Windseeker

What's the best post election reaction you've seen so far? A friend from High School who is busy planning her mansion that's soon to be built in Portland Oregon posted this -

Trump won.

Hey Mcmkk, I really like what LP told you. As for my advice, I can't recommend this book enough The Peacegiver: How Christ Offers to Heal Our Hearts and Homes by James L. Ferrell This is the book I feel you need right now. What this book did for me is helped me view those around me as our Father in Heaven views them. This is a huge step towards developing that pure love which attributes include long-suffering. I also learned what true forgiveness is. The information in this book put things into perspective for me and gave me the strength to truly Love my wife even during times she was completely wrong about me. No book has changed me as much as this book did (I wish it was the Book of Mormon, but I've always been LDS so I can't say I really know what I would be like without it). On top of that when I read your post I also thought about the need for boundaries as well, so even though I've never read the book LP recommends I think it's also a good idea. Some other advice I would add is a little unconventional perhaps. But I don't know what your routine or hobbies are. But one thing that might help is to switch things up. Part of doing this is to create space but you can also switch up the routine with your wife and I think it might be a catalyst for change. So if you don't work out, start working out. Go to a Gym, If you already work out try something different like go to a rock climbing gym, start doing Yoga get into hiking or mountain biking. You need to show yourself and her that you are dynamic. You may notice that people who go thru divorce all seem to get into shape and start taking on new healthy hobbies. It's because they realize they are independent and are trying to heal and get out of a rut. They also want to feel attractive and good about themselves. There is no reason why you need to go thru a divorce to switch things up. You are getting allot of negative input from your wife, so you need to show yourself and her that there's much more to you then this problem. If she get's jealous then invite her along but this is your way of taking control of YOUR life and may help your spouse face the fact that you are a separate person with your own feelings, hopes, and desires. The more you like yourself, and see yourself improving in other ways (outside of work) and the more confidence you show the more attractive you are going to be. One last thing I'd recommend is to also improve spiritually. If your not having family home evenings and prayer with your spouse you need to start doing that. Go to the temple with or without her. Just some ideas. Become the sort of man that you would admire. I wish you the best.

Merida wasn't bad, she was a typical teen, unless you really believe she was trying to turn her mother into a Bear. When her mother became a Bear the surprise is obvious and not feigned. Notice Merida immediately set out to right the wrong and didn't abandon her mother once. If Merida was bad there wouldn't be a story...or at least a good one.

Trump was also involved.... “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436890/did-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-rape-13-year-old-girl

The most important thing I learned on my mission was that Heavenly Father guides this Church and he loves me. That's pretty much it. Some odd things I learned. - The Church continues to grow despite the missionaries. - Not all members share the same beliefs about many things. I remember a heated argument in our apartment with a missionary who believed that the only purpose of sex was to have children and believed having sex with a spouse for any other reason was a sin. - There are individuals within the Church that believe the position they hold determines whether or not the Lord accepts them. How many they baptize and how quickly they made Senior, DL, ZL was super important to them. I grew up in an area with few LDS, but seeing this in the field really floored me. - I'm different then most guys because I don't care about sports and my experiences in the field led me to believe that team sports bring out the worst in people.

Here is another example of how the engine of the progressive left is fueled by division, fanning the flames of the dispossessed and enforcing victim-hood, and how their efforts are widening the divide between men and women, black and white, rich and poor. Yet somehow people are convinced they have the best solution for overcoming racism in this country. I wonder what Martin Luther King would think. He fought to bring people together and now the left is fighting to create "white free" spaces. ”Berkeley protesters form human chain to stop white students from getting to class

Sorry LP, You misunderstood what I said. I don't really have time to explain. I was disparaging myself not you. So just chalk it up to my poor communication (no sarcasm there). I'm going to bow out because I just don't have time to spend arguing about arguing or to perfect my communication. I just don't have time to explain clear enough, which is no ones fault but my own. I respect you and hope you know that I, like you, and every person on this board wants to see an end to discrimination and racism.

What studies? Who is discriminating? Aren't there laws against discrimination? Give me some names of people who turned Blacks away from their school, or employers who denied a qualified black person or the name of a Hospital that denied medical treatment to a black person because of his race. It's become too acceptable to throw around the word discrimination without any concrete evidence. It's very simple find out whose doing this and pull their accreditation or fine them or pull their license to practice medicine. I think my argument has been grossly misconstrued and it's not without any failed effort on my part with my poor explanations and examples. So to be clear..hopefully.... I'm all for discussing and finding a solution. So there is no need to argue the need for discussion. But it needs to be based on facts not chasing ghosts. My point is that we place a disgusting amount of emphasis on race. When we, (us, the Government, Media, etc..) start emphasizing character instead of race, we will see an improvement in race relations and a major step toward ending discrimination. As characters starts to matter again, we will see an improvement in communities where crime, single households, and ignorance dominate.

Oh..were you talking to me? I don't mind having a dialogue with you as long as you address me. Not really a fan of being dehumanized and addressed as exhibit 'A'. But evidently some people got a kick out of it...eh MormonGater?

I apologize, I didn't mean to offend you. I was puzzled when you read my post and asked if I felt one man was responsible for racism. I mentioned Obama but I certainly don't feel he is solely responsible for racism in this country. But I do feel he set us back about a decade. I expected too much. Here was a man that could finally put the seal on the coffin of our past and stand as an example to minorities that they have a voice and they too can make it to the highest office in the land. That he could not have obtained that office without the help from all races especially the majority white race. Instead of this he chose to fan the flames of division every chance he had. Whenever someone brought up his opposition as coming from racism rather then ideological differences he could have told the truth and defended his opponents. And for the record I do believe Obama to be a moral man. He has set an excellent example as a father and husband. I don't believe they face the same obstacles today that they faced 20 years ago. My point is that dwelling on our racial problems has not made them better. Sins of the past become sins of the present without forgiveness. But in the end true forgiveness is what it's going to take to end the conversation. This has not happened and the powers that be and their willing accomplices are doing their best to keep those wounds open for as long as possible. I'm getting no response from anyone as to what they feel about the Government/Media/Entertainment complex's role is in this. No response as to the power they hold in the conversation. No response to the unfair effect these institutions have on the minds of young Black kids growing up.

It's been about 30 years since Windseeker has read those articles so Windseeker was off on the age of Elder Kimball. Windseeker falls on the graces of the good people of this forum and humbly offers his apology. I believe what Windseeker was trying to convey was that in some cases the dialog itself tends to feed and strengthen the very thing the dialog is trying to abolish. Windseeker would like UT.starsoper to know it's perfectly ok to disagree with Windseeker.

Hi LP, i·de·ol·o·gy ˌīdēˈäləjē,ˌidēˈäləjē/ noun 1. a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy. "the ideology of republicanism" synonyms: beliefs, ideas, ideals, principles, ethics, morals; More 2. archaic the science of ideas; the study of their origin and nature. So to answer your question, ideology is not one individual. As regards to racism I'm talking about ending it. It really comes down to this. Does race matter? I don't think it does. In one singe generation my parents family tree now includes Asian, Hawaiian, Haitian, Hispanic, Native American and not in small portions either. Looking at each of these individuals it's clear they are different races, yet all from the same family. I look at my extended family and it's the same and they are all living in the NW. I live in Florida and people of mixed decent are even stronger here. If you want to see what we will look like in a few more generations, look at Brazil. I love my family, obviously, I'm sacrificing this entire weekend to watch my energetic half-Haitian nephew. It appears you think I have my head in the sand because I don't think there is systematic racism. I've thought about this allot, because it's very personal. I want my children and nephews and nieces to grow up in a world where it does not matter. When they come crying to me because they feel mistreated, the problem is that they were mistreated, the "why" of the issue isn't relevant especially when it's something they are stuck with and can't change. Treating someone poorly because of race is unacceptable and treating someone differently because of race is also unacceptable. Those who will mistreat someone because of their race, are a tiny minority and their groups (kkk, black panthers) have been completely marginalized. The vast majority of racist in this country are those that claim to be progressive but still can't see beyond an individuals race and they view every issue thru a racial lens. Most of these individuals are working to solve the problems and don't realize they are the current cause. They are failing dramatically of course. So I'm all for talking about police shootings, and qualified people being denied jobs or education, or how best to deal with poverty but the race of that individual is meaningless. So sure let's talk about abuse and every other topic under the sun. But what difference does it make whether a child is Black, White or Brown who is getting abused. Isn't the abuse the problem? The reason race still matters to so many people today is because the body that regulates our daily lives (Government), the things we watch each day (Media), the current events (News), what is being taught i school (Education system) have not found it in their best interest to see beyond it. This has to start with people who identify with their beliefs and nationality and no longer identify as _____-American. They also have to recognize how these entities are trying to control and manipulate them by making them see themselves and others thru a racial lens. It's not easy to do. But eventually the more racially blended we became the more out of step and regressive those who fight for this race or that race will appear.

I'm sorry I don't have time to address each response but I think estradling75 gets it and I appreciate him understanding what I meant. I will share a story that illustrates from our Church History the concept that Morgan Freeman is hitting on when he says the following - Back in the early sixties a young apostle with the last name of Kimball was called to resolve a major problem that was occurring in Brazil. You see what was happening was unprecedented number of demonic possessions were affecting not only investigators but also members of the Church. These valiant missionaries were on the front lines battling evil first directly welding the power of the priesthood but they were losing. Scary stuff right? As Elder Kimball continued to investigate he found these missionaries were sharing these faith inspiring testimonies to investigators and to members during sacrament meetings as well as sharing their experiences with other missionaries. After much prayer he came up with a solution...and no he didn't call down angels from heaven to purge the demons from Brazil instead he told the missionaries to essentially SHUT UP!. Stop talking about it. Guess what happened? It went away. It just disappeared. Now were there still some possessions after, sure, but not nearly the epidemic it had been, not even close. Does that mean all those encounters with evil spirits were fake? No. How do I know this, I read an account of this story and also my own father was in Brazil and went thru this. He never told me about it, but I remember hearing some scary things after sneaking out at night when he thought I was in bed and listening in to him talking to his close member friends late at night. It wasn't till I found this story after my mission that he confirmed this occurred during his mission. So what can we learn from that? There are some things discussion cannot fix. Dwelling on certain things prevents progress. Another way to look at it is demons promote demons and racism promotes racism. How about this. Take a wrong in your relationship that was cleared up. Now discuss that wrong every single night with your partner for the rest of your life, What do you think would happen? Hearing that wrong every night, how could it affect you? How does forgiveness or the lack of forgiveness affect an individuals growth and progression? While our racial woes stem from real issues that occurred in our past, the only thing preventing people of color from succeeding today are themselves and it's not even their fault. Big Democrats, Big Media and Big Academia have colluded in replacing the real chains of slavery with very real psychological chains of victim hood and dependency. They do so intentionally to meet their ends. It does not mean that everyone in the Democratic Party, Media and Academia have a quest for power, many reinforce these psychological chains unintentionally and out of the goodness of their hearts. They are incapable of seeing Black people as anything other than victims and they feel it's necessary to denigrate their potential by offering them sympathy for past wrongs and promising race based solutions to counter their oppression at the hands of what exactly?...evil Republicans?...the Police?...White People. They oppose every thoughtful solution to poverty, immigration, healthcare with progress inhibiting allegations of racism. Which group is sowing contention. Black against White, Women against Men, Gays against Straights, Young against Old. And tell me who is the father of contention? The victimology has become so vital and the left has been so successful in stirring up racial contention and racial hatred, that I fear if Martin Luther King were alive today he would be assaulted if he dared mention his dream of a colorblind society. Yet that is what it's going to take to move forward. The only racial discussion worth having is one about ending the discussion.

Very well said. Exactly. The other racism which is so prevalent that most people don't recognize it is sometimes referred to as the "Soft Racism of Lowered Expectations".

I guess it depends on your perspective. I believe I share Morgan Freeman's perspective that Racism is currently being kept alive and perpetuated by a soulless ideology that believes the end justifies the means and in order to maintain power must ensure people are divided as much as possible. It also relies on sowing victimization. We see just like Hitler had Jewish decent, we have had a mixed race man in the highest office of the land who has spent the last eight years ensuring Black people remain victims, dependents and have a healthy hate for white people. While I like to think people like myself and Anatess are doing our part by breeding the problem away ......, it's very possible that despite the truth literally covering an individuals skin, people will believe the lies coming out of said individuals mouth that tells them "You can't make it because of your skin color". It's my belief that if this ideology could go back and erase the contributions of Martin Luther King they would. It's with the greatest reluctance that they honor him, he served his purpose. You will never hear them quote Martin Luther Kings actual dream. Is not that telling? They simply cannot maintain power if his dream comes true. The bottom line is we are post-civil rights, you either believe we were all created equally or you don't. And no matter a individuals belief the laws of the land ought to be color-blind. There is no need for special laws or appropriations. A crime is a crime. Why is this issue considered a "Black" issue? Is it not a Human one? Doesn't it affect us all? You want Racism to disappear, remove all mentions of race in Government, stop tracking race in statistics or consensus, remove all race based holidays etc (ie Black History Month). Once the Government moves beyond race, the media will eventually have to follow, or risk more and more people identifying them as the racebaiter and dividers they are. Once the lie that race matters is no longer on constant repeat by our Government, Media, News and Academia, you will see the dawn break and people will realize that we are the least racist country on the planet and we are all lucky to live here. Won't there always be racist individuals among all races? Yes, but as we have seen with the KKK, the Black Panthers and soon to see with Black Lives Matter, they will be relegated to a hiss and a byword, where they belong.

I'm agree with this and Morgan Freeman's statement that the solution to racism is to stop talking about it.

Yes, thanks LP! and now I can say Thanks Carb! for pointing that out

QFT I don't have anything to add, but I needed this and love it. Thanks LP!

Sadwife, I'm so sorry and saddened by what you are going thru. You are not responsible or accountable for your husbands actions. They are his entirely own. Based on what you have said I would not be surprised if he's at the point of jusitfying adultery. If at this point you refused sex with him the rest of your marriage you will not be held accountable or responsible for his adultery or his sins ("taking care of himself"). In the same way he is responsible for himself, you are for yourself. You, yourself, are rationalizing because of fear. I understand that we should be patient in our afflictions, but that does not mean we are always expected to wait things out either. Waiting things out, in some scenarios, is "trying". But that is between you and Heavenly Father. I think perhaps it's time to take some risks for yourself and your children and even your husband. In doing so you will either be calling his bluff and it will improve your marriage or you will be moving on without him and be free of the pain his selfishness and sin is bringing to your family. It's a choice between misery and uncertainty. Either way your Heavenly Father loves you.

A recent study. Early Marijuana use is associated with abnormal brain function and affects the IQ.

Just want to clarify my thoughts on this as I mentioned them as well, and that is... Addiction does not deserve Addiction, Abuse does not deserve Abuse. Adultery does not deserve Adultery. All the cross variants are true as well, like Abuse does not deserve Addiction and Adultery does not deserve Abuse etc.. So just because you've had your own issues with money and caved into his selfish demands for porn, does not mean you deserve Abuse. As saints, our call is to turn the other cheek, but at some point remaining in a situation ends up enabling Addiction, Abuse and Adultery. In those cases separation is the only option. You have been Abused and told repeatedly that everything is your fault, so in some sense you are damaged and the only way to gain clarity is to step away from the situation while you heal. I have emotionally abused, and I have spent years trying to come to terms with the damage I have done to those my Father in Heaven entrusted to me. So these kinds of threads seem to rip the band-aid off the old wounds. Your courage in facing this head one will be difficult but it will only benefit yourself, your children and your spouse..even if it becomes necessary to dissolving the marriage.

Full Disclosure - I struggle with prayer. But my answer is first we simply are commanded to. Second, there are blessings and protections that are available to us, but they are predicated on our faith and without exercising even the most minimal measure of faith it takes to simply ask, they will not be provided to us. I've experienced this as a parent, when I dump things (I think are blessings) on my kids that I see they need, they often reject it or utilize it in a manner that has no lasting effect. I have learned to wait till they ask for my help in many things (not all), because it seems more effective and beneficial and affects our relationship in a much more profound way. Maybe there is a principle there in how Heavenly Father blesses us. I think Heavenly Father is waiting for us to just ask and in so doing protects our agency and ensures the blessing is for our benefit.

I recognize some of this behavior in myself during my first marriage unfortunately. I remember during a counseling session she told the counselor I would call her names. I remember I said I never called "her" stupid I was just saying what she was "doing", "thinking", "acting" was stupid. He told me flat out I was being emotionally abusive. It was a major wake up call for me and I'm happy to say I changed. Unfortunately it was too late and she shortly after went off the deep end. Threatening divorce is abuse as well. I did this also, it was how I expressed how angry and hopeless I felt. But it was wrong and there is no place for it. Your husband needs a wake up call. He may be so caught up in his own thinking he doesn't realize what he's doing or what he's about to lose. He needs to learn to channel his feelings in a healthier way and he needs help. You seem very afraid for him to find out how you feel. He has to know if he's going to turn this around. Please know this, you don't deserve it. Not any of it. At the least you need to get some counseling and see the Bishop. It is abuse and it needs to stop. Nothing is going to change if you don't start addressing this. If I were you I would put some plans in place. The next time he threatens divorce, go in your room, pack your things and leave. You don't need to live day by day wondering when the axe will fall. Time to take some courage and put him to the test. A separation for a determined time period might give him time to think and in some ways it's giving him a chance to wake up. I don't believe in divorce except for when it comes to Adultery, Abuse or Addiction. You need to come to terms that you are dealing with Abuse. If it ends up in divorce, it's not the end of your life or eternal life. I have learned thru much hardship to turn to Heavenly Father and say, "Here I am in this life where I chose to be, with these challenges that I'm sure are a mix of what was promised in this life and those that I created myself, surrounded by people I'm commanded to love, what is it I'm to learn here?, Here I am". Somehow thinking this has provided some perspective on things. Perhaps this is an opportunity to learn to stand up for yourself and to overcome your fears and trust your Father in Heaven.

I've moved several families that had alcohol in boxes. Lots of families just happen to be barely active enough to ask for the LDS moving company...what'd you expect? Where else are we going to find opportunities to serve? So you just move the boxes with the rest of their stuff, that's what you do.