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  1. SpiritDragon

    2019 Weight Loss Group

    I'm glad you recovered from your heart attack. Sorry I dropped off the map. I have way less time to spare for checking into this group and I wasn't convinced I was doing anyone any good anyway. Now a year later, have you maintained the weight loss and near vegan diet?
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    Resurrection Question

    Splitting hairs or not, I think questions like this help lead to deeper understanding of principles. Too often, I think, we as a church culture are too prone to accepting basic levels of understanding as all there is to know and discourage deeper study as reaching off into the fringes and not focusing on what is "essential/pertinent to salvation". While certainly too much time can be spent on studying pet topics, this to me, does not seem like one of those at all. How much more critical to the plan could it be than to try and understand the deeper implications and importance of resurrection. If I get any other thoughts on the matter, I'll run them past you.
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    Resurrection Question

    @laronius These are indeed some fascinating thoughts. Thanks for sharing. Some musings to consider: Moses 1:11 But now mine own eyes have beheld God; but not my natural, but my spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him. D&C 67:11 For no man has seen God at any time in the flesh, except quickened by the Spirit of God. 3 Nephi 28:15 And whether they were in the body or out of the body, they could not tell; for it did seem unto them like a transfiguration of them, that they were changed from this body of flesh into an immortal state, that they could behold the things of God. Could it be something as simple as needing to be in an immortalized state to enter the presence of God for the judgment to take place? One could certainly speculate as to why it might have been that we could withstand the Father's presence in the premortal realm as spirit bodies, but could not following mortal life, but there would be very little to go on that's firmly rooted in doctrine I think at that point.
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    Are Latter-day Saints unified?

    As for the green tea in supplements issue I have often wished that more clarification be given on that front, but I can see why leaving it to individual agency is also a fine idea. I can see the argument from both sides. On the one hand, it is an extract from a particular plant, but not the plant itself, and not being used in the hot drink form, for what that's worth. In this way, it might really be looked at more like taking vitamin C which is also a component of tea. Usually, EGCG is the main compound being referred to as green tea extract and it can be found in other foods such as apples - so does the fact that it was extracted from green tea make it wrong to ingest in and of itself when it's no longer part of the tea? On the flip side, I completely understand the desire to avoid it as well. Modern revelation has made it clear that coffee and tea are what is referred to specifically by hot drinks, so even if it's not being had in a hot drink form it's still coffee or tea, at least insofar as say having an iced tea or frozen coffee treat. If it's processed, at what point does it (or is there a point) where it would no longer be coffee or tea? Might just be best to avoid it altogether. This position can be strengthened by the idea that for years caffeine was viewed as the culprit, but that may have been a case of members looking to scientifically validate what the lord has said and have nothing to do with what we've been commanded. To my knowledge, we have no specific chemical in coffee or tea that has been validated as the reason to avoid it, so in not knowing what components are the issue, perhaps it's best to avoid anything and everything to do with it. While I can understand both sides, I personally opt to avoid supplements with green tea extract or EGCG knowing it was most likely sourced from green tea, but sometimes it can be a real pain because it's in so many things and has caused me to have to find new sources as it's been added to formulations I used to use and enjoy.
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    Are Latter-day Saints unified?

    I just want to commend both of you for sharing disparate positions and in humility working with each-other's responses. @Traveler this could have easily been a time to dig in and double down on your position, but instead you recognized the possibility that you have been operating with misinformation. @Grunt you could have easily gone down the path of calling @Traveler derogatory names along while bolstering your position with authoritative sources, but instead you gently put forth a separate set of facts that you have based your decisions on and let Traveler do with the information what he will. Well-played both of you!
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    2A Sanctuary Counties and States

    Thanks for your reply JJ. Here is one of the articles I found after first hearing about 2A sanctuaries: https://www.theorganicprepper.com/second-amendment-sanctuaries/ I'm guessing I don't fully grasp what is actually going on with the dual sovereignty issue. I also gather I'm not alone in that, though.
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    Political Gas Lighting

    From Wikipedia: There is a major political party in the United States and many mainstream media outlets that would seek to manipulate citizens into believing that they are racist simply by virtue of having a certain skin color. It's pounded in at every chance that they are privileged and racist even without knowing it. Dialogue is discouraged as rather than discussing what actions (that they can control and change) are racist, they simply need to bow down and accept it is so. There is a political ideology that is aligned with rewriting history to make the founding of your nation, which has been a beacon to the world about the greatest freedoms ever, is based in classism and racism. Yet a basic understanding of history should disprove such nonsense. The USA was based on the very ideals of freedom and equality. The very people and documents that have done more to promote freedom and equality in this world than any other are being rebranded as intentionally oppressive and abusive. The school system has been hijacked to fill the heads of the educated (lead to believe they are smarter on account of expensive indoctrination) with this nonsense leaving those who have learned actual history to be labelled as the uneducated... All the while denying these very "racists and bigots" stood up for the American dream and pushed for the very causes of equality and liberty they are painted as opposing. I could go on, but I'm sure everyone already has their opinions made, perhaps even putting truth over facts (is that a gaslight in it's own right? If one is actually a Caucasian male peasant, but their "truth" is that they're an Asian Princess... do biological, genetic, and fiscal facts actually matter? Did they gaslight themselves, or was it the people who let them buy into the delusional alternate "reality" by not fact checking them?) That brings up a whole other can of worms - what's with these partisan fact checkers who don't check facts at all but express opinions as fact? Are both sides guilty? Sure, but no doubt one is more so as @Traveler has suggested.
  8. As it seems that the desire to restrict constitutional rights grows stronger and deeper I found it refreshing to learn that there are counties and states that are establishing practices to defy federal gun restrictions deemed unconstitutional. As I'm not an expert on the US system of governance, I have some questions: My understanding is that the states having their own sovereignty are granted the ability to enforce or not enforce federal laws - which makes sense for them to be able to stand in defiance of federal laws at a state level. On the county level do they have a similar sovereign power to choose to not enforce federal laws, even if the rest of the state does? If the state itself passes laws that are unconstitutional do individual counties have grounds to defy state laws, or if they choose to do so are they pretty well going rogue and asking for trouble? Finally, what are your thoughts on establishing 2A sanctuary counties and states?
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    The Hobbit (As you've never seen it before!)

    This is fascinating for the history lesson that goes with it. I watched five minutes in and I'm questioning what version of the hobbit they found as it's so inaccurate it's painful. I might actually prefer to listen to by newborn cry and miss out on sleep than watch the last five minutes... but at some point I know I will because I'm fascinated by the very existence of this unfortunate production
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    Saints Volume II

    Still working my way through volume 1 and I do find it to be great reading. I look forward to getting to volume 2. I'm not surprised that you are finding all sorts of things that you didn't know though. As a life long member going on four decades of mortality and having served a mission and reading plenty of church history over the last several years, in particular, I'm still finding all kinds of new and interesting tidbits as well.
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    What is happening?

    I very rarely check in any more as it mostly seems like a waste of time for me these days. I'm busy with young children and when I have gone to the effort to share thoughts they don't appear to be helpful to anyone, so I figure I might as well spend my time with my family instead of trying to share insights with people I don't really know and doubly so when what I share is not helpful anyway. I did try for a time a couple years ago to work with some fitness help as that's something I do, but I started to just feel like a nag and people stopped responding so I stepped away from that too. That's on top of the fact that too often I just felt all of the conversation was becoming toxic and participating wasn't uplifting. Perhaps, I need to check in and try to contribute more again?
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    The COVID thread

    Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
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    The COVID thread

    Sorry to hear that. Is it a temporary job loss, or the end as you know it? My jobs have also been closed down for the time being.
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    The COVID thread

    I should add to that - this also assumes we are tracking all cases of the flu, and that is surely not likely to be the case either.
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    The COVID thread

    I don't disagree with that premise at all. I think that could very well explain higher death rates in certain parts of the world compared to others. If you don't look for it, you won't find it and should logically end up with a higher rate of complications and deaths because only the worst cases are being tracked. The thing is that to bring these death rates into the range of the flu we'd need to concede to there being around 17X more cases out there than we're picking up. Sadly, we'll never know the true rates because we only ever have the imperfect monitoring systems in place that we have and whether there is more of the disease out there than reported (I'm confident of that, but not confident were 17-fold behind) or the disease is as lethal on a case by case basis as the charts show, the fact is that a lot of people are going to get very sick and many will die. The big questions that remain for me are will this disease mutate like a flu and get added to the list of ubiquitous diseases going about? The good news is that so far it's not really problematic for kids so even if it does continue to circulate once it has made it's rounds initially, it will have killed who it will kill and the rest *should* be immune or at least partially immune via recognition of a previous mutation. If for the foreseeable future kids get a non-serious illness which leaves them immune to a serious illness later in life than it's really best to have them get it young, but this presupposes that a later mutation isn't worse for kids. My other concern is to find out if it could be a virus that can go dormant like a herpes virus and resurface anytime immunity is compromised - that will not be a good scenario. Time will tell, we just don't have the info we need at this time, but the info we do have is compelling enough to warrant some concern and not simply dismiss this issue as over-hyped scare tactics.