MrShorty

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    MrShorty reacted to mordorbund in Bull-crap Indoctrination about Bull-crap.   
    That's why humans extincted them so hard.
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    MrShorty reacted to Jamie123 in socialism   
    You make some good points - I'm not saying I'm necessarily right, and you're necessarily wrong. Our perspective is coloured by what we've been conditioned to consider "normal" - which is why debate like this is important to help us think "out of the box".
    I would say this though in response to:
    You certainly would get to "pick" if you had the money. And even now people still get to pick Eton or Harrow or Winchester or Malvern or Westminster or Rugby or Charterhouse...etc. etc... for their kids' education if they can afford the fees. By making all schools fee-paying you'd certainly offer a wealth of "choice" to the rich, at the expense of giving no choice whatsoever to the poor. And for the poorest, the one choice available would be "no school at all". We'd be back to Oliver Twist times, with gangs of school-age urchins roaming the streets "picking a pocket or two", working for Fagin and living on moldy sausages and gin.
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    MrShorty reacted to Jamie123 in socialism   
    Absolutely. If everyone were Christlike, there would be no need for socialism. Similarly, if everyone were honest, there would be no need for police, and the rhetoric of the BLM people would be spot on!
    But I cannot equate having a conscience with "Christianity". It's a clear fallacy that without believing in God, you can have no sense of right or wrong. Is Richard Dawkins dragged before the beak every other day for beating up old ladies and stealing their pensions? No, I don't think he is, is he?
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    MrShorty reacted to Jamie123 in socialism   
    I wouldn't describe myself as a socialist exactly, but I've grown up in a society which is more socialist than the USA, so a lot of "socialist" ideas seem like common sense to me. But of course, that's my upbringing talking.
    Socialized healthcare for example: in the States, a great many people moan about how unfair it is that well-to-do people should be forced to pay the bulk of the cost of healthcare which will be made available to poor people, who couldn't otherwise afford it. But very few of these same people complain about paying pro rata for policing, education, prisons, the army, navy, air force, coast guard, public libraries, the fire service and the law courts - things which exist for the benefit of the rich AND the poor.
    No rich person ever says: "O poor pitiful me, having to pay my tax dollars* for the police to investigate a break-in at my poor neighbour's tumble-down, rat-infested hovel, when I'm so lucky that my gold-plated mansion has never been burgled." 
    Our system (which some would label "socialist") merely adds healthcare to that already long list of publicly funded services which all but the loony-extreme Republican would defend. And in the UK this been accepted for many years: even Margaret Thatcher - the least socialist prime minister we've had in recent history - never suggested abolishing the NHS, any more than she suggested "defunding the police".
    I presented this argument on this very forum about 10 years ago, to be rebutted with the suggestion that "policing, education...blah blah blah...etc. etc." are necessary for "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and that public healthcare (for some inarticulable reason) is not.
    * Why is it Americans pay "taxes" for things they approve of, and "tax dollars" for things they don't? 
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    MrShorty reacted to estradling75 in The Plan of Salvation   
    For as much as we know about the pre-existence there is more we do not know.
    Many of your question about exact details we do not know.
    However lets clarify come misunderstandings you do have.  I make all kinds of plans... and I usually find out very quickly that they will not work.  While we are commonly told that Satan had a plan.. everything we seen and learn at are taught tells us his plan would not work.  Thus Satan has a plan but there is every indication that his "promises" were lies.
    For those that followed him everything points to them having full Light and Truth and choosing to embrace and side with Darkness and Lies.  Why does anyone one do that?.. I have no idea but people do all the time. 
    Finally angels are not a different type or class in the Restored Gospel theology.  They are simply people like us but in a Pre-Mortal or Post Mortal state, who have an assignment to do something among mortals.
     
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    MrShorty reacted to ldsguy422 in Liberals in the Church   
    I feel like the ward I live in is pretty close to 50-50 on Democrats and Republicans. Members bring up politics far too often, IMO. Whenever I'm teaching a Sunday School class and someone interjects with a political comment, I usually respond by saying, "Hey, if you have something political to say, please save it for a testimony meeting." Politically-charged comments are inevitably going to irritate someone in the class. Most people can see that my comment is facetious, and it quickly diffuses an otherwise tense situation.  
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    MrShorty reacted to MarginOfError in who is the jerk, him or me?   
    Sounds to me like both of you are being jerks. It's very rare that the tensions in a relationship are the fault of one person (and when it is, it's usually an abusive situation). 
    Every relationship deals with these conflicts.  Successful relationships talk about them, negotiate priorities, and come to compromises that minimize the tension for both parties.
    From the sound of it, the two of you prefer to ratchet tensions higher in the face of conflict.  Start talking to each other more, and learn to say difficult things calmly and with compassion. Get hired help if struggle to do so (ie, marital therapy). 
     
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    MrShorty reacted to anatess2 in Liberals in the Church   
    Conservatives working to loosen anti-pollution regulations are like people who don't want government mandated facemasks... they don't believe the pollution reduction rendered by the regulation is significant enough or even existent to warrant the restriction.
    And environmentalists use the same argument as mask-karens... if you don't approve of the regulation you must not care about the environment!  It's so stupid it's not even worth a first-grade exercise in dialectics.
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    MrShorty got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    I finished Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune to complete the series (at least, as envisioned by Brian and Kevin). More spoilers for those who want to avoid them.
    Hunters was kind of a slow slog through seeming randomness. The "enemy" is nameless and faceless through most of the book, so I never quite felt the urgency of humanity's preparations and infighting that slowed preparations over the course of the book. The growing and awakening of the gholas and the other events on the no-ship likewise seemed random and without direction -- other than the constant need to run from the nameless, faceless enemy. The reveal at the end that the enemy is none other than the robots from the Butlerian Jihad took me by surprise.
    Now that the enemy had a name and a face, Sandworms was more engaging. The plot still felt a little disjointed, but I was more interested in finding out how the humans would survive the robot invasion. Through the plot twists that revealed the last Idaho ghola as the ultimate Kwizatz Haderach finally revealed why, as I asked earlier, the original Leto II kept bringing back the Idaho gholas. I still wonder if Frank had this ending in mind as he was writing God Emperor or if this was a later development or even something that Brian and Kevin developed. Having the series end with another war between humans and robots with a different outcome was an interesting way to wrap things up -- kind of bringing the whole thing full circle.
    I guess my question now is whether or not to read the Butlerian Jihad books to find out how Brian and Kevin envision that beginning of the saga.
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    MrShorty reacted to Anddenex in Satan's First Lie   
    While studying the scriptures my mind fixated on Satan's first lie to Adam and Eve, "Ye shall not surely die..." Satan's first lie is the same lie that has been used since the fall of Adam and Eve. In the Book of Mormon Jacob asked an important question, "Yea, today, if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts; for why will ye die?" (emphasis mine)
    My mind is even more fixated on this first lie due to a family member who is now trapped by it. The unspoken belief now, "If I partake of the fruit forbidden I will not die." Another notion, "If I am a honest person, live a good life, mind mine own business, I will not die."
    Satan hasn't changed, the overall temptation and excuse is, "Ye shall not surely die."

    We can see this lie in thoughts given, "I am who I am and God doesn't make mistakes," by which a son/daughter of God then chooses a forbidden path (a forbidden fruit) that will surely enact the end of the Law -- death if unrepented and hard hearted.
    We can see this thought, this lie being promulgated, in many forms all leading the sons/daughters of God toward forbidden roads.
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    MrShorty reacted to NeedleinA in Church has issued a statement on Covid-19   
    Woooooh there buddy. Even the king of 'bad' suits up in his COVID mask before grocery shopping.

     
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    MrShorty got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    @Midwest LDS I may read it, only time will tell for sure. So many times, it seems that I find prequels disappointing. The original Star Wars trilogy made vague references to a sequence of events that caused Annakin Skywalker to become Darth Vader. I can imagine all kinds of vague stories and events and myths that lead up to it, but something seems lost when all of that gets pinned down to one canonical story arc (that wasn't really executed that well, IMO). In the same way, I can imagine so many vague, mythical ways for the human vs. machine conflict to play out and lead to the commandment to never make a machine in the likeness of the human mind. Even if it is a good story, I fear I will be disappointed to pin it all down into one concrete story arc rather than think through the myriad plausible variations that exist in my head.
    Still, with the way Sandworms ended, there is enough curiosity about Omnius and Erasmus and Serena Butler to maybe want to see how Brian and Kevin (and maybe Frank, if Frank had any notes on it) really envisioned the Butlerian Jihad.
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    MrShorty got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    @Midwest LDS I may read it, only time will tell for sure. So many times, it seems that I find prequels disappointing. The original Star Wars trilogy made vague references to a sequence of events that caused Annakin Skywalker to become Darth Vader. I can imagine all kinds of vague stories and events and myths that lead up to it, but something seems lost when all of that gets pinned down to one canonical story arc (that wasn't really executed that well, IMO). In the same way, I can imagine so many vague, mythical ways for the human vs. machine conflict to play out and lead to the commandment to never make a machine in the likeness of the human mind. Even if it is a good story, I fear I will be disappointed to pin it all down into one concrete story arc rather than think through the myriad plausible variations that exist in my head.
    Still, with the way Sandworms ended, there is enough curiosity about Omnius and Erasmus and Serena Butler to maybe want to see how Brian and Kevin (and maybe Frank, if Frank had any notes on it) really envisioned the Butlerian Jihad.
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    MrShorty got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    All Hail Shai-Hulud! Kneel before the Old Man of the Desert! Pay your respects lest the Divided God visit you in His wrath!
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    MrShorty reacted to mordorbund in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    And just like that, I've reached my limit for contributing to this thread.
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    MrShorty reacted to Midwest LDS in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    It depends. They weren't perfect, but I enjoyed them, and I thought they set up the rest of the series nicely. Plus I'm a sucker for political and military sci fi. However, many Dune purists will argue that Frank never intended there to be an actual robot war, and feel like the Butlerian Jihad series dumbed down something that was supposed to be more philosophical than physical (please correct me if I'm wrong fellow Dune fans like @NeuroTypical). If you liked Hunters and Sandworms though I think you would enjoy the Jihad series.
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    MrShorty reacted to Vort in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    I love the cleverness of the "DUNE" font. Somehow, I don't think the other letters will fare so well.
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    MrShorty reacted to NeuroTypical in Neuro's seitch for fremen fanboys   
    COVID may have delayed the release, but it's still coming!  Only fake trailers so far, though.  

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    MrShorty reacted to NeedleinA in Liberals in the Church   
    Amen & Ditto to this.^^^

    A visual that I personally enjoy:
    I've always felt particularly bad for this man (red arrow). He appears confused, paused, not walking in either direction. This is the moment where the real gut check is taking place. Will he decide to truly walk away or turn around and walk back to the tree. Similar to Vort's experience, I too was that man (red arrow) at times in my younger years. It was and continues to be the "conservative and fundamentalist-sounding voice" that rescued/rescues me and continues to help me to this day. Church Edginess is not the white knuckle experience I believe Elder Johnson was referring to. In addition, I feel that consistently flirting with the exceptions verses the rule is not white knuckling it either.

    I'll add, the conservative and fundamentalist voice that helped me always came from a place of love, often topped off with a sincere hug.


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    MrShorty reacted to Vort in Liberals in the Church   
    My knee-jerk reaction is to agree with this, at least using modern US-based definitions of "liberalism" and "liberals". But I know it is not true. People like you and me tend to think that the opposite to "liberalism" is "honesty", because we see the deep corruption in leftist thought. But the corruption is on all sides, not just "theirs".
    For an oversimplified example: Even if you dislike unions and see them as an obstacle to progress and honest work relationships, the fact remains that unions did not arise in a vacuum or because Satan's minions created them. Unions arose because people were being badly used and, in essence, extorted into working under deplorable conditions. In Zion, there will be no unions—because there will be no money-worshiping employers who value profit over human life or health.
    If all the leftists went off and formed their own nation (or equivalently, if all the conservatives did so), we conservatives would find plenty of corruption still plaguing us. Our self-congratulations at having finally rid ourselves of those brain-dead leftists would last all of a few months before it became obvious that the profit-taking had begun in earnest. Though it's entirely likely in such a scenario that the leftist "liberal" nation would take a self-destructive path that would ultimately mean their demise, we might be shocked to find out how close on their heels our supposedly "conservative" nation would be.
    Politics is not and never will be the permanent answer to the world's woes. Ultimately, repentance is the only answer. Without repentance, all is irretrievably lost, no matter which political affiliation you choose. With true repentance, all is hope, sunshine, and butterflies. Even for Democrats.
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    MrShorty reacted to Just_A_Guy in Liberals in the Church   
    Thankfully, belonging to an ideologically consistent political party is not a litmus year for Church membership; or we’d all have been exed years ago.
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    MrShorty reacted to Scott in Liberals in the Church   
    I agree, but it doesn't have to be that way.  All democrats are not the same.  Neither are all republicans.

    It's not like every democrat has to agree with Obama 100% or every Republican has to agree with Trump 100%.   It might seem like that at times, but it doesn't happen to be that way.  
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    MrShorty reacted to Colirio in Liberals in the Church   
    For myself, while I tend towards ideals that most would consider conservative, the truth is that I pretty much view politics as a distraction from what is most important: The Plan of Salvation. 
     
    It’s why we are here in mortality. 
     
    It seems to me that many of us spend so much time debating which political ideology has the greater merit that we forget that living and sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ has infinitely more merit than all other ideals. 
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    MrShorty reacted to JohnsonJones in Liberals in the Church   
    I'm not actually as Liberal as Faust was...but I DO appear to be politically liberal compared to many here.
    The IRONY I see though...
    is that in comparison to Many here, I'd put me AND Faust as Religiously (in regards to the Church) CONSERVATIVE in comparison to many here.
    It is interesting that BOTH viewpoints are normally unpopular.
    Conservative in this instance refers to someone who tends more towards the older ideas and beliefs (as were taught when I joined the church) rather than some of the newer and modern ideas that are popular today.
    A prime example is interpretation of Blacks and the Priesthood.  The popular ideas today is to discredit the older prophets who said such things were doctrine (and this idea is even backed up by Church essays, which ignore that the things they said were not considered opinion and were actually declared as doctrine on several occasions).  I on the otherhand see their declarations as part of their roles as a prophet and understanding the WHY's of those declarations actually helps explain a LOT about the pre-existence, our roles here, and why things in this life are actually completely justified and even merciful when seen as the whole picture rather than the injustice that many point out this mere temporary existence seems to exude.  In that, I see the Blacks receiving the priesthood more as a fulfillment of prophecy and revelation, rather than a correction of racism for which the church needs to apologize (a popular thing I've seen these days from some young people who accept that the reason they were barred was simply due to racism...which...if it was...they may actually be correct in regards to apologies and reparations).
    My slant on these things are DEFINATELY unpopular though, but it is a far more conservative slant than the standard view...which is one reason I'd say I'm religiously conservative, even if politically more liberal than many here.
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    MrShorty reacted to Carborendum in Liberals in the Church   
    And I don't necessarily disagree here.  I'm just pointing out (as you conceded) that there is something more important than what we fallible mortals tend to focus on.
    I'm sure there are some like that.  I've just never found anyone like that who wasn't trying to sell something.
    Perhaps.
    Not disagreeing or agreeing.  But I have been a part of many wards.  And many of them were very welcoming.  Many of them were very clique-ish.  But I simply didn't care.  I don't know why it tends to bother people so much.  Likewise, if people thought I was "not in good standing" I don't know how that would be much different.
    I've had bishops I've liked and bishops I've disliked.  I even had one, not bishop, but counselor, who seemed to have it out for me.  Life goes on.
    I suppose I can understand that.
    I once had a very liberal bishop.  He was one of the most kind-hearted and beloved bishop's I've ever known. He was bishop over a ward of almost 500 active Saints.  He was not only liberal.  He was a liberal from Canada.  No one knew this but a very few people.
    He had to hold a meeting with the priesthood (and a similar one was held with the relief society on the same topic) where we had to make commitments to stop talking about politics at church.  He specifically said,"The assumption is that if you're LDS in Texas, you must be a Republican.  But we're NOT all Republicans."
    I hadn't actually heard anyone in the ward talk about politics before that or after.  So, I don't know what that was about.
    No problem.  I'm sure it will come up again.
    I'm actually surprised to hear this.  I realize we disagree with you a lot.  But I think most of us actually like having you around.  Sorry if I contributed to this.
    I'm hesitant to say this in light of the previous statement.  But doesn't that mean I'm right?  Doesn't it mean that you think you know better than the apostles?
    Normally, an appeal to authority is considered a logical fallacy.  But in the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is considered a source of truth.
    I realize they are not infallible as individuals.  But if we listen to their counsel as an overall body of work, we're probably on pretty solid ground.
    I can think of several minor items not worth mentioning that I know that some apostles are indeed wrong about.  And the truth is that I've not yet received a testimony that Pres. Nelson is supposed to be the Prophet.  I actually disagree on two or three things he's declared.  But it's simply not worth it to me to dwell on them.  They simply aren't that important.  They don't affect my faith in Christ or the organization that He has established to be the hospital for the sinner that we all need.
    Sometimes I think that's really the best any of us can do.