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Hello, Again allot to get through! I will head over to the suggested sites thanks for those. I don’t know where to start but to address this Christian denomination thing I don’t know what sort of churches you have over there but certainly all my Christian friends from various churches all pray the same way and have the same beliefs, I don’t think adding another book of sect will clear any of the "problems" but I don’t see problems I see us all part of the body of Christ and each section of the body has a different job to perform the foot works differently to the hand and that is what the body of Christ is each church has different gifts to offer and in recent history I know here as I mentioned in the ecumenical partnerships the different parts of the body are joing to get as one, but Mormon's as stated don’t join in. Perhaps Christianity over the pond is wayward but it has huge positive effects here despite becoming a largely secular country now. The body can only work if every works together which it is non doing. My reasons for coming on here are as follows. I will go through my motives for this exercise. Excuse if it doesn’t flow from the above I wrote this earlier. I am genuily interested and fascinated by your beliefs, I first came across Mormons when I first became a Christian and spending the majority of my life as a non believer I obviously started a journey which includes which church to attend. My conversion involved meeting the Lord in Saul to Paul type. I tried various churches before settling and whilst on this journey I bumped in to a couple of your missionaries. I had a brief chat and the invited themselves back in which I agreed. The came back gave me a Book of Mormon with suggested readings we had a chat and watched the Joseph Smith DVD I should have been alarmed when they looked on at me funny whilst I was having a cup of tea, anyway I was feeling more uncomfortable after watching the DVD they told me to pray for direction and offered to come back I accepted they came back a few days later despite being very insistent on coming the very next day! I prayed and God told me to carry on searching and not to go with them and then as I opened my bible it opened on Matthew 7:15 and continuing to look through Matthew other similar warnings as in a lot of the bible. Coincidence or God guidance? So when the missionaries returned I stated what I had discovered and had been revealed to me – they certainly did not seem all happy and smiley after that so much so I send my kids upstairs, to be fair it was only one of them who took more of an aggressive approach the other just sat quietly which in this instance Matthew 7:15 spoke for itself! To feel very uncomfortable in my home again and to have to ask them to leave and only after the 2nd time of asking they did! Wasn’t such a good selling point! I have had other conversations with Mormons which ends up answering a question with a question my most recent encounter a Mormon came out with this outrageous sentence “that is if the bible is true” not my words a female Mormon missionaries statement when I mentioned something from the bible. Imagine saying that to or non believer you will have just cemented what they believe! Other than that things I have read on the internet which some I take with a pinch of salt until this personal testimony of an ex Mormon who I know and unfortunately now an atheist! “I was a Mormon, I couldn’t do anything I tried to leave but they only way I could was by closing my bank account and moving I don’t believe in anything now” If the Book of Mormon can have a genuine impact on Christianity then may I suggest that the missionaries have some more courtesy and not condemn the bible. I am now well involved and training to be a lay preacher and do a lot of voluntary work in the community, I thoroughly enjoy ecumenical worship with all denominations coming together in a different churches with preachers from different denominations preaching the same message afterwards everyone discussing the service and not condemning each other to hell and not even the Catholics! The body is coming together. I will now end this discussion as I don’t want anyone to be getting upset with me, but please feel free to contact me and I will continue to linger and if its okay comment on other posts. Many Thanks for all your time and responses. God Bless.

Hi Mnn727. Thanks for your reply. Just a quick question on this Are you an exclusivist religion? No, we believe most people can reach heaven Who are most and what standards would you personally believe or the mormon church believe you need to get to heaven?

Sorry for the late replies had work to do! WOW so much to take in! I will address the best I can. FAO FunkyTown Sorry I didn’t want any aggressiveness I just think these are valid points if anyone wants to make a reasonable choice of faith. I know you are not the judge of Israel so why when Mormon missionaries act like that when you try to discuss with them about the Book despite you already saying that you already believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour? In reference to the clarification - Yes I believe in infant baptism as we are all born with sin so why not start mortal life the right way? I also believe that baptism is also for adults who are born again. It is also a way of dedicating the child to God as Abraham did. No I believe God can be worshipped anytime, any place. No no one knows that exact date "not even the angels in heaven" knows the date only "the father" Can you clarify the alleged section of Isaiah which prophesied the Book the Mormon? I don’t know how it works over the pond but we have something call ecumenical partnerships in which churches off all denominations including Catholics come together to worship and work as one church united in Christ under the leadership of the Holy Spirit, the Mormon Church did not want to be part of it. The bible does not need clarification and any that is needed is given by the Spirit living within us. The main gospel truths are agreed on by all denominations is the main one as in John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. That doesn’t need clarifying? Oh and yes I have read the bible and currently studying it for a course I am doing. Have you read it or is it just The Book of Mormon that you read as that is the only thing ever pushed by missionaries so to a non Christian wouldn’t the bible be a better start if its another testament as it would be like reading Return of the King before the Fellowship of the ring – wouldn’t make sense?! I had to laugh at the remark about the Pharisee’s – can I just “clarify” that the Pharisee’s where religious leaders that walked around town dressed up in fancy robes claiming they knew all the truths? Reminds me something that? FAO Blackmarch. Hello and thank you for the welcome. I would have thought if anything Mormonism would come under Reformationist as Joseph Smith had his encounter or revelation during a reform? As stated about with regards to exculsivsm the Book of Mormon. And judging by your answer about your church then that would be yes. The Bible teaches us how to prayer the Lords Prayer and in verses Philippians 4:6-7, Ephesians 6:18, Romans 8:26, 1 John 1:9, 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18, James 4:3, Matthew 6:5-8, John 14:13-14, Mark 11:22-25 The Bible teaches about Baptism Acts 22:16, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Acts 2:38, Matthew 28:19 Christ atonement – he died for our sins, what else is there to say? The teachings of faith seems clear enough to me. Accept Christ as your Lord and saviour and you will be free and made right with God and come into relationship with him. I don’t know any Christian who doesn’t want Jews to accept Christ? He is The King of the Jews their messiah and Muslims as Christ died for all. So it’s a test? If I choose not to accept the Book of Mormon I have then lost my salvation? FAO Loudmouth Hi thanks for your reply. No I didn’t come on as I stated in a hostile way but feel I am now on the defensive which I feel when I speak to missionaries. I have to disagree with your thoughts on God wanting something in return as I think that Christ’s birth, death and resurrection would mean nothing if that was the case. Example your dad has you then says “right son go get a job and give me all your money that’s why I had you” where is the love between parent and child? God showed us his through the death of Christ However on the other side. Christians don’t just think right I am saved I will sit here happily with my bible in my self righteousness. Christians preach and teach the Gospel message because they want to and not because they have to and through good deeds. By “loving our neighbour” shows Gods love. My wife works full time on a voluntary basis at Christian run homeless shelter with many others. Why? Because they want to not because they have to and that is another way of showing Gods love for us. I preach the gospel to those who want to hear it. Paul preached to those who wanted to hear it he didn’t drag a crowd round him they came of their own free will, God wants us to love him for the sacrifice he gave us through Christ and his grace has seen his church grow nicely for the past 2000+ years. Christians don’t just pick a verse and think that’s it I was using that as an example as Timothy tells us “All scripture(the bible) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” Phew! – thanks for reading if you don’t lose track on the way and I think I have covered everything.

Thanks for those. Just to pick up on the "however's" Back to exclusivsm I am referring to the Book of Mormon in this case do you believe that if we don't have the Book of Mormon we are not saved? What does the Book of Mormon have to offer which the bible doesn't and why? When you say "truth" what other truths do you need than what Jesus tells us in "I am the way the truth and life" so what is the need for more teachings? Again sorry if this has previously been covered.

Thanks and not to worry I am not clever enough to try any ID theft just wasn't sure of the preferred method and like I say when I speak to missionaries I don't get my questions answered! I will start off slowly sorry if any questions have previously been answered. Do you consider yourself a separate religion from Christianity or another faith denomination within Christianity such Baptist or Methodist? Where does the word Mormon come from? Are you an exclusivist religion? What are your opinions on Christians that are not Mormons? What are your opinions to Jehovah's Witnesses? Thanks and there are more to come!

Hello. I have just come on here to respectfully ask some questions but first I would like to know if that is okay? If it is not the I bid you adieu. I have conversed with multiple Mormon missionaries on the street and even in my house so in no way would I consider myself hostile, just when I ask a question they come back with a question which doesn't really answer what I need to know. So if anybody would you like to assist me either on here in privately please let me know if this is not okay please let me know and I will never darken your doorsteps again! If you would like to know anything about me please ask and a possible an answer to a main question - I am a Christian. Many Thanks for your assistance I will check back later. Grace be with you.