The Folk Prophet

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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from askandanswer in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    This sort of question feels an awful lot like an effort to excuse the words of the Lord. What comes to mind immediately for me is D&C 1:38: "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself;"
    This is expressed practically immediately after the Lord declares the church to be the only true and living church in D&C 1:30.
    But inevitably someone comes along and tries to excuse what the Lord said. Let's focus "less" on that. Let's be apologetic about what the Lord declared. I don't find the Lord's declaration in this case as useful. Etc., etc.
    That doesn't sit well with me.
    I think instead of trying to excuse what the Lord said I'll focus instead on trying to understand why He said it and why it's important.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from zil2 in First Presidency Announces Uniform, Worldwide Standards for Ward and Stake Boundaries   
    Every time I see the title of this thread I envision what my new church uniform might be. I mean I already wear a white shirt to church. But maybe something like my dress blues from the Air Force? Or the Marines dress blues. That was always classy looking.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from NeuroTypical in First Presidency Announces Uniform, Worldwide Standards for Ward and Stake Boundaries   
    Every time I see the title of this thread I envision what my new church uniform might be. I mean I already wear a white shirt to church. But maybe something like my dress blues from the Air Force? Or the Marines dress blues. That was always classy looking.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in First Presidency Announces Uniform, Worldwide Standards for Ward and Stake Boundaries   
    Every time I see the title of this thread I envision what my new church uniform might be. I mean I already wear a white shirt to church. But maybe something like my dress blues from the Air Force? Or the Marines dress blues. That was always classy looking.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in An Opinionated Rant   
    Nope. Even if they want, we should proactively discriminate against certain things when it comes to the military (specifically I mean trans and women. Trans because I believe they're mentally unfit, and women because women shouldn't be fighting and dying for us).
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in An Opinionated Rant   
    That's a non-starter for too many. I, for example, would literally kill and die without hesitation before I'd let them send my daughter off to war. I suspect, that despite the corruption and evil in the world, that there are still too many who feel as I do in that regard.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in An Opinionated Rant   
    Why would that be nice?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Jedi_Nephite in An Opinionated Rant   
    Nope. Even if they want, we should proactively discriminate against certain things when it comes to the military (specifically I mean trans and women. Trans because I believe they're mentally unfit, and women because women shouldn't be fighting and dying for us).
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from mirkwood in An Opinionated Rant   
    Why would that be nice?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from NeuroTypical in An Opinionated Rant   
    That's a non-starter for too many. I, for example, would literally kill and die without hesitation before I'd let them send my daughter off to war. I suspect, that despite the corruption and evil in the world, that there are still too many who feel as I do in that regard.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from zil2 in An Opinionated Rant   
    Why would that be nice?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from zil2 in An Opinionated Rant   
    That's a non-starter for too many. I, for example, would literally kill and die without hesitation before I'd let them send my daughter off to war. I suspect, that despite the corruption and evil in the world, that there are still too many who feel as I do in that regard.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from mordorbund in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    This sort of question feels an awful lot like an effort to excuse the words of the Lord. What comes to mind immediately for me is D&C 1:38: "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself;"
    This is expressed practically immediately after the Lord declares the church to be the only true and living church in D&C 1:30.
    But inevitably someone comes along and tries to excuse what the Lord said. Let's focus "less" on that. Let's be apologetic about what the Lord declared. I don't find the Lord's declaration in this case as useful. Etc., etc.
    That doesn't sit well with me.
    I think instead of trying to excuse what the Lord said I'll focus instead on trying to understand why He said it and why it's important.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from SilentOne in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    It only matters as to our own salvation. To suggest otherwise is to take away others' salvation against their choice and to claim God is entirely unfair.
    I am fully confident that if I have terrible bedside manner and drive others away from the church because of my terrible bedside manner, that they'll have the same chance at exaltation as if they'd never met me. I'm also confident that if I'm doing my best but still have terrible bedside manner because I'm the moron that I am, that God will forgive me as I do my best to repent and change, despite failure upon failure. And I am fully confident that no matter how others treat me, in or out of the church, that my choice of salvation or damnation is completely and fully my own. And I'm also fully confident that if I purposefully go out and preach against the Gospel and Christ, or set a terrible example, or otherwise do Satan's work, that they only soul I'll ultimately be damning by those actions is my own.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    This sort of question feels an awful lot like an effort to excuse the words of the Lord. What comes to mind immediately for me is D&C 1:38: "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself;"
    This is expressed practically immediately after the Lord declares the church to be the only true and living church in D&C 1:30.
    But inevitably someone comes along and tries to excuse what the Lord said. Let's focus "less" on that. Let's be apologetic about what the Lord declared. I don't find the Lord's declaration in this case as useful. Etc., etc.
    That doesn't sit well with me.
    I think instead of trying to excuse what the Lord said I'll focus instead on trying to understand why He said it and why it's important.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    It only matters as to our own salvation. To suggest otherwise is to take away others' salvation against their choice and to claim God is entirely unfair.
    I am fully confident that if I have terrible bedside manner and drive others away from the church because of my terrible bedside manner, that they'll have the same chance at exaltation as if they'd never met me. I'm also confident that if I'm doing my best but still have terrible bedside manner because I'm the moron that I am, that God will forgive me as I do my best to repent and change, despite failure upon failure. And I am fully confident that no matter how others treat me, in or out of the church, that my choice of salvation or damnation is completely and fully my own. And I'm also fully confident that if I purposefully go out and preach against the Gospel and Christ, or set a terrible example, or otherwise do Satan's work, that they only soul I'll ultimately be damning by those actions is my own.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    So what if they do? Plenty do. Plenty behave terribly. Plenty serve Satan. It's reality. It will happen. You, I, and everyone will get treated like rubbish throughout our lives, and oft times by members of the church. And you, I, and everyone will at times treat others like rubbish, either accidentally or intentionally. If intentional, we'll repent or we won't. If we do repent, our standing remains secure. If we don't, our standing will crumble.
    Clearly the gospel message is to not treat others like rubbish (though even that's a relative statement*). Any suggestion that we should intentionally treat others like rubbish is silly. Obviously. But to act like the church members are at fault for others coming to or not coming to Christ is also, in my opinion, pretty silly.
    That's where I take issue with posts like this. "We need to do this or we'll drive people away." Nope. That's not why. We need to follow Christ because we love Him. We need to serve others because we love them and because we love Christ. And we need to obey the commandments and repent when we fail. And we do this by our own agency and will stand accountable for ourselves alone in the end.
    In particular, the idea that we need to stop focusing on the words of God because it might drive others away is particularly ridiculous. I mean at least it makes a sort of sense that we need to not be total jerks to others. But even that falls apart when speaking in terms of their salvation potential. But clearly we'll damn ourselves through such behavior. But to claim that we need to stop preaching God's word because others might be offended by it and would otherwise be saved....? Yeah... I don't think so.
    *I've found that what's perceived as being treated like rubbish is often in the eye of the receiver, and it can be very difficult to second guess that in many cases. Moreover, it could be pretty soundly argued that Christ treated the Pharisees and Sadducees like "rubbish" -- particularly in the eyes of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    What matters? The attempt? Or success?
    Obviously, for our own sake, it matters that we try our best. But the idea that our failure or success in how we interact with others, despite our best efforts, determine their salvation is not correct. 
    God does His work. We do our best. 
    The OP is suggesting that our bedside imperfections are key to other's damnation. 
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    Does it?
    Are you suggesting that if you or I or someone says something that offends another that their exaltation will be lost on our account? That they, after all is said and done, didn't have agency after all? That their choice of exaltation is in our hands, rather than theirs?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from zil2 in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    This sort of question feels an awful lot like an effort to excuse the words of the Lord. What comes to mind immediately for me is D&C 1:38: "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself;"
    This is expressed practically immediately after the Lord declares the church to be the only true and living church in D&C 1:30.
    But inevitably someone comes along and tries to excuse what the Lord said. Let's focus "less" on that. Let's be apologetic about what the Lord declared. I don't find the Lord's declaration in this case as useful. Etc., etc.
    That doesn't sit well with me.
    I think instead of trying to excuse what the Lord said I'll focus instead on trying to understand why He said it and why it's important.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Basic Math   
    My quibble isn't punctuation so much as... in what world is a factorial considered "Basic Math"?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from ownbshp in Johns Hopkins Diversity Office   
    Anyone who believes diversity of thought is a good thing should be sentenced to a year of watching nothing but TikTok challenges until they're thoroughly cured of such a ridiculous notion.
     
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Countdown to presidential election begins   
    I don't agree with the cynicism. But.... I used to think more like @Just_A_Guy re not voting for someone who wasn't legitimately "good" (as if that exists in politics) even if it meant throwing away my vote. Since I've gotten more into politics and whatnot I've changed my tune quite a bit. I now see it as a very simple equation. There's a good-ish side (with bad, flawed people running), and a truly evil and awful side (with bad, flawed people running), and it's as simple as that. And that's not to say there are mistaken approaches/policies on the good-ish side or that all the approaches/policies on the truly evil and awful side are straight up evil. But in broad strokes, it's pretty plain. One side's going to destroy freedom, promote sexual corruption, tax it's citizenry to oblivion, destroy the economy, and murder babies gleefully. The other side stands against those things, on the whole.
    I would, in a heartbeat, have voted for DeSantos or Ramaswamy instead of Trump. And if there were a truly, legitimately, righteous man/woman running... I'd happily vote for them. But that's not an option.  It's (likely) Trump or Biden. That's the choice. "Neither" isn't an option.
    I'm reminded of when we give our kids a choice on something. "You can pick up your toys or you can go to your room," and they try and choose neither. Nope. Sorry. That's not the option. You pick up you toys or you go to your room. By choosing neither, you choose your room because that's the alternate for not picking up your toys.
    Obviously it's not really the same thing. And for someone in Utah voting.... well your vote's pretty meaningless (at this point) anyhow because Trump will win Utah. So I'm not really against people choosing to vote otherwise on "principle", per se, unless they live in a so-called "swing state". But as for myself.... I simply see the reality of it. You can pick up your toys or go to your room. So I'll pick up my toys.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to mikbone in Countdown to presidential election begins   
    You mean Cain?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in Countdown to presidential election begins   
    California conservatives should move.
    And so should Utah liberals.