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Before the Kingdoms of Glory were revealed to us... The same type of question was asked about the dividing line between Heaven and Hell.  The best in Hell and the worst in Heaven weren't that much apart yet there rewards were starkly different.
Now the Lord has revealed the Three Kingdoms of Glory showing that not all receive the same rewards...  We don't know much about the Kingdoms of Glory except that the Celestial Kingdom appears to have an internal difference of rewards between the Exalted and the rest.
Therefore to me the revelations of the Three Kingdoms of Glory is a giant clue bat that we should stop thinking that the Heaven/Hell model or the Kingdom's model is an all or nothing type deal in the Lord's plan.  But rather its more of a spectrum.  Sure there are lines drawn but the reward/punishment change is gradual as you move through it. 
 

Before the Kingdoms of Glory were revealed to us... The same type of question was asked about the dividing line between Heaven and Hell.  The best in Hell and the worst in Heaven weren't that much apart yet there rewards were starkly different.
Now the Lord has revealed the Three Kingdoms of Glory showing that not all receive the same rewards...  We don't know much about the Kingdoms of Glory except that the Celestial Kingdom appears to have an internal difference of rewards between the Exalted and the rest.
Therefore to me the revelations of the Three Kingdoms of Glory is a giant clue bat that we should stop thinking that the Heaven/Hell model or the Kingdom's model is an all or nothing type deal in the Lord's plan.  But rather its more of a spectrum.  Sure there are lines drawn but the reward/punishment change is gradual as you move through it. 
 

Indeed. 

I have some issues with the whole idea.  If I am doing a transaction with some one, the ideal of Capitalism and Christianity would be that we both got good value in the exchange.  AKA it was a Win Win.

This mindset tells me I can't do an exchange with someone if they might Win and they might do something with that win that I do not like.  That sounds like a very dark side of Capitalism and not very Christian at all.

Don't get me wrong, working with someone that shares your values makes the Wins even better but that can be very isolationist if that is all whom you will engage with.
In this case I have no issues whatsoever.  In the Book of Mormon, Nephi talks about there being 2 Churches only.  Church of God and the Church of the Devil.  Now clearly we think our Church as the Church of God...  But I can't say the Church of Christ is the church of the devil...  I have to classify it as also a Church of God.  One with lesser light and truth, sure, but still in the group.  And with that mindset why wouldn't we engage in a transaction that benefits both?  Seems very Christ-like to me

Indeed...

My prediction/conspiracy theory is..
No matter who wins the loser will claim election fraud as an excuse for poor behavior for losing.
But neither party will be proactive in securing the election because neither one are sure they can win a fair vote.  Calling fraud is too good of a tool for either side to risk giving it up.  Thus furthering our slide into the Divided States of America
 

Indeed...

My prediction/conspiracy theory is..
No matter who wins the loser will claim election fraud as an excuse for poor behavior for losing.
But neither party will be proactive in securing the election because neither one are sure they can win a fair vote.  Calling fraud is too good of a tool for either side to risk giving it up.  Thus furthering our slide into the Divided States of America
 

Sorry you are going through this.
Based on what you have told us my advise is... Do not stop doing what you know/feel to be right for your kids even if your ex benefits.  With the divorce your priority needs to be your kids, which it looks like you have been doing.  But now it seems like you want to control things to cut out your ex from any benefits she gets from being the mother of your kids.  This completely understandable... But is also completely the natural man talking(which is why we understand it so well) don't give in to it.  It leads to a bad and dark place.
Instead take your frustration, sense of offended fairness, sense offended justice and hand it to the Lord and let him deal with it.  Allowing you to get back to focusing on being the best father you can be to your kids.
As for your ex...  Kids are more aware then we give them credit for, they might not understand it yet but they will sooner then you think.  Everything your ex is claiming you are doing she will accomplish entirely on her own with out you doing anything to her (Based on what you have said unless she repents).
So turn it over to the Lord.  Do what you know to be right... Let her laugh and mock and scorn you from the great and spacious building, heed her not.  It will fall on her soon enough.
 
 

I find it hard to talk about the judgemental-ness of others without becoming judgemental myself.
When someone asks me "Am I a Christian?" I answer yes... because I believe that answer is correct.  When someone (rarely) asks "Why do "others" consider you to not be Christian?"  and I can answer that one too.  There is a doctrinal difference that is at the foundation of the disagreement.  A lot of people like to make a big deal of the difference, but for me when I ask myself if I were to believe differently on the doctrinal point would I be acting differently.  And I have to say the answer is No.
While I disagree with the other doctrinal interpretation for many reasons I have never found the difference to make a difference in how I act.

I find it hard to talk about the judgemental-ness of others without becoming judgemental myself.
When someone asks me "Am I a Christian?" I answer yes... because I believe that answer is correct.  When someone (rarely) asks "Why do "others" consider you to not be Christian?"  and I can answer that one too.  There is a doctrinal difference that is at the foundation of the disagreement.  A lot of people like to make a big deal of the difference, but for me when I ask myself if I were to believe differently on the doctrinal point would I be acting differently.  And I have to say the answer is No.
While I disagree with the other doctrinal interpretation for many reasons I have never found the difference to make a difference in how I act.

I find it hard to talk about the judgemental-ness of others without becoming judgemental myself.
When someone asks me "Am I a Christian?" I answer yes... because I believe that answer is correct.  When someone (rarely) asks "Why do "others" consider you to not be Christian?"  and I can answer that one too.  There is a doctrinal difference that is at the foundation of the disagreement.  A lot of people like to make a big deal of the difference, but for me when I ask myself if I were to believe differently on the doctrinal point would I be acting differently.  And I have to say the answer is No.
While I disagree with the other doctrinal interpretation for many reasons I have never found the difference to make a difference in how I act.

Indeed...
If you don't like how Christ is picking his leaders then tell him next time you talk tell him...  Vent to him... get it all out...  He will listen... He is unlikely to change how he does things.. but he will listen.  And you will know to talked to the one and only person who can make a difference in the matter.
 
 

Indeed...
If you don't like how Christ is picking his leaders then tell him next time you talk tell him...  Vent to him... get it all out...  He will listen... He is unlikely to change how he does things.. but he will listen.  And you will know to talked to the one and only person who can make a difference in the matter.
 
 

Indeed...
If you don't like how Christ is picking his leaders then tell him next time you talk tell him...  Vent to him... get it all out...  He will listen... He is unlikely to change how he does things.. but he will listen.  And you will know to talked to the one and only person who can make a difference in the matter.
 
 

I grew up in the Church, I served a mission, I have served and will continue to serve in various callings as I am called.  And I was clean shaven... up until the day my wife told me she liked the scruffy Aragorn look.  Now I don't know about the rest of you but I remember plenty of priesthood lesson around listening/hearing our wives.  I distinctly remember one General Authority go so far as to ask us if we wanted to receive revelation?  When we answered yes he told us to go home and listen to our wives.
I am a imperfect person I follow imperfectly but since that day I have been trying to do the scruffy Aragon look even though I am not nearly as good looking.  Because that is what the prophet (by proxy) has instructed me to do.  I am going to continue to do so until instructed otherwise.
Now some one might look at me and judge me that I am not following the prophet...  That is their unrighteous judgment to make and answer for.    I got enough on my plate dealing with my own faults.

I think anyone with eyes to see...  Sees complaints about election rigging continuing to happen.  (Agree or disagree it doesn't matter complaints going to continue)  So why aren't we working to secure the vote and build up confidence that our votes are counted and fair?  After all it is one thing to simply say someone is a sore loser (which they very well may be) but its a much better to be able to prove it.
So why haven't we taken the time between elections to create a voting system that can prove the accuracy of the vote to the voters rather then forcing use to assume it to be accurate?

And there you go being offensively misleading again.  Time and time again the council of follow the word of wisdom (including no beer) has been given as general council.  To always be followed.  Whereas clean shaven is a narrowly focused council.  Your local leaders have told you to be clean shaven to have leadership roles... great then do so...  I have been in leadership roles in my ward also.  I have received no such instructions.  I would have gladly followed if I did.  Since I did not get that council...  I am following the council I did get to the best of my ability.  It is hugely  offensive (and very unchristian of you) to imply that I am using my wife as a pretext to disobey God.  Rather then assuming that both my wife and I are trying our best to follow God as much as we can

I think anyone with eyes to see...  Sees complaints about election rigging continuing to happen.  (Agree or disagree it doesn't matter complaints going to continue)  So why aren't we working to secure the vote and build up confidence that our votes are counted and fair?  After all it is one thing to simply say someone is a sore loser (which they very well may be) but its a much better to be able to prove it.
So why haven't we taken the time between elections to create a voting system that can prove the accuracy of the vote to the voters rather then forcing use to assume it to be accurate?

Wow... just wow...  You are so full of... something.... that you can't see that contradict yourself in the same paragraph... and then ignore your own data point to live in your own fantasy.
Lets recap what you say...  A lot of election fraud lawsuits were dismissed... this is a good thing I agree.  But then you point out that not all of them were.  Some evidence of fraud was found.  It does not matter which party did the deed but in your desire to stick it to the Republicans, you proved the point.  The vote and therefore the election was not secure.  End of line you proved it.
By your own words fraud occurred in the last election (it does not matter the party).  Knowing that this will be a challenge vector to the next election, wisdom dictates pulling the teeth to that challenge now.... before there is any possibility of partisan bias
 

I think anyone with eyes to see...  Sees complaints about election rigging continuing to happen.  (Agree or disagree it doesn't matter complaints going to continue)  So why aren't we working to secure the vote and build up confidence that our votes are counted and fair?  After all it is one thing to simply say someone is a sore loser (which they very well may be) but its a much better to be able to prove it.
So why haven't we taken the time between elections to create a voting system that can prove the accuracy of the vote to the voters rather then forcing use to assume it to be accurate?

For the prophet is human and can make mistakes vs the Lord will not allow the prophet to lead the church astray I heard the following story that helped me with it.  (That being said I am not a historian so I do not know if this story is a some what true story or a complete Mormon Myth)

Brigham Young was speaking in the morning session of Conference.  It was a fiery speech full of instruction and direction for the Saints.   Then in the afternoon he spoke again,  He began,  by saying "This morning you heard from Brother Brigham. This afternoon you are going to hear from the Lord."  And the rest of his speech completely reversed instruction he had given in the morning speech.
That to me is an example how those two ideas work together.  The willingness to do the Lord's will over there own is one of those characteristic that seem to exist in all our prophets.  So if someone wants to say that the Priesthood Ban was "Brigham speaking in the morning" and the Lifting of the Ban was the "Lord speaking in the afternoon" I have no problem with that.
The problem comes with the idea Brigham some how bound God and God could not correct the  course until Kimball that i do not accept.  Trying to protect an image of God by rendering him powerless seems foolhardy to me.   That being said.. . Trying to understand what God is accomplishing with the Ban... what greater purpose it served...  That can be a brain twister.  The church has not told us this. So we are left to our own logic an reasons.  I found mine but it is worth exactly nothing to anyone else.

Martin Luther may not have wanted a schism.. but actions have consequences.
Public displays are going to provoke public reactions.
While we do not control how other may react, we need to be aware of our potential as influences.  So we do not get to entirely excuse ourselves by saying we do not control others.  
When we nail our complaints to the door (Or Post to social media) we do need to take responsibly for some very predictable reactions

For the prophet is human and can make mistakes vs the Lord will not allow the prophet to lead the church astray I heard the following story that helped me with it.  (That being said I am not a historian so I do not know if this story is a some what true story or a complete Mormon Myth)

Brigham Young was speaking in the morning session of Conference.  It was a fiery speech full of instruction and direction for the Saints.   Then in the afternoon he spoke again,  He began,  by saying "This morning you heard from Brother Brigham. This afternoon you are going to hear from the Lord."  And the rest of his speech completely reversed instruction he had given in the morning speech.
That to me is an example how those two ideas work together.  The willingness to do the Lord's will over there own is one of those characteristic that seem to exist in all our prophets.  So if someone wants to say that the Priesthood Ban was "Brigham speaking in the morning" and the Lifting of the Ban was the "Lord speaking in the afternoon" I have no problem with that.
The problem comes with the idea Brigham some how bound God and God could not correct the  course until Kimball that i do not accept.  Trying to protect an image of God by rendering him powerless seems foolhardy to me.   That being said.. . Trying to understand what God is accomplishing with the Ban... what greater purpose it served...  That can be a brain twister.  The church has not told us this. So we are left to our own logic an reasons.  I found mine but it is worth exactly nothing to anyone else.

For the prophet is human and can make mistakes vs the Lord will not allow the prophet to lead the church astray I heard the following story that helped me with it.  (That being said I am not a historian so I do not know if this story is a some what true story or a complete Mormon Myth)

Brigham Young was speaking in the morning session of Conference.  It was a fiery speech full of instruction and direction for the Saints.   Then in the afternoon he spoke again,  He began,  by saying "This morning you heard from Brother Brigham. This afternoon you are going to hear from the Lord."  And the rest of his speech completely reversed instruction he had given in the morning speech.
That to me is an example how those two ideas work together.  The willingness to do the Lord's will over there own is one of those characteristic that seem to exist in all our prophets.  So if someone wants to say that the Priesthood Ban was "Brigham speaking in the morning" and the Lifting of the Ban was the "Lord speaking in the afternoon" I have no problem with that.
The problem comes with the idea Brigham some how bound God and God could not correct the  course until Kimball that i do not accept.  Trying to protect an image of God by rendering him powerless seems foolhardy to me.   That being said.. . Trying to understand what God is accomplishing with the Ban... what greater purpose it served...  That can be a brain twister.  The church has not told us this. So we are left to our own logic an reasons.  I found mine but it is worth exactly nothing to anyone else.

For the prophet is human and can make mistakes vs the Lord will not allow the prophet to lead the church astray I heard the following story that helped me with it.  (That being said I am not a historian so I do not know if this story is a some what true story or a complete Mormon Myth)

Brigham Young was speaking in the morning session of Conference.  It was a fiery speech full of instruction and direction for the Saints.   Then in the afternoon he spoke again,  He began,  by saying "This morning you heard from Brother Brigham. This afternoon you are going to hear from the Lord."  And the rest of his speech completely reversed instruction he had given in the morning speech.
That to me is an example how those two ideas work together.  The willingness to do the Lord's will over there own is one of those characteristic that seem to exist in all our prophets.  So if someone wants to say that the Priesthood Ban was "Brigham speaking in the morning" and the Lifting of the Ban was the "Lord speaking in the afternoon" I have no problem with that.
The problem comes with the idea Brigham some how bound God and God could not correct the  course until Kimball that i do not accept.  Trying to protect an image of God by rendering him powerless seems foolhardy to me.   That being said.. . Trying to understand what God is accomplishing with the Ban... what greater purpose it served...  That can be a brain twister.  The church has not told us this. So we are left to our own logic an reasons.  I found mine but it is worth exactly nothing to anyone else.

Yes... but you are missing a lot stuff that also has to happen.  Hitler may or may not repent...  If he does then he will have his sins remembered no more and it will not even come up in judgement..  That is the very power of repentance and being forgiven by the Lord its a very big deal.  And if want if for ourselves (Which I do) then we have to allow it for everyone else including Hitler.
As for the Holocaust survivor.... the Lord is going to heal him... completely totally...  without question.  Then the Lord is going to ask the survivor to forgive, not for Hitler sake, not even the Lord's sake, but because the Lord has asked him to for in his own best interest.  If the survivor at that point denys the Lord and rebels against God... It is pretty easy to see the greater sin there.
In this life we have no idea who might ultimately turn to the Lord.  All we really know is who hurt us and how badly we have been hurt by them.  So we need to work on forgiving them... not for them... But for us.  Ultimately we want to be able to follow all the Lords commands and the Lord's command to forgive might just be one of the hardest.
 
 
 

Yes... but you are missing a lot stuff that also has to happen.  Hitler may or may not repent...  If he does then he will have his sins remembered no more and it will not even come up in judgement..  That is the very power of repentance and being forgiven by the Lord its a very big deal.  And if want if for ourselves (Which I do) then we have to allow it for everyone else including Hitler.
As for the Holocaust survivor.... the Lord is going to heal him... completely totally...  without question.  Then the Lord is going to ask the survivor to forgive, not for Hitler sake, not even the Lord's sake, but because the Lord has asked him to for in his own best interest.  If the survivor at that point denys the Lord and rebels against God... It is pretty easy to see the greater sin there.
In this life we have no idea who might ultimately turn to the Lord.  All we really know is who hurt us and how badly we have been hurt by them.  So we need to work on forgiving them... not for them... But for us.  Ultimately we want to be able to follow all the Lords commands and the Lord's command to forgive might just be one of the hardest.