AandA

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  1. I tend to think that agency is something more. "And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them." If we think of it as we still have the chance to pick our attitude then i think we miss something. If, for example, we followed Lucifer's plan we could still choose our attitude to what was happening, but the plan of God would have been frustrated, and for naught. Lucifer's plan was to deny freedom, liberty, and a proper arena where man could become independent. An agent to choose and act for himself without restriction (but still under consequences) to see if he would freely act as he should. If it were a law that men could not be baptized in a nation or they would be killed before it could happen, we would still have "choice" i suppose as to our feelings, but we could not fulfill the commandment, thus frustrating our personal plan of redemption. Thus greatly effecting agency. I think that is why it is so important that people, when they talk of agency, use countries and certain ideas such as communism and socialism when expressing agency. Choice is a huge part, but i think it possible that God also requires an arena in which the subject has freedom, or liberty. Any other way is just an "on-earth" example of what Lucifer tried to first enact in heaven. There are only two "governments", just as the scriptures say there are only really two churches. Free and Captive. Anything we can think of that might be in the "middle" is just on it's way to one end or the other; captive greatly impeding on our agency. These are just my thoughts, hope they may fit into the discussion, and possibly help the discussion. Thank you all for your thoughts.. helps me think deeper on subjects.
  2. Maybe there was some health issues there but i don't tend to think that that was the underlying problem. There is nothing temporal that is not spiritual. Joseph Smith was recorded as saying, "I have a subtle devil to deal with." The new testament also records an interesting verse.. there is a war in our "members". I don't think it out of the realm of possibility that everyone is given that one subtle devil to deal with.