Kyman

True. In which case I mean have the forum rules changed, that I can't speak and defend my position within the forum rules.

That is true, official church materials are reviewed and approved by the Prophet and the 12. Which means they also reviewed and approved the church official eternal student marriage handbook which is used for the current eternal marriage insitute classes that are currently taught. I still strongly feel married couples in the church should not postpone starting their family. I'll tell you what- I know I am definitely not the only one who feels this way. I know many, many couples in the church that did not postpone starting a family and everything worked out. Not to say things weren't always easy for them but they were blessed, happy and don't regret their decision of not waiting to start their family.

Are you not judging me according to what I think of when married couples should have kids?

Where are the quotes from President Monson Backroads?

Kyman, As soon as you take your conviction on this topic & try to apply it to other people, you are in the wrong. HiJolly Who is taking their conviction and trying to apply it to other people now??

But yet those quotes are still in the current eternal marriage handbook for the eternal marriage institute classes that are currently taught. If were were to disregard quotes from long ago regarding birth control- why would those quotes still be in the current student eternal marriage handbooks? So if something a Prophet was said long ago- that means it has no meaning anymore to you? The Church recognizes and still applies quotes from Prophets of old. The quotes from long ago are still studied, applied, taught and still in official Church materials today. We still study Prophets from old and their quotes. Such as the "Teachings of Presidents of The Church: [Jospeh Smith, etc]". Do you disregard the scriptures because they were written long ago? Do you only apply God's commandments if you feel they are convenient to your time?

Are you aware of the questions that were asked in this thread? The question of "what do you think?" was asked in the advice thread mind you and I am answering. The thread is entitled "is it "wrong" to wait to have children?". Please excuse me for responding to a thread on a forum. How dare I speak my mind indeed. Wow. Am I unaware that the right of expressing/defending opinions within forum rules was taken away? Do you not want the right to express what you want to (within forum rules) just as much as I want that right? We enjoy our right to express as allowed but when other people express as allowed in opposition to us- it can be a outrage. You are free and anyone is free to ignore my thoughts and to ignore what Presidents of the Church have said regarding to preventing the start of a family. I never said you have to agree with me or have to follow the advice of previous Prophets.

I am aware that is in the handbook. That is in the handbook but that does not change the fact Prophets have still spoken against married couples postponing the start of their family. That is in the handbook but this thread was still started. The questions of "is it wrong to wait to have children?", "So does this mean my husband and I shouldn't wait to have kids?", "I can't help but wonder if waiting is the wrong thing to do?" and "what you think?" were still asked.

Interesting how understanding quotes as they were quoted or even reading all of the words in a quote translates into that.

It seems you either did not read or don't understand the quotes I shared.

If ONLY, if ONLY...? Seriously? Do you really think you are the ONLY one out there with those situations/concerns? Honestly?

Do you understand what you are quoting? The whole quote should be understood and applied. It is talking about the TOTAL number of CHILDREN a couple decides to have. Neither the Lord or the Church has designated the number of children every couple must have. He is talking about meeting marital challenges and rearing children according to the Gospel teachings. This quote is NOT talking about when to start a family or postponing starting a family. How can you bear, care for and rear children according to the quote if you don't have any? You bolded the parts that talk of bearing children, caring for children, rearing children. You can't do those things without first being a parent. If President Hinckley is saying "The Lord has told us to multiply and replenish the earth that we might have joy in our posterity, and there is no greater joy than the joy that comes of happy children in good families", do you really think he thinks that joy of starting a family should be prevented or postponed? Another quote from the same source: President Spencer W. Kimball “Tomorrow when I repeat the phrases that will bind you for eternity, I shall say the same impressive words that the Lord said to that handsome youth and his lovely bride in the Garden of Eden: ‘Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.’ . . . “. . . You came to get for yourself a mortal body that could become perfected, immortalized, and you understood that you were to act in partnership with God in providing bodies for other spirits. . . . And so you will not postpone parenthood. There will be rationalists who will name to you numerous reasons for postponement. Of course, it will be harder to get your college degrees or your financial start with a family, but strength like yours will be undaunted in the face of difficult obstacles. Have your family as the Lord intended. Of course it is expensive, but you will find a way, and besides, it is often those children who grow up with responsibility and hardships who carry on the world’s work"

Congrats! Serve the Lord well and faithfully

Three years ago when I was in a young student married ward, the Bishop encouraged not waiting to have children. I have some quotes from previous Presidents of The Church: “Supreme happiness in marriage is governed considerably by a primary factor—that of the bearing and rearing of children. Too many young people set their minds, determining they will not marry or have children until they are more secure, until the military service period is over; until the college degree is secured; until the occupation is more well-defined; until the debts are paid; or until it is more convenient. They have forgotten that the first commandment is to ‘be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.’ ( Genesis 1:28 .) And so brides continue their employment and husbands encourage it, and contraceptives are used to prevent conception. Relatives and friends and even mothers sometimes encourage birth control for their young newlyweds. But the excuses are many, mostly weak. The wife is not robust; the family budget will not feed extra mouths; or the expense of the doctor, hospital, and other incidentals is too great; it will disturb social life; it would prevent two salaries; and so abnormal living prevents the birth of children. The Church cannot approve nor condone the measures which so greatly limit the family” ( Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 328–29). “The first commandment given to man was to multiply and replenish the earth with children. That commandment has never been altered, modified, or cancelled. The Lord did not say to multiply and replenish the earth if it is convenient, or if you are wealthy, or after you have gotten your schooling, or when there is peace on earth, or until you have four children. The Bible says, ‘Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: . . . Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them. . . .’ ( Ps. 127:3, 5 .) We believe God is glorified by having numerous children and a program of perfection for them. So also will God glorify that husband and wife who have a large posterity and who have tried to raise them up in righteousness” (Ezra Taft Benson in Conference Report, Apr. 1969, 12). Eternal Marriage Student Manual - Birth Control "And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them (1 Nephi 3:7)".

What do I think? I think your reasons are wrong to not have children.