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Can long time members tell me why these pageants should end? I attended the Nauvoo pageant a few years ago and really enjoyed it. Maybe because I was a new member, I dunno. It was like going to outdoor theater. I thought it was fine, so I was a bit surprised to see this new statement. Do they take too much money and members' time or something?

MST, as in "Mormon" Standard Time?
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I was a professor in a woman-dominated field. I am also the proud mother of a male. I frequently had to prohibit the "men are so stupid" jokes/comments that would come up in class. They don't get to speak that way about men in my presence. 

So, we're supposed to have stake conference. I thought it was last night and today. I didn't go last night, but got up headed out for conference this morning. When I got to church, there wasn't a line of cars trying to get in the lot, no unattended children running between cars like maniacs, nobody & nothing. I thought it was just another manifestation of MST, but when I got into the building I realized right away something was wrong.
#*$($#  Stake conference is NEXT weekend. I went home until time for church.
This wasn't the first time I've arrived on time for an event and no one else was there. It used to make me doubt my sanity until someone told me about MST.  I only have to get myself out of the house; I guess others find it more difficult to get out because people are always late.

Good question. Carnegie's book would be good. I'm a fan of Larry Winget's books on work and responsibility.
If I had to choose one (ok, 1 story, 3 books), I think it would be Lord of the Rings. You've got good and evil, sin and the consequences thereof, friendship, self-sacrifice, pride, greed, it's all there. 

So, we're supposed to have stake conference. I thought it was last night and today. I didn't go last night, but got up headed out for conference this morning. When I got to church, there wasn't a line of cars trying to get in the lot, no unattended children running between cars like maniacs, nobody & nothing. I thought it was just another manifestation of MST, but when I got into the building I realized right away something was wrong.
#*$($#  Stake conference is NEXT weekend. I went home until time for church.
This wasn't the first time I've arrived on time for an event and no one else was there. It used to make me doubt my sanity until someone told me about MST.  I only have to get myself out of the house; I guess others find it more difficult to get out because people are always late.

I don't know about you, but I don't joke about rape too much. It's just a thing with me.
It's easy to say we all joke about each other. Yeah, probably.  But keep that stuff out of the workplace and the classroom.

I was a professor in a woman-dominated field. I am also the proud mother of a male. I frequently had to prohibit the "men are so stupid" jokes/comments that would come up in class. They don't get to speak that way about men in my presence. 

"Scratch a liberal, find a racist."  
I have found that to be true on a number of levels. Even when they think they are being your friend and looking out for your interests (because they think you are too stupid, too poor, too uneducated or too whatever to look after your own interests), racism is at the core of their behavior.

I'm reading this after reading the thread about calling women 'ladies' and still sorting out my thoughts.
No time needed for this one, tho - what a sexist pig! I can't imagine being a woman in a STEM field in college, and having to sit in class with men while the professor made fun of women and weight.
This reminds me of a radio interview I heard regarding the first space shuttle flight. The interviewee was talking about the large cargo area, which was necessary because they were planning to have women astronauts. WT flying F? Thankfully, the reporter pulled it back and said something about the women not having anymore luggage than the men, but jeez Louise....  If they guy had said there would be hydroponic gardens to grow watermelons for the black astronauts, I wouldn't have been more shocked.
I was in a criminal law class where the prof's examples were always rape or a crime against women, with a lot of detail. Folks went right to the dean on that one - and that was decades ago. No one wants to sit in class and be the butt of some sexist's or racist's 'jokes.' Of course, their response to complaints is that they were just joking and that (insert name of offended group) are just too sensitive, but to heck with them. Complain anyway; otherwise nothing changes. 

Whoa - I'm a Huskie!  PhD 2007. 
Of course, the degrees that really count are the 2 I have from Michigan. Go Blue! 

"Scratch a liberal, find a racist."  
I have found that to be true on a number of levels. Even when they think they are being your friend and looking out for your interests (because they think you are too stupid, too poor, too uneducated or too whatever to look after your own interests), racism is at the core of their behavior.

I'm reading this after reading the thread about calling women 'ladies' and still sorting out my thoughts.
No time needed for this one, tho - what a sexist pig! I can't imagine being a woman in a STEM field in college, and having to sit in class with men while the professor made fun of women and weight.
This reminds me of a radio interview I heard regarding the first space shuttle flight. The interviewee was talking about the large cargo area, which was necessary because they were planning to have women astronauts. WT flying F? Thankfully, the reporter pulled it back and said something about the women not having anymore luggage than the men, but jeez Louise....  If they guy had said there would be hydroponic gardens to grow watermelons for the black astronauts, I wouldn't have been more shocked.
I was in a criminal law class where the prof's examples were always rape or a crime against women, with a lot of detail. Folks went right to the dean on that one - and that was decades ago. No one wants to sit in class and be the butt of some sexist's or racist's 'jokes.' Of course, their response to complaints is that they were just joking and that (insert name of offended group) are just too sensitive, but to heck with them. Complain anyway; otherwise nothing changes. 

Now, if the PC-ation of "Lady" is not bad enough... there's this:
"This is not about performance advantage.  This is about human rights."   There ya go, men!  You can finally fulfill your dream of winning in competitive sports!
 

Whoa - I'm a Huskie!  PhD 2007. 
Of course, the degrees that really count are the 2 I have from Michigan. Go Blue! 

Do people think that tithing only goes to the Church schools? While I'm happy to support these schools, I also know that my tithing supports Helping Hands, the water projects, the farms and food projects, pays to build temples and keep the lights on at existing temples - what is the problem? So your kid didn't get into a Church school. S/he'll live. And depending on what the kids wants to do in life, there are better educational choices elsewhere.
I've been a member long enough to learn that having gone to BYU-wherever is no guarantee  that the person will stay in the Church or even do a mission. So there's that. When I learn somebody's going to BYU, I always wonder, 'Didn't you want something different? You're 18 and have lived in Utah or Idaho your whole life - don't you want to see what the rest of the world is like?' 

Do people think that tithing only goes to the Church schools? While I'm happy to support these schools, I also know that my tithing supports Helping Hands, the water projects, the farms and food projects, pays to build temples and keep the lights on at existing temples - what is the problem? So your kid didn't get into a Church school. S/he'll live. And depending on what the kids wants to do in life, there are better educational choices elsewhere.
I've been a member long enough to learn that having gone to BYU-wherever is no guarantee  that the person will stay in the Church or even do a mission. So there's that. When I learn somebody's going to BYU, I always wonder, 'Didn't you want something different? You're 18 and have lived in Utah or Idaho your whole life - don't you want to see what the rest of the world is like?' 

Do people think that tithing only goes to the Church schools? While I'm happy to support these schools, I also know that my tithing supports Helping Hands, the water projects, the farms and food projects, pays to build temples and keep the lights on at existing temples - what is the problem? So your kid didn't get into a Church school. S/he'll live. And depending on what the kids wants to do in life, there are better educational choices elsewhere.
I've been a member long enough to learn that having gone to BYU-wherever is no guarantee  that the person will stay in the Church or even do a mission. So there's that. When I learn somebody's going to BYU, I always wonder, 'Didn't you want something different? You're 18 and have lived in Utah or Idaho your whole life - don't you want to see what the rest of the world is like?' 

Do people think that tithing only goes to the Church schools? While I'm happy to support these schools, I also know that my tithing supports Helping Hands, the water projects, the farms and food projects, pays to build temples and keep the lights on at existing temples - what is the problem? So your kid didn't get into a Church school. S/he'll live. And depending on what the kids wants to do in life, there are better educational choices elsewhere.
I've been a member long enough to learn that having gone to BYU-wherever is no guarantee  that the person will stay in the Church or even do a mission. So there's that. When I learn somebody's going to BYU, I always wonder, 'Didn't you want something different? You're 18 and have lived in Utah or Idaho your whole life - don't you want to see what the rest of the world is like?' 

Do people think that tithing only goes to the Church schools? While I'm happy to support these schools, I also know that my tithing supports Helping Hands, the water projects, the farms and food projects, pays to build temples and keep the lights on at existing temples - what is the problem? So your kid didn't get into a Church school. S/he'll live. And depending on what the kids wants to do in life, there are better educational choices elsewhere.
I've been a member long enough to learn that having gone to BYU-wherever is no guarantee  that the person will stay in the Church or even do a mission. So there's that. When I learn somebody's going to BYU, I always wonder, 'Didn't you want something different? You're 18 and have lived in Utah or Idaho your whole life - don't you want to see what the rest of the world is like?' 

I DO NOT KNOW.
Just to make that clear. I don't know. I have no insight into the BYU admissions process.
That said: I don't believe it, not for a moment. I can't imagine that BYU Admissions Office has access to the tithing records of Church members. The very idea that an admissions office could go check up on the tithing status of the parents of potential students is so outrageous that I don't think it's worth serious consideration. I suppose it's possible, like the Illuminati are possible. But I don't buy it for a second.

Controversial topic:  Intersexed and the Priesthood.

SACRAMENT...WITH THE LEFT HAND?!