MrShorty

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    MrShorty reacted to Traveler in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    My question here - for those that believe in a young earth ---- Why would a G-d of truth create the "heavens" and the earth in a shorten amount of time and then leave a preponderance of empirical evidence  that it was not done in such a short time?  If it was to "test" our faith - why would a G-d of truth test our faith based on deliberate discerptions? 
     
    The Traveler
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    MrShorty reacted to mordorbund in Til We Have Faces by C.S. Lewis   
    Is this a Lewisian way of suggesting that God's transformative (even deifying) love is manifest in both the ritualistic Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) church? Or should this be taken to mean that Lewis supposes God to use both superstitions (to use your term) and reason to draw people to Him. A variation on Alma 29:8 perhaps?
    Where does this put the new priest then? Are the gods working through him in the "language" of the culture? Or does he not "get it" and is leading them on the road to apostasy?
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    MrShorty reacted to prisonchaplain in This or that?   
    False dichotamies...how about both/and? There are times when a single flavor sits well. However, @dprh is not wrong--some of those mixtures are truly awesome. We've got to walk in victory, success, and spiritual over-coming. If the road there is paved with plain chocolate or vanilla, I'm still all-in!
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    MrShorty reacted to dprh in This or that?   
    By themselves?  Neither.  I'm not a big fan of a single flavor in my ice cream.  I like Rocky Road, Tin Roof, Moose Tracks, Cookies & Cream, etc.  maybe even Neopolitan.
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    MrShorty got a reaction from pam in This or that?   
    When it comes to the soft-serve machine dispensed stuff that you get in fast food joints, I strongly prefer vanilla over chocolate.
    When it comes to real ice cream -- probably a slight preference for vanilla over (plain) chocolate, but everything goes out the window when you start putting other stuff in there (rocky road or chocolate with fudge or cookie dough or...
    Another reason not to visit this forum -- it sends me off to indulge in one of my favorite vices. You couldn't have asked a safer question? Like "iceberg or romaine"?
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    MrShorty got a reaction from pam in This or that?   
    When it comes to the soft-serve machine dispensed stuff that you get in fast food joints, I strongly prefer vanilla over chocolate.
    When it comes to real ice cream -- probably a slight preference for vanilla over (plain) chocolate, but everything goes out the window when you start putting other stuff in there (rocky road or chocolate with fudge or cookie dough or...
    Another reason not to visit this forum -- it sends me off to indulge in one of my favorite vices. You couldn't have asked a safer question? Like "iceberg or romaine"?
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    MrShorty reacted to Traveler in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    Background noise (like from a star) is going to be much stronger than a regular intelligent signal.  However, it is not that difficult to filter out the kind of frequencies that occur from various kinds of stars and other background radiation.  This kind of filtering is done naturally by various predictor and other life forms.  For example, there is evidence that migrating birds and aquodic life forms use faint electromagnetic radiation for location.  In fact the background radiation can be very helpful as a "carrier wave".  This technology is also used to determine the elemental composition and age of various stars.  When I was working for the defense department (anti submarine warfare) we used similar sonar detection systems.  The ocean can carry a lot of sonic information and with triangulation we were able to determine; the identity, location, speed, bearing and load of a vessel from hundreds of miles away - even if such a vessel was in a convoy of several vessels.
    The theory in SETI is that there is a probability of intelligent life that has evolved to our level or greater among the billions of stars just in our milky way  galaxy that we should be able to detect something of a repeating nature.  There have been a number of electromagnetic burst of interest but in theory the signal would be repetitive.  But for all the theoretical probabilities - nothing has been found and there is no good explanation for that.
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    MrShorty reacted to Still_Small_Voice in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    It might have taken that long.  It possibly could have taken ten of thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of years for the Earth to be formed and placed where it is.  We do not know.  There is so much theory we cannot solve about the origin of the Earth because of our minute amount of time we have been studying and keeping records.
    But I do not like it when people preach that the LORD formed the Earth in six twenty-four hour periods.  The physical evidence on the Earth simply does not show that.
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    MrShorty reacted to prisonchaplain in Make the Forums Great Again   
    See, now I tried really hard to do that.  How did it go? @Traveler ended up offering me a job as a seminary teacher in Utah.
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    MrShorty reacted to maklelan in Isaiah Translation   
    Isaiah in the Book of Mormon is not evidence that Isaiah was composed prior to 600 BC. Numerous New Testament quotations pulled directly from the KJV, errors and all, are also included in the Book of Mormon, but that's not evidence the KJV's translation of the New Testament was composed prior to 600 BC. It's just evidence that people don't understand how the Book of Mormon was translated and don't want to if it complicates their assumptions about revelation and prophetic authority.
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    MrShorty reacted to Vort in Was Jesus married   
    No. God is a Being. God is a Father. God is an individual. God means Father, not President.
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    MrShorty got a reaction from Traveler in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    True, but it seems arguable that science has not been able to penetrate very deep into the universe. According to the Planetary Habitability laboratory (http://phl.upr.edu/projects/habitable-exoplanets-catalog/top10), the farthest exoplanet (not even considering planet type or habitability) is about 30 kly away. For comparison, it is estimated that our planet is about 30 kly from the center of our galaxy, so our "bubble" of observing exoplanets consists of only a small portion of our Milky Way. I don't know what it would take to detect intelligent life outside of our solar system, but it seems almost certain that we have barely even begun to search and we are severely limited in our ability to search. At present, I'm not sure science can even begin to answer the question.
    I guess it depends on what characteristics you consider when you say "unique". Clearly, within our observation limits, Earth is the only one with confirmed life, but there are several "rocky, Earth size planets" within our observation limits.
    As much as I despise semantics, I get hung up what we mean/scripture means when it says "world" in this context. Is a star/solar system considered a world? A galaxy? A universe?
    I'm not sure how to answer the questions of how hostile other environments would be to life without assuming isotropy. Assuming life on other worlds is similar to our life, then I would hypothesize that all life exists under similar hostile conditions. Would life existing under non-hostile conditions be similar enough to us to be recognized as having the same Father?
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    MrShorty got a reaction from dprh in Was Jesus married   
    I agree that there are no official teachings.
    2 things -- 1, was Jesus merely a "demi-god" or was He a full fledged god? We talk about Jesus being Jehovah the God of the Old Testament that He was fully God before He even obtained a mortal body. Part of the answer here might depend on exactly how one chooses to view Jesus/Jehovah's status before He came to Earth.
    2) Why shouldn't Jesus be excluded from following the plan? There's a lot about Jesus that seems to make Him unique among Father's children. He seems to have been a member of the Godhead before He received a body. I see several ways that Jesus's path seems very different from our path. Personally, I see no reason to think that Jesus must have followed (or will yet follow) the path that we are following.
     There's a lot that hasn't been revealed, so who knows what is right and true. I'm sure there are some ways that Christ's path is similar to ours. Exactly how it is similar and how it is different hasn't been revealed.
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    MrShorty reacted to Traveler in Life, Death and an Isotropic Universe:   
    The universe we live in is believed to be isotropic.  Some claim that science has not proven this notion but is there anything in religion that rejects our universe as isotropic?  The essence of an isotropic universe is that the principles that are true are universal (the same everywhere).  The terms of universe and universal are obviously tightly connected.   In theory, if principles change then it is thought that we have traversed from our universe into another.  For the sake of understanding – if a hydrogen atom is coupled with two oxygen atoms we will have a water molecule – and it does not matter where in our universe we are – the result will always be the same – both in time and space.
    One of the questions surrounding the Big Bang theory has to do with the universe being isotropic.  In short – there are no “bangs” that are isotropic, let alone a “Big Bang”.  Bangs are anisotropic.  But in our universe even anisotropic materials and events are evenly or smoothly spread.  Thus the creation of that which is anisotropic in our universe becomes isotropic.  Are you confused yet?
    One of the great spiritual questions concerns life.  Most individuals are convinced that earth is not the only place in the universe where life (as we know it) exists.  There have been great debates between science and religion that center around and deal directly with life.  The truth is that our universe is very hostile towards life.  Science has not found a trace of intelligence life anywhere.  The big question coming out of all this is – are we alone?  Is life in this universe an abnormality and mistake?
    From our scriptures we are told that prior to the fall of Adam and Eve there was no death.  That all things, in essence, were in an eternal state that did not change or deteriorate over time. But from all the existing evidence – our universe is not only in a state of change – but change that is best described as violent and hostile to life.   That because of the fall – man was exiled to a very unique world described as “the loan and dreary world” where death was unavoidable and enviable.
    So here is my question – How unique is earth to this universe?  We are led to believe that G-d has created many worlds – are such other world hostile to life as we know it?  Is life here unique in that in order to survive we must live off of other life?  Is death unique to our earth?  How violent is life on other worlds?  Why dinosaurs? And why are they gone?  Why are most species (over 90%) that once lived on this planet now extinct?
     
    The Traveler
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    MrShorty got a reaction from dprh in Was Jesus married   
    I agree that there are no official teachings.
    2 things -- 1, was Jesus merely a "demi-god" or was He a full fledged god? We talk about Jesus being Jehovah the God of the Old Testament that He was fully God before He even obtained a mortal body. Part of the answer here might depend on exactly how one chooses to view Jesus/Jehovah's status before He came to Earth.
    2) Why shouldn't Jesus be excluded from following the plan? There's a lot about Jesus that seems to make Him unique among Father's children. He seems to have been a member of the Godhead before He received a body. I see several ways that Jesus's path seems very different from our path. Personally, I see no reason to think that Jesus must have followed (or will yet follow) the path that we are following.
     There's a lot that hasn't been revealed, so who knows what is right and true. I'm sure there are some ways that Christ's path is similar to ours. Exactly how it is similar and how it is different hasn't been revealed.
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    MrShorty reacted to askandanswer in Make the Forums Great Again   
    I think that a lot of the problems here come from various participants trying to persuade others of the rightness of their own views while trying to convince others of the wrongness of the others' views. I don't come here to debate, I come here to ask questions and get answers. The answers may or may not be right, but they generally inform my thinking about a particular question I have in mind, and for that I'm thankful. If you look back through the history of my posts, you will rarely see me attempting to argue a particular point or trying to persuade or dissuade someone. That is not why I am here. I'm here to gather thoughts, information, ideas and perspectives.  I feel no need to bring others around to my view point or encouraging them to change their mind, I'm happy for people to have their own opinions rather than having mine. It's my own little philosophy that there are very, very few things that can be known for certain, and the only things that can be known for certain are those things that are revealed by the Spirit. Such truths are generally not found through hammering things out in arguements on a discussion board. It seems to me that there are very few matters that are discussed here in absolute terms, and that most of the matters discussed are where to draw the line between two opposing positions, rather than whether or not one or both of those positions should exist at all. When trying to draw the line between two positions, I think that one person's opinion is as good as anyone else's, and if someone ends up in an incorrect position, that is between them and God. I'm also of the view that when you get right down to it, many people's opinions are derived from their feelings rather than the facts. It seems to be an emotional, subjective decision on how much weight to put on particular fact, and which facts to rely on and which to discard, and emotions are not readily amenable or responsive to logical discussion. 
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    MrShorty reacted to Vort in Was Jesus married   
    Jesus Christ was not a "demigod", any more than he was an Olympian, a Titan, or a wood nymph.
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    MrShorty got a reaction from dprh in Was Jesus married   
    I agree that there are no official teachings.
    2 things -- 1, was Jesus merely a "demi-god" or was He a full fledged god? We talk about Jesus being Jehovah the God of the Old Testament that He was fully God before He even obtained a mortal body. Part of the answer here might depend on exactly how one chooses to view Jesus/Jehovah's status before He came to Earth.
    2) Why shouldn't Jesus be excluded from following the plan? There's a lot about Jesus that seems to make Him unique among Father's children. He seems to have been a member of the Godhead before He received a body. I see several ways that Jesus's path seems very different from our path. Personally, I see no reason to think that Jesus must have followed (or will yet follow) the path that we are following.
     There's a lot that hasn't been revealed, so who knows what is right and true. I'm sure there are some ways that Christ's path is similar to ours. Exactly how it is similar and how it is different hasn't been revealed.
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    MrShorty reacted to estradling75 in Make the Forums Great Again   
    When it comes to rebuking we need to remember the direction and instruction the Lord has given us in D&C 121..
    Verse 43 is the detailed instructions
    How many times do we truly meet the first requirement??  From my own experience I have to say probably not nearly as much as I do it... Then there is the second follow up requirement... How often do we do that?  Again from my own experience not nearly as much as I should.   Thus for me the standard the Lord set for a righteous rebuke... well I find myself coming up short more often then not... to meet the standard the Lord has set.
     
    As for mods not doing anything... We are human... we make mistakes... we have our own biases and blindness-es.  That is why we ask people to report posts/posters that they think are breaking the rules and tell us why.  It is the easiest and quickest way to have all the mods become aware of something (including issues with a moderator)  As for the mods doing something... Sometimes nothing is the action, many times we work behind the scenes and you never know what we did, other times are actions are clear.  But simple fact is that someone is going to think the moderators made the wrong choice... Either we do not act enough... or we acted too much..   There is no win for us in these situations. Just doing what we think is the best for the forums as a whole.  
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    MrShorty reacted to Fether in Make the Forums Great Again   
    And you are part of the “problem” the forum is facing. I’m just like you and so is everyone else I’m who disagrees with the order of authority. 
     
    I don’t believe your way of thinking is wrong, we are very much alike in that sense. But when there is a forum full of people who see the gospel differently and we are talking about salvation and damnation... it’s hard to not get passionate.
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    MrShorty reacted to Suzie in Make the Forums Great Again   
    I joined this forum eleven years ago. I left for a long period of time because the toxicity  here became unbearable. There were people insulting others to make a point, being very unkind and condescending (and to an extend, one can argue that it continues to happen in the political discussion board if you don't agree with the status quo). Back then, I didn't see posters being warned when displaying this kind of uncivil behavior and it became a very toxic and negative environment so many people left. 
    Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with politics or Church doctrine. I think it has to do with personality, understanding and self-control. Once we fully understand the art of debating, there is no need to become hostile, cruel or defensive but instead we will be working on offering stronger arguments in a civil manner making always the focus the message rather than the messenger. And most importantly, be humble enough to accept 'touché' moments throughout our discussions. 
    This is why throughout the years, I enjoyed debating with JAG in this forum.  Both of us think alike in quite a few things and yet very different in other aspects, including some aspects of Church history. But when I engage him in a debate, he has always been so respectful and yet firm in his views. I make fun of him for being overly conservative and he makes fun of my "progressive" ways. And this is how I believe, brothers and sisters in the Gospel, should be towards one another. Now, I am not putting myself as an example of anything...the good Lord knows I'm not... but I just wanted to illustrate the point that in my view, it isn't really about politics or religion. It is about who we are and trying to remember that even behind a keyboard, we are all still brothers and sisters. 
     
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    MrShorty reacted to Fether in Make the Forums Great Again   
    This concept is probably the worst part about what is driving people from our forum. Some forum members are strict to the old ways and what was taught in the past, some are strict to to the current ways and what is taught today, some are strict to what they perceive to be the future, and some are strict to a middle ground approach where the church is just a guideline. We all fall into one of these and find views from other parties to be distracting from what Christ wants of us all... then we stand up and start bickering.
    I have my “line of authority” as I call it. Modern day prophets/publications from the church -> Standard Work / older prophets -> personal revelation -> Opinions from leaders and books written by them -> everything else. Some may flip older prophets to the top due to belief that the church is slipping away while others may believe the standard work as being the end all authority and everything is just built of that (I personally don’t understand the hype behind “canonization” to me the modern day prophet has more teaching authority than any book of scripture. I get that ideology from the talk 14 fundamentals of following the prophet https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet)
    In my opinion, it is underlying disagreement like these that cause strife on the forum.
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    MrShorty reacted to The Folk Prophet in Make the Forums Great Again   
    As one who's essentially left the forum I can comment (as I happen to have joined back in for a day or two for a specific discussion). But since this thread is here during that time, (I won't be around long), I'll comment from my perspective.
    I think the reason I left the forum may be the issue at hand.
    When the division becomes as great as it has between two factions, those factions struggle for civility. I'll label those factions conservatism and progressivism, but those are relative terms. Still, it should be understood. And I don't mean politically. Politics only interest me as to how they relate to the eternal. These two factions, so divided, struggle to bond in any regard. And, really, in my opinion, they should not bond, because one of them is team Satan and the other is team God. But the result is conflict. So I find myself at an impasse. I have two desires -- two principles -- that are at odds one with another. 1. Civility and unity. 2. The need to stand strong and fight against what I see as the increasing growth of evil and its encroachment upon society.
    Keep in mind, the struggle I'm talking about on these two things is not with others. It is with myself. I wish to be civil and united. I also cannot engage with what I consider evil without taking a stand against it.
    I do not feel I can or should abandon either of these principles. And yet...how? And so I finally came to a point where the only option for me was to walk away. I can't fight the one fight without losing the other and vice versa. So I retreated instead.
    The plain truth is that the divide between good and evil is growing. And that, I believe, is the root of the problem. The growth of evil demands a violent, bloody fight! (I'm not suggesting literal, physical, fighting. I'm just being metaphorical here). It demands it! And yet...who wants to be in bloody, violent fights all the time?
    It's depressing, disheartening, discouraging, unpleasant, and just no fun. And yet, part of me feels like I've pulled a Jonah. But still....
    Yes...I realize I'm worse than pretty much anyone else in my views in this regard. And therefore it is, frankly, surprising I engaged as long as I did. But it was, for the most part, no fun. And I came to the point where it broke me. And maybe that is a good thing. Maybe I've been wrong all along in my views on fighting the good fight. Or maybe I just suck at it.
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    MrShorty reacted to Just_A_Guy in Radical Orthodoxy   
    I see this as a number of LDS apologists and thinkers—some, very popular in progressive LDS circles—pushing back and saying “guys, you need to know that we actually do accept the Church’s truth claims.” 
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    MrShorty reacted to prisonchaplain in Prisonchaplain retiring...from prison chaplaincy   
    It's Thanksgiving Day, so I figured I'd announce that, yes I am thankful for the nearly 23 years the LORD has allowed me to serve as a prison chaplain. Alas, mandatory retirement is fast approaching, and I prayerfully put in to do so at the end of this year. Next steps likely include my continuing as a volunteer pastor and transitioning to my first love--teaching. It's not yet certain how that will look, but I am convinced that what lies ahead will be even better than that which is passing. Oh … and no, I'm not retiring from here. Mercy has its limits.