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There are BoM ebooks on the Kindle store that are free, and it made a difference in how we read our scriptures since in one instance each passage is separated by a line. Now we've all got tablets, but it helped when we were all using our Kindles. They can be amazing tools.

Sorry. I didn't mean to help derail this into another Prop 8 discussion. I've said my peace on the subject and I'll refrain from saying more. Basically, I don't think your belief on Prop 8 will matter one way or the other, as long as you are not practicing homosexuality yourself. Having sympathy with groups contrary to the church won't bar you from anything.

If you are preventing gay couples from enjoying marriage, you are in fact preventing them from living the lifestyle that they choose. You are forcing them into living our notions of marriage. I've had enough transgendered and homosexual friends to know that their open existance doesn't harm us in the least. It's a different lifestyle I don't approve of, but I can't call myself a moral God-abiding citizen if I didn't protect their rights with the same fervor as I would any Tithe-paying Mormon.

Agreed, it's about barring them from marriage. However, the only parts of marriage which we see is their outward display of affection, which is what I mentioned. As such, my statement still stands. Since it is not a victimizing crime, and since gay marraige does not infringe upon our rights as hetrosexual religious beings, there is no logical reason to disallow the marriage of a same-sex couple. Put simply, we do not have the right to infringe upon their actions simply because they offend us. We need to teach our children tolerance for differing beliefs, not to strike down what they don't believe in.

No need to be facetious. All three of the laws you mentioned are designed to prevent actions which cause tangible harm upon another person or group of persons. Gay marriage is not a victimizing crime, and it is impossible to spin it as such. My seeing two men holding hands or displaying affection for each other doesn't harm me in the least. It won't harm the sanctity of my marraige to my wife or my family either. It's easier for me to avert my eyes than to force people I don't know to live a lifestyle they don't desire. I consider it to be more morally right as well.

Here's my $0.02 on the matter: Though I believe that homosexuality is a sin, I won't lift a finger to oppose it either. Pushing laws that force our beliefs on others is ignoring God's gift of Free Agency. They need to choose the right path of their own free will, not because the law says they can't do it. Free Agency necessitates the choice to choose either way. As far as I know, the Church doesn't push it's political views upon it's members in such a way. They'll ask you if you've ever engaged in homosexual relations, not whether you support others' rights to do so.

I'm sorry to hear this. My grandmother is a childhood friend of hers.

I did not ask either of my wife's parents. However, one wasn't very prominent in her life and the other wanted me to basically convert to her brand of Christianity to win her respect, so I didn't see it necessary.

Popular media teaches our males that violence, bravado and frequently using homophobic slurs are the mark of a true man. It's sad, really, when boys grow up thinking that they can't display any feelings. It's a perpetuating cycle that ends up hurting their kids someday. Opening up is not a sign of weakness, no matter how often you've been burned.

We have a date night every Sunday. Usually I will cook a nice meal, consisting of whatever my wife is in the mood for, and she will cook the desert, which is whatever we both like. Sometimes I will download a movie that she wants to watch, or we will go walk the beach. Sometimes our date nights are as simple as looking around home improvement stores for ideas or playing video games. We've found that a date night is more about our frame of mind than what we do.

One thing we've started to do is to dehydrate canned vegetables when they're getting close to their 'sell-by' date. Beats throwing them away.

I'm curious how this works. I've seen missionaries accounts and they were Gmail, not Hotmail. What trickery is this? :tongue:

That's certainly when we accrued all of ours. Then came the baby, and the house, and the...

How about the foot-pedal-driven sewing machine tables? Remember those?

We've already moved all our movies and books away from physical medium. Kids have a natural talent for destroying books and dvd's.