, @MormonGator. On the other hand, the point of the article was that Philip's fight benefits all who love our First Amendment. Rather than cave, he stood. I believe he had backing from at least one religious liberty law firm. I am so thankful for the Alliance Defending Freedom, the Rutherford Institute, Homeschool Defense League, and other such groups. I remember when one of the Christian dating sites was forced to cave by providing the same services for same-sex dating. The company openly said it did not have the funds to fight. Hopefully, those days are done. We could lose our First Amendment. Many young adults believe "Hate speech is not free speech." Of course, who defines hate? The time to give in and take the moral hit, so the family can survive is past--if people of faith will unite, pray, and back these groups fighting for our freedoms.
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    mordorbund reacted to prisonchaplain in Why "Just bake the cake!" is wrong   
    Wrong and wrong. Perhaps you are misreading the issue. None of this litigation involves Christians refusing to serve LGBT clients. Rather, it involves Christian artisans refusing to engage their God-given artistic talents in anti-Christian MESSAGING.
    From the article:  A transgendered activist named Autumn Scardina, who had allegedly also asked Phillips to make “an image of Satan smoking marijuana,” “the Church of Satan,” and “a three-tiered white cake” with a “large figure of Satan, licking a [… I won't include the lude item description...],” lodged the complaint.
    Again, no one is arguing that Christians refuse to serve LGBT. On the other hand, I agree that I should not expect a gay baker to craft a cake saying that only opposite-sex marriages are real.
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    mordorbund reacted to NeuroTypical in Why "Just bake the cake!" is wrong   
    Something that was explained to me in the early days of the Jack Phillips stuff:  Every artist that works for money, finds themselves forced to draw a line about what they will and won't do, who they will and won't serve.  It's not exactly intuitive, but spend five seconds thinking about it, and it becomes clear.  If they design artistic cakes, someone will want porn or hitler.  If they build houses someone will want a torture room where they can chain victims to the wall.  If they paint paintings someone will want racism or vore (google at your own risk).  If they do hair styling, someone will want their pubic hairs styled.  Songwriters will get hit up by someone with a cool idea about a song about murdering cops.  You can probably figure out who approaches dancers on your own.
    One daughter does art online, and a lot of her fellow artists just plain old build what they won't do into their ads.  Here's one random teenager's ad - she won't do NSFW or gore:

    Since art is first amendment protected speech, those rights should not be abridged by government.  Meaning, no government agency on any level should force someone to art how they don't want, or ban someone from arting how they want, with dang few exceptions.
    Jack Phillips was happy to sell the gay couple a wedding cake, just not one of his artistic custom cakes.
     
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    mordorbund got a reaction from Anddenex in An unfortunate 1950s fundamentalism   
    The article you cite points out that he prefers biblical prophets be viewed within the context of when they lived and served. The 20th century prophets doubled down on fundamentalism for a reason. At the turn of the century sophists applauded Darwin's findings and concluded God (of the gaps) was dead. Oh, but when they cheered the portion in parenthesis went unuttered. Midcentury biblical scholars revisited their assumptions. Naturism is en vogue today, and in Talmage's time you could find a great many scholars who took the Bible at face value and were often cross-trained in theology. Between the historical and naturist eras was the era of skepticism. The Bible was viewed as propaganda with little grounding in history or reality. There's a reason why McConkie used many of the same sources Talmage did when writing The Mortal Messiah. 
    Elders Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie are favorite punching bags, but they are the Pauls of our day. The majority of the New Testament was penned by Paul and the supermajority of New Testament doctrine comes through him. He's even open about sharing his opinion, but I don't hear the same disdain sent his way.
    Returning to the article, perhaps we should apply the same standard to our own prophets and recognize having modern prophets means they speak in a modern context. Or perhaps we should simply push the criticisms back in time and lament because it hurts to realize that some of our 2nd Millennia BC prophets had a geocentric view of the cosmos.
    I feel that now in the 21st century if people can't relate to the context of the mid-20th century they probably shouldn't read works that are 70 years old.
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    mordorbund reacted to Colirio in Democrat's plan all along?   
    I think you give too much credit already... 
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    mordorbund reacted to prisonchaplain in Why "Just bake the cake!" is wrong   
    When stories first started coming out, after gay marriage was constitutionally legalized across the U.S., of bakers, florists and photographers refusing to participate in them, based on their sincerely held religious beliefs (yes, that's Religious Freedom Restoration Act language), many gave the advice, "Just bake the stupid cake." Even some well-meaning conservatives said this, perhaps believing this would be a silly, symbolic fight of little import. Did it not dawn on us that we were giving up our freedom of religion, speech and association with this cave-in? Here's the update:  https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/why-jack-phillips-matters/
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    mordorbund reacted to Carborendum in The "born again" experience -- LDS style   
    Elder Bednar offered the following:
    Whether revelation or the change of the soul, the metaphor is the same.
    Not all of us are like Alma (either one) or Paul.  But it does happen.  And if it does not happen, it does not mean it isn't happening.