Faith_Grace

Almost every statement could be handled with humility by the wife, if she's humble enough and willing to really communicate. Without the wife's humility and meekness to take them in, nothing will change by these statements, they will just go on in the circle and find no way out. But the last statement is just a hard blow. Why can't the husband just leaves his sweet mommy alone, why why why?? As a wife, I'd hate to hear how great my mother in law is in the area that I'm seen as a total failure by my husband. As a mom, I'd never want to be mentioned in a fight between my son and his wife! (though my son is just 6 months old, I wish he'd never get me involved in his relationship with his wife. I gotta pray for that.haha). I will try to stay as far as possible.

"Comparing the experience they have with the Spirit with the LDS experience is like comparing a breakfast of donuts to a full and healthy meal. They are filling their bellies with things that are sweet to them, but it does not compare to the nourishment found in a real and complete meal. " I love this!!

I certainly read this scripture, but I've never noticed the reason it was given! Thank you very much! together with the scripture Moroni 10, it explains everything about HG perfectly then, I think. :)

Irishcolleen, Thank you very much for your neat and well organized reply! I love it. It makes sense! I generally don't like TV preachers neither, but this one was quite special. He was the one that practiced some "dark" mental power, that when he fight with others, he doesn't feel any pain. And he heard voices telling him to steal, and to do whatever that was bad. He hated himself, hated all people, and he actually planned suicide. Then, he said, in the interview, because of what he practiced, he could not understand Bible at all, not at all. (his mom was a believer). He one day was so angry, that he teared the Bible and stepped on it, spitted on it, and cursed God. He then felt someone hit him, physically, though he was alone in his room, and he fell, and he felt his heart beating really slow, like dying, then he heard someone saying "Forgive him, I forgive him." That's the first time, he witnessed Jesus. He went on with his experiences in the interview, it was just fascinating, that's why I searched to see what he'd been preaching. And then I saw this sermon, I love it, but the end just shocked me!

I would love to hear your opinion about this scripture. :) Do you think it's the Holy Spirit that got into the people that they would even fall, and they could unconsciously "speaking tongues"? Do you think it's the gift God gave them? I remembered this scripture, that's why I was so curious to know if it's really the Spirit. To me, when I was watching it, I didn't feel the same purity as I felt while watching the General Conference. But I definitely love the sermon, and their zeal and passion towards Jesus. I even got some "aha" moment. It just bothered me a lot at the end to see everyone fell...as they "received" the Spirit.

I got your point, but it was a general gathering, it's not just from one church, I would have went there too if I had been in Taiwan. There were popular singers and actors there too. It was really general. I don't think it's Satan of course, because it was really a good sermon. I was just really shocked by the scene. Everyone that was touched by the pastor fell on the floor! hehe And I never heard anyone from Taiwan in our church had this kind of experience with the HG.

I just watched a sermon that was held in Taiwan, it was a general christian gathering, from all different christian churches. The sermon was great, the pastor seems so passionate, and really devoted to the Lord. Then, at the end, there was something strange to me. People came to him, and as the pastor touched them, they all fell to the floor, and it was explained that they were touched by the Holy Spirit. I'm just curious, is it really possible? seriously? I don't know any LDS that was knocked off by the HG like that:p To me, when I feel the HG, it's always calm and peaceful and lovingl, I love it, I don't think I'd fall to the floor with this feeling. Does anyone know? I'm sure the pastor was good, he seriously preached for Jesus. This is what I like most from his sermon. "to feel the power of God, it not only depends on how much faith you have, but also how much you are willing to surrender to Him." Well, does anyone know about Holy Spirit knocking off people??

I'm just feeling insecure... when it comes to being loved, I'm always feeling insecure. greedy

That's a wonderful perspective to look at it! :) Thank you Traveler. This makes me feel better. :)

that's what I felt just now! Now I feel better, thank you! :)

To tell the truth, I was like your friend before, nobody can really help me, anything would just sound like an argument for me. Sometimes somethings no one can really help. You can bear your testimony, and you can pray for your friend, but she will not accept or appreciate anything you say or do in regard of religion until she herself is willing to truly investigate and pray for the help of the Lord to understand the scriptures. That's how it is for me. The moment I was willing to understand the scriptures, I prayed and I can see them as "they really are". ---every word testifies God is love. But I can't understand until I'm willing to understand. :)

LiterateParakeet (((hugs))). Thank you. I do feel better now after reading others replies, and receiving hugs. :) I'm just far from selfless... hehe

Thank you, annewandering, for replying. Wow, it sounds like you've got a lot to take in for your PB. Thank you for sharing this! Thank you. And thank you for your advice. :)

I truly agree with Sharky. I think those who are not the member of the church wouldn't understand why making a big deal of buying beer. Here is the most important issue. Your husband has been supportive of you attending the church, and he is interested himself. Making a big deal about beer at the moment really isn't wise. He would feel judged or forced by your standard which he doesn't share at the moment. This issue will definitely disappear on its own when your husband truly gets his own testimony and be converted. :) All the best to you and your family! Hold on. I understand it's hard. Love is the only key to bring someone to Christ. :) Don't let him feel judged.

Thank you, Sharky Maybe I'm just lacking of humility while reading it. I'm looking too much for proof of the Lord's love and care for me in my own way. I'll try to read it more humbly and prayerfully. Like you said, I've heard stories of others PB, so loving and sparkling, mine is just kind of humbling... and I don't sense the love I'd like to feel or hear. Thank you, I'll try to be more patient...

Thank you so much Wingnut for your understanding, and your hugs. :) "Your Heavenly Father wants you to know how much He loves you."---This is what I need to hear and see it written. Well... I don't want to be so grumpy about it, but I can't help it.

Finrock, it's a pleasure to meet you too! :) The thing I'm sad about is that that's the ONLY part. hehe. I have two kids now with my husband. I feel like that my faith stays stronger when I don't read my PB.

Thank you, Dravin This is lovely. I prayed a lot about the PB. I heard the Lord saying "selfless." Interesting you posted about your selfless service to your wife, and how it helps you to be more Christlike. :) This counsel I would definitely follow.

Thank you, Vort, For me, the counsel on how to treat my husband and family is the ONLY part. I don't have any other part to like. Well, the patriarch is an old friend from my husband's family though...

I got my patriarchal blessing last week. I've been trying hard to be fine with it. But it's really hard. It breaks my heart every time I read it. There is nothing wrong in it thought. It just that all it says is about my husband and my family, and every time there is a blessing stated, it's for the sake of my husband and my family. There's no promise, no advice, no warning, even no tribe. (I'm just adopted by Abraham.) There's nothing more than serving my husband an my family, which I happily accepted and I love it. I just do not feel loved or cared at all by Heavenly Father. It seems He has nothing to say to me, even if I do love Him with all my heart. I feel so sad. I do have a very personal connection with Him, and feel close to Him. But this one time in life blessing really make me feel like I was silly to think that I'm important to the Lord... I want to believe and Heavenly Father loves me and cares about me, but every time I read my blessing, I can't help thinking otherwise...

For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Romans 10:4) It's true nothing really changed. Faith is required from the beginning of the world. Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies in the old testament, and to save us. We are saved only because of His grace, and by our faith in Christ. What is faith? How do we show Christ that we have faith in Him? Isn't it by obeying His commandments? "If you love me, keep my commandments." What are the commandments? Are they still really exactly the same in the OT as in the NT? I think it did change. In the sense, something changed in the law, we now keep different commandments, even a higher law (commandments) But, you are right, nothing really changed. From the beginning of the days till these last days, faith in Christ is the only way to be saved. By the way, I think keeping the commandments is kind of "work". We love one another by working for each other, there is no love, there are only proofs of love. We can not know how much God loves us if He did not send His only begotten Son to die for us. We have faith in Christ, so we work. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21) I do agree with you on the point " For sure we have, in these last days, much more inspired teaching than did those 2000+ years ago, but Adam, Abraham, David, you , me etc... were and are, ALL saved by faith in Jesus Christ Who is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." But I will do the Father's will and keep the commandments because of faith, and I see it as a "work", a hard work. (I really don't always love everyone around me, still working on it....)

Excellent point.

Anatess, you are awesome. Thank you! I remember that I wondered why paul said we were adopted if we were children of God. (I already love the lds hymn "I am a child of God" a lot by then, so I guess the concept was already in my head.) Now that you mention it, I totally understand Catholic teaching on this, to me, it's totally logical, it makes sense. I now understand why Paul said we were adopted, but at that time I was quite puzzled, what I understood was like Catholics, so I was really confused for quite some time. Well, I found my way back to LDS though. When I get too confused, only a personal revelation could help, and that's how I got back to the LDS. :) Well, I'm just saying, I totally understand the Catholic teaching on this somehow, that's exactly like what I thought. (I'm not offending Catholics by saying this, right? I'm just excited to know that what I thought was the same as the Catholics.) Thank you very much for your time and patience! :)

Thank you so much anatess. I really love it. I was just reading all the scriptures by myself, so I'm really missing a lot of things. And since I'm not completely taught by LDS either, would you please tell me what does the LDS teach about these scriptures? Do they use them as the catholic or differently or they explain basically the same but more than that? I totally understand the what you just explained and think it's totally make sense and right. I really really enjoyed your answers to all my questions. It's the first time I totally understand the catholic or Christian teachings. Because everywhere I check, it's always a list of conflicts. Maybe you can take all the answers you posted here, and make a post about the teachings of catholic and LDS in harmony. That would be great. Because when I read the long list about how the mormon teachings totally conflict the Bible, it's really confusing and hard to get out of it. I'm not saying that the Mormons can only be right if their teachings are in harmony with the rest of the christians, but it's much easier to understand or accept something that is in harmony with what you believe. (I didn't believe in anything, but for the people that have their christian beliefs.) When we have complete understanding, we do find harmony, in life with other people and in the gospel. I really love it, thank you very much. Do you think I can use your posts here in my blog? I really love how you put things together.:)

Thank you, anatess. I just have one more question, the last one, I promise, I will not ask more. Since the this thread is discussing what exactly the Bible says, I'd like to know what do you "used to think" about these verses. "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"(John10:34) "I have said, Ye are gods;and all of you are children of the most High." (Paslm82:6) I know what I was thinking when I read it without any religion background, just reading with my own mind. To me, it's very simple, we are children of the most High, that's why He alone is our God, that's why there is no other God for us, our Father is the most High, who else can be higher than our Father, who else can be our God? And without reading Mormon scriptures yet, I thought, why are we children of the Most High, if He created everything, why didn't He call everything His children. Why are we special, why did He want to create us in His own image. Why are we so precious and special to Him if He created everything in the world. I found the answer, and I know it's true. But I now realize, that with a learned mind, the verses might mean something different. So again, I'm just curious to know. And if catholic have answers to my questions, I'd also be interested to know. Thank you. These are the last things I'd ask. Thank you for your patience. (Just a story of me to share. I learned at school that we, humans, are the evolutionary result of apes, I can't remember exactly, but I remember the teacher showing a picture of apes, I was 6 years old. I kept asking the teacher why there were still apes in the zoo? why didn't the apes in the zoo become human? The teacher said only the smart apes became human. hehe. And since then, every time I went to the zoo, I felt so sorry for those "ancestors" that had to stay in the zoo because they were not smart enough." Then I asked teacher if the smart humans would become something else someday and the stupid ones would go to the zoo. The teacher got very upset at me. So I learned not to ask too many questions... ) So, you know, I won't ask more questions. :) hehe