Tsem

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  1. So women are better at learning to fulfill their role then men?I would agree. its in their nature. I believe that women are better at their role then men are, and its by and for the virtue of women that we really learn to stand up and be men. Women embrace their role through personal sacrifice, fulfilling their role keeps them humble. men embrace their role by having leadership over others, this provides a choice between a Satan VS God style leadership that can easily tip. think how easy it is to lose your temper at a child who will not obey your commands. fewer men make it to the highest levels of the celestial kingdom because of how trying their responsibilities are. My testimony is all I have.
  2. More women stick with the kid then men, agree or disagree? there is at least God, and Jesus, and our Heavenly Mother, and God and Jesus's Heavenly Father's and Mother's and theirs Father's and Mother's... They are all in the Celestial Kingdom already. Sure we can, this is how we test knowledge, how we learn and grow. How could they not be if more women then men make it there? We are tested in this mortal life by having revelation of truth tested against our agency and desire/aspiration. Because women succeed more often in the test then men we can say that women either have a greater desire/aspiration or that they are more able or more comfortable in fulfilling their responsibilities and Acing the test of mortality I started it as an analogy for why there are more women then men in the celestial kingdom. It became a long winded tangent when my belief was questioned. What reasons would you suggest that there are more women then men in the celestial kingdom? Or do you think male/female ratios are 1:1?
  3. The top is what I am referencing. There are more women then men there. Men and Women have different natures, Male and Female have natural, differing, roles. There are more women then men at the uppermost echelons of the celestial kingdom. More women are worthy of being a Mother then there are men worthy of being Fathers. This must be because women are better at being mothers then men are at being fathers. I thought that a women's nature was the essence of our discussion. the gender roles are thus not moot, for my argument is based on the fact that women make better nurturer's because it is in their nature, it is their gender role, their gender identity The reason I presented this idea was to assert that there are more single mothers then single fathers, this is because women more often live up to their responsibilities then men do, this is because more women embrace being a nurturer then there are men who embrace stewardship and responsibility. The point of bringing this up was to provide a mental analogy as to why there are more women then men in the celestial kingdom, so Cassious's question of whether or not women will be sealed to multiple male partners if there are not enough wives is only hypothetical. there is, are, and always will be more women in the highest levels of the celestial kingdom then men.
  4. Ah I see, I believe a womens celestial role is to support and nurture. I believe that it is a part of who they are; their gender identity. Is this what we are disagreeing on? This can be deduced from the fact that polyandry is not ordained of God. If there is Plural marriage, but no polyandry, then there must be more women then men in the Celestial Kingdom. As we know that only those sealed into a family may enter into the highest kingdom, we know that the population of men is at least equal to the population of women. factor in that there are plural marriages but no polyandry, we are left with the anecdote that there are more women then men in the celestial kingdom. as a precursor we know that only those who are worthy can enter into the highest kingdoms of God, we are left with the anecdote that there are more women then men worthy of a celestial glory. We might be getting into an argument of beliefs here, I did not suppose at first. I am debating from an LDS perspective. also: I apologize for derailing the thread.
  5. I have no data, only my perspective of a truth. There are more women then men in the celestial kingdom. this is because more women then men reach the celestial kingdom. this is because they are better at fulfilling their obligations required by a celestial kingdom then men are womens obligations are to nurture mens obligations are to lead. its imprinted in the identity of our genders. Women can indeed shirk their responsibilities. this does not stop it from being in their nature to nurture. this isnt sexism. men and women are different. its OK. God is not sexist because there are more women then men in His Kingdom. its just how it is. nature leads to nurture. two sides of the same coin.
  6. because women are naturally better at sacrificing of themselves for the care of others, hence cultural bias and biology. Women more often live up to their responsibility to care then men live up to their responsibility of stewardship for women, as you've stated, its in their very biology. men have to step up to theirs.
  7. I strongly believe there will me many more women then men in the Celestial Kingdom. Women exist in a Celestial glory much more comfortably then many men as women are able to handle their responsibilities therein much better. a good thought analogy is why there are more single mothers then single fathers.
  8. I'd like to open a discussion about animals with an eternal perspective. Are animals spiritually begotten by animals with celestial bodies? "all things after their kind" Are animals tested in mortality? The snake in Moses was "led away" by Satan, and was cursed because of it. Do animals have a higher intelligence than we see in this life? The Donkey given permission to speak, explaining he can't go forward cause theres an angel in his way.