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Congrats! Mormon.org Scriptures l LDS.org You should have or will be getting some manuals when you attend Sunday School. You could also ask your bishop and he could provide you with some material. This is one of my favorites. MormonMessages's Channel - YouTube

Haha! You just don't understand do you! According to your logic, we might as well as had Satan as the savior so that he could tell us everything we can and cannot do. That is the big difference between Christ and Satan right? Christ promotes free choice and not being commanded in all things whereas Satan would force/tell people EVERYTHING they can and cannot do. God never intended to tell us all things from cradle to grave. He wants us to exercise our agency intelligently only asking Him for help with more important matters. The 16th Amendment had to slither its way in so that the government could tax people on their income. If you think it is OK for big brother to take from the poor and middle class to give to the lazy and hopeless than by all means vote for Obama or Romney or Hunstman or Gingrich etc. America's reign is over. The politicians overburdened us with so much debt it cannot be serviced. This happened because we didn't follow the Constitution and not because we were following it.

The state governments make laws as the please that don't go against the Constitution. The federal government can say hey "New York, that law is against the Constitution." The states do not need the go ahead from the federal government to make a law. Here's a perfect example we all should be aware of. Governor Boggs signs an executive order saying that the Mormons can be killed or driven out. The federal government was obligated under the Constitution to do something. They did nothing.

The whole system is flawed which is why this originally was so simple. Let the people have the power and dictate their own lives. The increase of flaws in the system is directly related to bigger government and more taxes. Unfortunately we have dug ourselves so deep that only someone with high morals and a proven track record could actually save the system. America entered a depression in 07 or 08 and wont recover from it until many years down the road. Many of the signs are here even though it isn't accepted by the majority.

Not disagree with it but dishonor it.

That it no longer comes from the divine? I am not trying to argue about where it came from but you keep bringing it up. I simply think the Constitution should be honored and obeyed. Why would a people establish a law only to disobey it? Seems stupid to me. He is referring to when it was created. He was openly against income taxes and the welfare state.

I am not saying the actual piece of paper is divine and should be worshiped but it did come from the divine.

There is no doubt that the Constitution was inspired by God. If inspired by God, we should try to honor and obey it as much as possible.

From Wiki - Divinity and divine (sometimes "the Divinity" or "the Divine" ) are broadly applied but loosely defined terms, used variously within different faiths and belief systems — and even by different individuals within a given faith — to refer to some transcendent or transcendental power or deity, or its attributes or manifestations in the world. The root of the words is literally "godlike" (from the Latin deus, cf. Dyaus, closely related to Greek zeus, div in Persian and deva in Sanskrit), but the use varies significantly depending on which god is being discussed. This article outlines the major distinctions in the conventional use of the terms. So something that refers to deity or "godlike" Doctrine and Covenants 101 80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood. I suppose Joseph Smith was acting as a false prophet when he wrote this part. George Albert Smith "If there is any doubt in your minds about this being a blessed land in which you live, and that an all-powerful hand directs its destinies, remember that it was the Lord himself who raised up wise men to give to us our Constitution [D&C 101:80]—the greatest palladium of human rights that any people have ever known. . . . . . . He [the Lord] watched over them [the Pilgrims] and safeguarded their descendants and those who followed them to America, and in due time, there came an opportunity to establish liberty such as humankind had not known before. The Lord raised up Washington, and with him that body of men who fought valiantly to establish for us in this land a government for which surely we are all grateful. . . . The Lord has watched over his land: He directed Columbus to these shores: he led the Pilgrims here; he established the Constitution of the United States, and through the Prophet Joseph Smith restored the everlasting gospel to bless the children of men. If they will accept it and obey it, it will result in the salvation of the human family." "No nation in the world has a constitution that was given to it by our Heavenly Father except the United States of America. I wonder if we appreciate that. The Lord gave us a rule of life for this great nation, and as far as we have lived up to it and taken advantage of it, the nation has grown, and the people have been blessed. But there are many people who prefer, or at least they seem to prefer, something else. As one man said to me, “Why not try what Russia has tried and Germany has tried?” And my answer to him was, “Why try something that has already failed? Why not hold on to what the Lord has given?” The Constitution of the United States was written, it is true, by men, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and others who were their associates, but we have in this book that I have in my hand, the book of Doctrine and Covenants, a revelation in which the Lord tells us that the Constitution of the United States was prepared by men raised up by him for this very purpose. As Latter-day Saints we ought to know that there is nothing better anywhere else. And so we should cleave to the Constitution of the United States and in doing so, earn the blessings of our Heavenly Father."

I never said whether it should be a living document or not. I just want to follow it. We hardly honor or follow the Constitution here in America.

This sums up the reason the Constitution was created. The Constitution was created to allow a man, woman or child do whatever they want, however they want and wherever they want as long as they didn't molest another person or another person's property. *I'm not using molest in the manner which it is usually written today.

This is repeating what I originally said.

What do you think I meant when I said "overstep their bounds"?

1) I suggest you read this. Our Divine Constitution - Ensign Nov. 1987 - ensign 2) You are right about the Supreme Court but you must recognize if they interpret it incorrectly a citizen should not be forced to follow the interpretation. In fact there was a specific court case in the 1800s that discussed this. I will try to find it.

I erred in saying just Christians but a virtuous people is necessary. "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

Right but the Federal government is to make sure the state governments don't overstep their bounds. Meaning the Federal government could rule that property tax is not Constitutional and abolish the property tax.

Do you believe that even the Supreme Court could be swayed to interpret the Constitution differently from what the Founders intended? Even the Saints of old know this first hand. It was the government who persecuted the Saints, created an extermination order, drove them out, went to war against them, imprisoned them for polygamy and threaten them that if they didn't cease it they would never become a state. Income taxes fill the Supreme Courts members pockets more fully. That is for sure and every politician at that. The American empire is coming to an end soon.

I think you and I think similarly. The main difference is that I believe we have strayed light years away from the Constitution. Especially since 9/11. While the Constitution remains intact, I believe a Western world depression is approaching where I can foresee a global elite trying to replace the Constitution. The visions I have read, along with quotes from the Prophet Joseph and early leaders, indicate that this will not happen but America will be cleansed with bloodshed worse than the Civil War. If this seems extreme to you, read about the Weimar's Republic of Germany account of hyperinflation and the rise of Hitler.

Do you think it is right that the government taxes you and then wastes it through some ways I'll list below. Don't forget some of the ways they waste are totally against a virtuous and Christian people. *Wars without a declaration (haven't had one since WWII) *Michelle Obama's personnel staff cost taxpayers $1.75 million per year (Michelle Obama's personnel staff cost taxpayers $1.75 million per year - San Diego County Political Buzz | Examiner.com) *Planned parenthood who funds abortion and promotes no child bearing (Media Ignores What Planned Parenthood Does With Govt Funds | LifeNews.com) *Along with the abortion issue, ~50 million babies have been aborted in the US, dwarfs the Holocaust *Social Security which is neither social or secure, SS it 100% a ponzi scheme therefore it is not secure and you are forced to do it therefore it isn't social This is a very, very small list. The Constitution prevented taxation because they knew how government would wast trillions of dollars on hooking up their buddies. I believe that many of the political heads are Gadiantons.

So how is 50% of our earnings per year, money, and 50% of the Nephites farm yields any different? It is 50% of your time and production. The fact is that you are better with your money than the government is. I never said slavery; you did. We haven't even mentioned property tax which is totally against the Constitution. You are never a true property owner with property tax because even if your mortgage is paid off and you don't pay the tax, your house will get auctioned off. This was never what the Founder's envisioned. I think we all would agree here that they are rolling over in their graves.

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I shouldn't have said yes necessarily. I am not all too familiar with the agrarian society. I believe Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson studied them thoroughly. I believe in the free market. I believe the free market will provide services far better than any government service ever. I believe in living a Constitutional law and free markets and not Keynesianism. Income taxes and most taxes are tyrannical. The Book of Mormon people, the righteous ones at the time, said they were taxed 50% under a king and it was burdensome and hard. I don't know why people would think that taking from a individual to give to another without consent is OK. Boggles my mind.

Yes. How do you envision Zion? While your scenario sounds ideal in the long term it is dangerous and we will see the danger shortly. It is far better for a family to be self sufficient therefore it would likewise be far better for cities and states to be self sufficient. When we add other countries into the equation we also add many unwanted variables. For example, China produces much of what we consume. The United States, who has become a warmonger, acts as if they'd love to attack Iran. China and Russia have both announced that they will attack the US if we attack Iran. This could greatly hurt or disrupt supply chains like one wouldn't believe. It is always best for smaller communities to become self sufficient. These self sufficient communities combine to build something like a hospital. Moses led the children in mini tribes or groups. I think 70 or 100 families would exist together. Cleon Skousen elaborates on this greatly in his book "The Cleansing of America".

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I have read all the anti Mormon literature I could find and to me it is comical at best. Much of science is a farce and is manipulated. Not a bishop, stake president or Apostle committing heinous sin would even do so. I have had too many Spiritual visitations to ever deny them PLUS the Gospel makes perfect sense to me. I do have a question though and would appreciate some feedback. The parable of the ten virgins. I always focused on the 5 having oil and the other having little or none. I also was told that this represented the membership of the Church but recently I stumbled upon something that made me think of the parable in a light I never have before even though it is so obvious. The fact that these women were virgins makes me to believe that they are pure or holy. What then does the oil represent? Food storage? A garden?

I propose less government spending and smaller government. The Founders never intended for government to grow so large. Yes I know the population has grown but government has grown far greater as a percentage when compared to our country's birth. The government could do its duty, as advised by the Constitution, without income taxes. They couldn't now, when they've assumed so many responsibilities not authorized in the Constitution, because our debt is so large and becoming unmanageable. That's why debt is so bad because it doesn't only destroy, or temporarily burden, families and individuals but it can destroy governments too. The United States is not immune to this and in fact we are headed for some serious trouble soon. The Constitution does authorize either direct or non direct taxes. Please excuse my forgetfulness on this manner. I think non direct taxes. Either way, they can tax items that aren't necessary for people to live. They also have tariffs.