The Folk Prophet

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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Condoms are flying off the shelves in TX!   
    @Just_A_Guy another thought:
    When I said the following:
    I am meaning to imply less a broad policy so much as a criteria by which to judge each case individually. When considering each abortion this is the question that I think needs to be answered.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in Musicals   
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKLAHOMA!
    Finished watching it. Here's my commentary, for what it's worth.
    Dang, the show has NO bad music. Every song it good. The music is written really well.
    Additionally, the plot actually makes sense and resolves itself and all that. Yes, it's a simple plot. Bad guy is jealous and does bad things. Gets defeated. Not a ton more to it than that, but it works.
    Where does it fall down? 2 ways. Well, sort of 1. But 2. I say sort of 1 because it's all about the dancing. But... the first way is that there's too many dance breaks in the songs. In Kansas City the dance break works (Who would have thought a tap dance number in a "western" could work so well?). In Many a New Day the dancing just goes on a bit too long. By The Farmer and the Cowman it's like...enough already! This is a minor complaint. Just, ideally, the dance interludes in Many a New Day and Farmer would be shortened.
    Second...the danged stinking boring and useless dream ballet!! Seriously. Terrible. Take it out. Entirely! Remove that entire thing from the show and what do you have? The exact same story, nothing weakened, but without the *snore.... I'm so bored...* ending of the first Act. Just kill it entirely. Why it wasn't cut is beyond me. Honestly they probably should have ended it with a version of the song Oklahoma and then reprised it in the second Act. But who am I to second guess Rodgers and Hammerstein?
    Now, granted, I'm not a big fan of ballet. But in this case...what's the point? The message of the ballet is this... Jud's a scary guy that Laurey is scared of and she really loves Curly. Really? We didn't already know that?
    But overall this is a great show and very entertaining. Would that it were the worst of Rodgers and Hammerstein. As it is, I'm thinking top 3.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from MrShorty in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    I can state from experience that without a doubt the very happiest moments of my life have all been directly related to my relationship with the Spirit and its revelatory blessings that pertain directly to the gospel of Jesus Christ on this earth. These blessings are given, and have been given, only in relationship to my obedience to the principles and truths of the gospel.
    You seem to think standard good-feeling moments of happiness are equivalent to the indescribable joy that the gospel brings. That implies you must lack experience. Which makes your view on the matter suspect. You're trying to argue that one thing you, apparently, have never tasted tastes no better than anything else. This isn't true. When one partakes of the Tree of Life it is truly the most sweet, above all else one has ever tasted. May I recommend a review of Lehi's dream?
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to mordorbund in Musicals   
    I’ve been giving some thought to the jukebox musical. I mentioned before that I tend to not like them. I once saw an “honest movie poster” of sorts for Rock of Ages that retooled it Karaoke: the Musical! and I think that sums up my issues with them. If I want to listen to Billy Joel’s music I’m not rushing to hear someone else cover it theatrically. I would prefer to listen to the covers performed at his Kennedy Center award show before going to Moving Out.
    My exceptions seem to have two general forms: the originals were already theatrical, or the treatment is so transformative of the originals that I don’t care about the loose (or stupid) plot.
    in the first category I have Singing in the Rain. Only one song was original but I’m not familiar with any of the earlier performances. And my understanding is that these were already written for Vaudevillian style films. Similarly I enjoy some Gershwin. The particular play that introduced me to his work was Crazy For You, which was written after George and Ira’s death. It’s not the only one written posthumously either. For these the story still has to carry it (there’s some stupid treatments of Gershwin numbers) but the music isn’t as shoehorned because it was originally written to capture tropes. Additionally, it’s not some theater major performing BB King’s blues theatrically*; it’s theatric jazz written for the stage performed on the stage.
    For the other category I mentioned that I enjoyed Across the Universe (don’t watch it just because I enjoyed it. There is nudity that should have been omitted). Julie Taymor lined up visuals to really make the songs something else. I Want You is sung by Uncle Sam while drafting young men (check out the clip on YouTube). Strawberry Fields works for me because she doesn’t have the character explain an analogy of soldiers bleeding out like crushed strawberries. She takes advantage of film and creates a visual metaphor. I respect that.
    I’ll probably never watch Moulin Rouge again (I’m not a fan of burlesque, Baz Luhrmann uses clownery too much (there’s a technical term for it but it escapes me at the moment), and the whole story is the Bohemian style of love that’s stupid (I could probably grant some leeway on the last one because that’s how the majority of entertainment media presents love, but it already had other things working against it)) but I thought it was clever with some of their arrangements. El Tango de Roxanne has way more passion than the original and the music better matches the pathetic lyrics. The play does a smooth transition of Rolling Stones songs in Sympathy for the Duke (normally not a big deal, but it gets messed up so often) and Backstage Romance has an arrangement that uses a Gaga song for a mashup that’s a bop.
    Yes, I give you permission to rag on me for my taste.
    * just to clarify: listen to this and tell me what’s changed for the better. The arrangement is nearly identical, the voice is your standard Broadway voice (that’s not saying it’s bad, it’s just not bringing anything new), and at the end of the day it’s karaoke built around a single songwriter.
     
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to estradling75 in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    This topic reminds me of a complaint I hear from some long time church members, who had lived as faithfully as they could.  Then they meet a new convert who lived a very worldly life and converted later in life.  Like the 'Good' son of the Prodigal son or the 1st hour labors complain about things being unfair.
    Thing is I really never hear the new convert say... I am so glad I was unconverted for so long, nor do we hear the Prodigal Son praise how wise and how glad he was that he rebelled and went of to party.  They usually have some level of regret for past actions when they come/return to the light.
    The Book of Mormon talks about living after the manor of happiness, aka living the gospel.  And the scriptures also say that "Wickedness, Never was happiness"  Thus per the scripture the closer we live to gospel truths the happier we will be. (Which is not the same as saying trial free)
    Please also note I said Living Gospel Truths.. Thus someone outside the church could be happily living a lot of truth.  But if we truly believe we have the restored gospel and restored church, then that means we have maximum available Gospel Truths, and therefore maximum possible happiness, but people have to live it, not just claim membership.
     
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Grunt in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    So you make the claim that you think that charity is the key to exaltation -- but where did you get that idea from? And why is whatever source you're taking that from any more reliable than the sources you reject. You seem to be picking and choosing which things you'll accept as correct and true and which things you'll question based on nothing but your feelings about whatever subject. If we all did that.....welcome to the Great Apostasy 2.0.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from clwnuke in Disney wokeness   
    Dude, you gotta lay off the peyote.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from dprh in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    You know I realized I was just pasting a bunch of quotes from the same page. Just read the page yourself!
    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/31-redemption-of-the-dead?lang=eng

     
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from dprh in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    There are no ordinances in the life hereafter. All ordinances must be done in this life. That's why we do work for the dead.
    Edit: I realized I might have misspoken. More accurately: The saving ordinances we do in this life must be done in this life...etc. We don't really know if there are other post mortal ordinances. But the ones we do here, baptism, endowment, sealing and so forth must be done in mortality.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Why Do We Reference Heavenly Mother and Not Heavenly Mothers?   
    I understand what you're saying. Perhaps we can acknowledge that we're talking past each other a bit on this specific point. You are saying that it's not an eternal principle, meaning that not everyone will be required to live it. I am saying it is an eternal principle in that those who entered into it enter into it eternally.
    I tend to stand by my view that we do not know for sure whether we will be "required"* or not. I do tend to agree with you that it won't be the standard...maybe.... Another side of me thinks maybe it will. ???
    *the quotes are implying the following: Nothing is "required". We have agency. The question is simply this: does plural marriage equate to greater glory? If it does then those who do not participate will not have that glory. If it doesn't lead to greater glory then it doesn't.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to laronius in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    I think your definition of what qualifies a person for the Celestial kingdom is far too narrow in it's scope to correctly understanding who and how people arrive there. I think this is a clearer perspective.
    D&C 88:36 All kingdoms have a law given;
    37 And there are many kingdoms; for there is no space in the which there is no kingdom; and there is no kingdom in which there is no space, either a greater or a lesser kingdom.
    38 And unto every kingdom is given a law; and unto every law there are certain bounds also and conditions.
    39 All beings who abide not in those conditions are not justified.
    To qualify for the Celestial kingdom you simply must abide the laws of that kingdom. Any willing to abide those laws will qualify and all will have the same opportunity to choose. I think judgement day will be far less about God telling us where to go and more of us deciding, after a thorough review of our life, which kingdom's laws we are willing to obey. 
    Having said that Alma 42 makes it clear that our attitudes aren't going to suddenly change in the spirit world and I think our obedience to the light we did possess in this life will likely be a pretty good indicator of which kingdom's laws we are willing to accept in the next. That light consists of the light of Christ (given to all in general), the power of the Holy Ghost (before baptism), and the gift of the Holy Ghost (upon confirmation). Some of the most important truths we will be measured by come to us through the light of Christ. So whether we are offered the fullness of the gospel in this life or not, there will still be plenty to gauge the measure of a person and to reveal our true natures.
    Now concerning those who qualify for exaltation, if the glory of the Celestial to the Terrestrial (future home to many of the honorable on earth) is like the sun and moon in comparison then we should expect an equal disparity between the obedience to law required for admission, for all blessings come by obedience to some law. 
    The Church meanwhile is the vehicle the Lord uses to teach the necessary doctrine and administer the necessary ordinances to help prepare us to obey those laws and the Church's role continues into the spirit world where prophets and apostles continue the directing of this work leading up to judgment day. Those ordained to preach the gospel in this life will continue to administer to those who haven't had a full opportunity to accept it. The ordinances, which must be performed in the flesh, are then administered within the Church in this world on their behalf, the temple being the bridge between the two.
    Sorry for the long post but the answers to these questions deserve some depth and yet I feel it's only scratched the surface.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from SpiritDragon in Condoms are flying off the shelves in TX!   
    Once again....murder...... of babies....... millions of them.
    I expect you're not trying to say this, and I'll leave you to clarify, but... "don't use that method to stop them from murdering babies because then maybe it'll be used to take away our guns" doesn't quite work for me.
    On the rape and incest thing -- I'm just not sure how I feel or think about that. If they count as babies then they count as babies. Why should rape or incest justify the murder of an innocent little baby? You were raped? Oh...well...okay then. Go ahead and slit that baby's throat then and put it in that trash bin over there.
    On the other hand I am not, actually (despite how I may seem on many matters) unsympathetic to the idea that if I could carry a baby and was raped by some scumbag that then I'd have to go through carrying that baby...that would be exceedingly physiologically difficult. I understand that. Which is why I say I don't know how to feel. From a straight up logic only point of view...what does justify slitting that baby's throat and putting it in the trash bin? I'm not unsympathetic...but I'm also not unsympathetic to the baby getting its throat slit. So....
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Grunt in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    Well, you seem to have this -- we can't really know anything that's said or taught -- approach to the gospel. Seems an odd way to approach the gospel to me. But to each their own.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from MrShorty in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    I know you're asking @Vort but I'll comment -- The Savior is our judge and who qualifies for what is His purview. Ours is to do His work as best we can.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Anddenex in Why Do We Reference Heavenly Mother and Not Heavenly Mothers?   
    What we know: We have a Mother in Heaven.
    What we don't know: There are several Heavenly Mothers.
    And.... you know what they say about assuming...right?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from clbent04 in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    Perhaps you've heard that the majority of the work for the dead will be done in the millennium.
    https://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Quotes/Millennium/Work for the Dead.html
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from clbent04 in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    “And so we have two great churches, one in heaven, the other upon the earth. They are moving along parallel lines, and the temple of God, it appears to me, is the connecting link that connects the heavens with the earth, because it is through the temple that we will be able to reach our dead, and not otherwise. To pray for the dead may not be of any real assistance to them. To actually help them we must do a work for them” (Rudger Clawson, in Conference Report, Apr. 1933, 77–78).
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from SilentOne in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    I have often wondered if I hadn't been born into the Church if I would have struggled to accept it or if I'd even entertain considering it. It's a difficult premise because I know I'm quite pigheaded on my faith in the gospel. But........ that pigheaded faith is concretely based on spiritual experiences. So I don't explore Scientology or...the Jehovah Witnesses or what-have-you because I already know what I know and that knowledge precludes (or, perhaps excludes) the possibility that other churches could be the correct path back to God.
    But....I was taught to think that way! I was taught by my mother and primary teachers and in seminary, etc., etc. that we pray to know the truth directly from God via the Spirit and that it is from the Spirit and the Spirit alone we can know the truth of the gospel.
    But.... what if I hadn't been taught that?
    I don't know. Would I be as pigheaded in something that, having been taught what I was, doesn't make sense to me, but maybe would had I been taught differently? How much of my reasoning on the matter is a mere product of what I was taught?
    That being said...I fully outright reject a lot of what I was taught in, say...college, about, say....music theory... so that implies there might be some independent thinking there, right? But it's not exactly the same thing as core beliefs that were drilled into me from diaper day one.
    So I tend towards being forgiving....while also staying pigheaded? It's a real conundrum of an existence I guess.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Traveler in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    Yes. That is why work for the dead is so important.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from clbent04 in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    What, you don't take my word as enough authority on the matter?
    I'll see what I can find...
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to Grunt in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    Hey-o, now you're speaking my language.   I've researched a bunch of religions.   This year I've spent a considerable amount of time looking at Catholicism due to some questions I had.   As I said in another thread, everything in its time.   I'm so behind the curve being a convert, but the advantage is I had to fight for every sliver of testimony.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from clbent04 in What in Sam Hill is the Point of there Being an LDS Church at All?   
    I have often wondered if I hadn't been born into the Church if I would have struggled to accept it or if I'd even entertain considering it. It's a difficult premise because I know I'm quite pigheaded on my faith in the gospel. But........ that pigheaded faith is concretely based on spiritual experiences. So I don't explore Scientology or...the Jehovah Witnesses or what-have-you because I already know what I know and that knowledge precludes (or, perhaps excludes) the possibility that other churches could be the correct path back to God.
    But....I was taught to think that way! I was taught by my mother and primary teachers and in seminary, etc., etc. that we pray to know the truth directly from God via the Spirit and that it is from the Spirit and the Spirit alone we can know the truth of the gospel.
    But.... what if I hadn't been taught that?
    I don't know. Would I be as pigheaded in something that, having been taught what I was, doesn't make sense to me, but maybe would had I been taught differently? How much of my reasoning on the matter is a mere product of what I was taught?
    That being said...I fully outright reject a lot of what I was taught in, say...college, about, say....music theory... so that implies there might be some independent thinking there, right? But it's not exactly the same thing as core beliefs that were drilled into me from diaper day one.
    So I tend towards being forgiving....while also staying pigheaded? It's a real conundrum of an existence I guess.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in What if the USA's position on polygamy changed?   
    Which is such a weird thing. Essentially, you can live with and brown-chicken-brown-cow 30 women (or men) as much as you like and you're fine. But declare yourself committed by marital vows and...CRIME! Just weird.
    Sure...the "other" crimes should be crimes. As in applying for multiple benefits for multiple marriages or the like where the law doesn't allow. And the obvious underage or forced or other similar issues. But that declaring yourself married sans these other problematic issues should be criminal is just baffling to me. Get it on with whoever you like. But don't you dare call it a marriage!
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to Just_A_Guy in What if the USA's position on polygamy changed?   
    FWIW, I believe it has been the position of the AG’s office for some time that they wouldn’t prosecute stand-alone polygamy unless there were other crimes being committed concurrently.
    On your scenario B:  I absolutely believe that the current presidential administration would bring such a suit if they thought it was capable of knocking two Republicans out of an otherwise deadlocked Senate and the White House had a big package it wanted passed.  The suit likely wouldn’t prevail in the long term; but it would give the VP grounds to bar the Utah delegation from the Senate floor for a few precious hours or days.  
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to mirkwood in BYU - Call to Arms   
    Sex trafficking is a bigger problem than most of society realizes.  Sex trafficking by grabbing mom out of the grocery store parking lot is not an issue.  Domestic violence suspects can be men or women.  I've arrested both sexes many times for DV's.