The Folk Prophet

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    The Folk Prophet reacted to LDSGator in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    Hopefully he learned something and will be more careful with his words next time. 
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Backroads in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    I have a hard time commenting on this because the information in the media is all SO biased. I don't trust it. I know that what I typically see is that the media and everyone makes the terrible claims about him and they typically turn out to be inaccurate, twisted, or outright lies. So is there truth in some of the claims related to what happened with the Sandy Hook stuff....??? Could be. Probably is. But it's a cry wolf situation and so I don't trust much. And having not followed Alex Jones back then at all...well I just don't know.
    I'm not sure how to think on the idea of "followers" of any given person doing something that the person didn't tell them to and then blaming said person. We see the same thing with the Trump/Jan 6 narrative going on.
    As a general rule I don't buy that sort of thinking.
    Should Alex have said, "stop this" to them, in that case? Well, yeah. Of course. But I'm not sure we can really know the full story, what he was thinking, and why he might have said or not said what he did related to that. So I can get on board that there may have been mistakes made by him. From what I know of him though, he'd probably admit the same. In fact I've heard him say he made mistakes on certain things. Because he isn't some prophet leader of some cult. He's a radio show personality who talks about stuff.
    I mean we see the same thing with like Joe Rogan and the medicine he talked about taking on his show for Covid. Joe's not responsible if someone takes him as the authority on the matter. Anyone who takes Joe Rogan as an authority on anything besides, perhaps, MMA stuff is being dumb. Joe Rogan isn't an authority. If he said, "This is what you should do!" then, sure...he becomes somewhat culpable (though those believing him would still be dumb to do it on his word alone... Do your own research people!). But does every person with any sort of a following on any given platform need to automatically presume their listeners are nut-jobs who will do something stupid based on their opinions.
    Well...probably. Yeah. But... did Alex Jones presume that? Should he have?
    I dunno.
    Anyhow, I'm not really defending Alex Jones here. I just...I dunno... There's a problem in the world. (That's putting it lightly. I mean there are many problems. But....) Speech is under attack. Big time! It's a serious problem. Political correctness is out of control. People can't talk about so many things. Opinions can't be shared. Debates can hardly be had. It's bad. And it's getting worse. I'm not defending Jones...but his ability to share his opinions on things openly even if they're off based.... That I would defend.
    Of course that doesn't have anything to do with whether he's a good or bad person. Who knows. It doesn't strike me he's bad. Just flawed. But that's everyone. Right?
    Anyhow...just chatting. Don't take my thoughts too seriously on the matter. It's more a matter of curiosity than having any sort of real stance.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    Looks like either way he's paying for his mistakes. 5.6 million owed...and damages still to come. Ouch.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    I am convinced more and more as I age that the evil in the world is almost beyond comprehension to those who are not engaged in it.
    Most people do what they can get away with. Period. That's it. If they can, they do drugs and alcohol. If they can, they lie. If they can, they steal. If they can, the cheat. If they can, they murder. Powerful people can get away with a LOT. So they do.
    We're in a time where a lot of this evil is being exposed. I don't think a lot of it is new...but as things have become more socially acceptable, the evil peeks it's ugly head out from the crevices, believing it safe in the sunlight. In cases, they've shown more of their hand than they meant to. (For example, the leaked "gay agenda" videos by Disney execs.) But most of the true evil is still hidden. We're starting to see, for example...the "minor attracted" crowd beginning to show their cards. Ever so slightly. Testing the waters. Pushing the acceptance. Etc.
    Underneath what's seen, there's an entire unfathomably deep pit of filth. And some, as you point out, seem to disbelieve this to be true. I'm not sure why.
    Most of this corruption remains hidden. So we don't know the explicit details. But the fact that it exists seems so obvious.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to Vort in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    I agree with this. As far as I can tell, Alex Jones is a liar who traffics in people's naivete and ignorance. But that view is fueled by media reports. I have never listened to the man, so I can't say with any confidence what the man believes or preaches. I'm not going to take the word of the likes of CNN.
    As mirkwood pointed out, no believing Latter-day Saint can deny the existence of conspiracies. For that matter, no reasonably intelligent human being with any amount of exposure to human society can deny it. But believing in the general existence of harmful, evil conspiracies and believing in some particular claim of conspiracy are entirely different matters.
    By its nature, a conspiracy is secret. That's pretty much baked into the definition of the word. Successful conspiracies generally do not become known. If they do, it's because they're old and defunct  (e.g. the Great Light Bulb Conspiracy, aka the Phoebus Cartel) or they're so powerful that they don't care about being known (e.g. OPEC). You may have noticed the overlap between conspiracies and cartels. This is not coincidental.
    Consider this hypothetical: A group of Illuminati-minded people with the money, ambition, connections, and raw power to attempt an invasion of governments worldwide form a conspiracy, what the Book of Mormon calls a "secret combination". If their conspiracy involves too many people, it risks becoming known; everyone who knows about it is a potential liability. So they play their cards close to the vest, with only a few people at the top of the pyramid really knowing what's up. They use puppet actors and corporations to set up their conditions so that it becomes exceedingly difficult to trace their activities back to them. As they grow in power, they gain control of the media and other means of information dissemination, such that they can more directly control what information gets out.
    How would such a conspiracy ever be discovered? Only one way: A member of the conspiracy would have to betray the secret and make it public knowledge. But such a person would not be believed without evidence, and of course that evidence would be quickly covered up by the conspiracy members. Any information that made it out would be dealt with by the media and governmental elements controlled by the conspiracy. The only other way such a conspiracy could be uncovered is by a mole making his way in, collecting information, and then exposing the conspiracy. This becomes more and more unlikely the longer the conspiracy remains and continues consolidating its power. Such a mole would never make it to the courts. He would be dealt with, by which I mean he would be disposed of.
    Sound familiar? Of course it does. It's mobocracy. It's the Cosa Nostra. It's evil people with wicked intent to gain power and money. Such has it always been.
    Given the secretive nature of such conspiracies, is it any wonder that Jeffrey Epstein's supposed (and very convenient) suicide is greeted with rolled eyes and doubt? If it looks, acts, and smells like conspiracy, isn't that evidence? But of course, without truly damning evidence, the majority won't believe such a thing. It's far too easy to make up some conspiratorial explanation. In any case, such evidence is unlikely to be found. Why do you suppose that Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and other men (including men not named Bill, e.g. the UK's Prince Andrew) involved with Epstein have not been connected to him in more than a cursory manner? Are we to believe that all of these rich and powerful men with known attachments to illicit sex were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time and are innocent bystanders?
    I believe few of the conspiracy allegations I hear, but I absolutely believe that such conspiracies exist, even deeper and more evil than the Illuminati conspiracy theorists would have us believe. There are one or two members of this forum who disbelieve that people are ever bad, but I am among those who disagree. People have a deep capacity for evil if they choose to exercise it. Many have no qualms whatsoever about selling their fellow men into slavery, destroying liberty, and so forth, as long as they get the power and/or money and/or sex they crave. In such a world, conspiracies are a sure thing.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    I have a hard time commenting on this because the information in the media is all SO biased. I don't trust it. I know that what I typically see is that the media and everyone makes the terrible claims about him and they typically turn out to be inaccurate, twisted, or outright lies. So is there truth in some of the claims related to what happened with the Sandy Hook stuff....??? Could be. Probably is. But it's a cry wolf situation and so I don't trust much. And having not followed Alex Jones back then at all...well I just don't know.
    I'm not sure how to think on the idea of "followers" of any given person doing something that the person didn't tell them to and then blaming said person. We see the same thing with the Trump/Jan 6 narrative going on.
    As a general rule I don't buy that sort of thinking.
    Should Alex have said, "stop this" to them, in that case? Well, yeah. Of course. But I'm not sure we can really know the full story, what he was thinking, and why he might have said or not said what he did related to that. So I can get on board that there may have been mistakes made by him. From what I know of him though, he'd probably admit the same. In fact I've heard him say he made mistakes on certain things. Because he isn't some prophet leader of some cult. He's a radio show personality who talks about stuff.
    I mean we see the same thing with like Joe Rogan and the medicine he talked about taking on his show for Covid. Joe's not responsible if someone takes him as the authority on the matter. Anyone who takes Joe Rogan as an authority on anything besides, perhaps, MMA stuff is being dumb. Joe Rogan isn't an authority. If he said, "This is what you should do!" then, sure...he becomes somewhat culpable (though those believing him would still be dumb to do it on his word alone... Do your own research people!). But does every person with any sort of a following on any given platform need to automatically presume their listeners are nut-jobs who will do something stupid based on their opinions.
    Well...probably. Yeah. But... did Alex Jones presume that? Should he have?
    I dunno.
    Anyhow, I'm not really defending Alex Jones here. I just...I dunno... There's a problem in the world. (That's putting it lightly. I mean there are many problems. But....) Speech is under attack. Big time! It's a serious problem. Political correctness is out of control. People can't talk about so many things. Opinions can't be shared. Debates can hardly be had. It's bad. And it's getting worse. I'm not defending Jones...but his ability to share his opinions on things openly even if they're off based.... That I would defend.
    Of course that doesn't have anything to do with whether he's a good or bad person. Who knows. It doesn't strike me he's bad. Just flawed. But that's everyone. Right?
    Anyhow...just chatting. Don't take my thoughts too seriously on the matter. It's more a matter of curiosity than having any sort of real stance.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Backroads in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    Are you saying it was your perception that he was ONLY in it for the money and fame? Because I would expect that anyone who's building that kind of thing is in it for money and fame...but if it's ONLY money and fame, then that implies dishonest intent. I've never felt Alex Jones had dishonest intent, overall. He has messed up. Yes. But he said what he thought and believed at any given time, I think.
    That's as compared to, say, Milo Yiannopoulos, who I believe is in it ONLY for the money and the fame and to be a provocateur because it makes him the popular "bad boy" of "conservativism" (quotes added here because...come on.) I think there are many out there who are provocateurs on the right because it's cool to do so and they were in it for only money and fame, particularly in the previous slate of right-wingers who have fallen a bit out of fashion now (many because they got banned from everywhere). But my sense of Jones was that he was/is sincere. He's a provocateur because he has a brazen personality, but I feel like he believes what he says.
    But the primary reason I wouldn't call him a "false" prophet (prophet's a weird word to use here, I think..but....)... is because of how often he's been right.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    I'm just curious here. Does anyone actually watch Alex Jones' show? Or are the opinions here based on what the news media, etc., report of him? (Just to be clear, I don't watch his show...but I've watched him a few times in long-form conversations on Tim Pool's show.)
    Like I said, just curious. I'm not a fan of his. Have no interest in defending him or anything. But I certainly haven't concluded he's a "false prophet". Seems a bit extreme. My take on him is he's got some communication styles that put people off and can easily miscommunicates what he's trying to say to a lot of people. And he makes some presumptions that are off based sometimes, because he's, you know...a human. But a false prophet just trying to con people out of money seems a bit extreme to my thinking.
    As I said, I'm not a fan of his. And I can certainly understand many people disliking him as a personality. But he has also been, to my thinking, demonized WAY beyond reality.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to LDSGator in Alex Jones, false prophet   
    Fair question. Yes, I watched his show before. I also heard him on the Joe Rogan show. Twice was enough. 
     
    Having said that, you don’t need to watch/hear his show regularly to know his views. I’ve only heard “Mormon Stories” a few times to know that the host is an anti Mormon. I don’t need to hear any more of either show, frankly! 
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Recession   
    I don't know if this comment will tie into this thread or not, but it's related to the title at least:
    I think it's terrible how all the commentary from conservatives is so fear-mongering right now to gain political points. I actually understand, in part, what the Biden administration is trying to do. Yes, some things in the economy are concrete -- but a lot of it is merely perception. When people get scared and tighten their belts, stop spending, stop hiring, etc., it makes things worse. If people trust things are going to be okay, they're more likely to keep spending, keep hiring, etc. Yes, there are concrete issues that affect such things as well. Though even some of those concrete things are based on up-the-chain perception. By letting people know that things aren't as bad as "A RECESSION", it seems the Biden administration is trying to keep things positive, in part, to maintain perception, so everything doesn't go into hunker-down mode, that will surely make things even worse. By arguing the point and demanding that the Biden admin is "redefining what recession means" the conservative commentary is playing a self-fulfilling prophecy style game. They're adding fear to the recession they claim we're now "by definition" in. And literally repeatedly stating how scary it is.
    Yes, I know there's more to it than simply what I've described above. I know the Biden admin is playing political games as well, trying to make it seem like they're doing a better job than they are. But I still think it's irresponsible of conservative voices to be dumping fuel on the fire.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to NeuroTypical in Breakthrough Study - Depression NOT treated by Serotonin-based Drug Regimen   
    Again, it's literally not saying what you are claiming.  I think you're totally missing the point of everything you're quoting. 
    I can see nothing in this paper saying anything like "using anti-depressants that are based on serotonin levels doesn't seem to work".  There's nothing here looking at the effectiveness of various forms of treatment.  This isn't a paper about what happens when we try to treat depression.   There's nothing here looking at treatment effectiveness.  
    This is a paper that looks at what we thought we knew about the biochemical causes of depression.   It talks about "whether tryptophan depletion (which lowers available serotonin) can induce depression".   Tryptophan depletion isn't a treatment for depression.   It's something they tried to see if it made people depressed.
    It talks about how "there is no convincing evidence that depression is associated with, or caused by, lower serotonin concentrations or activity".   That's talking about depressed folks' serotonin levels.  It's not about what happens when we give depressed people a serotonin boost. 
    It talks about how there is little "evidence of reduced serotonin activity in people with depression".   That's looking at the biochemistry of depressed people.  It's not talking about what happens when we try to treat depressed people to make them less depressed. 
    There's some stuff indicating how depression treatment actually lowered serotonin levels, but again, it's not measuring effectiveness of treatment.  It's measuring serotonin levels.
    Again, the jury has been pretty firmly out for a number of decades: Yes indeedily-doodilly, antidepressants that boost serotonin levels, clearly, unambiguously, proven in study after study, do indeed have an overall positive impact on mood.  Perfect?  Nope.  Always?  Nope.  100% reliable? Nope.  The best choice every time?  Nope.  Side-effect free?  Nope.  Never ever harmful? Nope.  But overall positive impact on mood? - you bet. 
     
    Literally 10 seconds of googling:
    1999 - NIH - Efficacy of SSRIs and newer antidepressants in severe depression: comparison with TCAs
    2015 - Psychiatry Advisor - New Analysis Reconfirms Effectiveness of SSRI Antidepressants
    2018 - The Lancet - Comparative efficacy and acceptability of 21 antidepressant drugs for the acute treatment of adults with major depressive disorder: a systematic review and network meta-analysis
    2019 - Mayo Clinic: Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)
     
    And another 10 seconds of searching the church website:
    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1989/02/mental-illness-in-search-of-understanding-and-hope?lang=eng
    "Perhaps 90 percent of depression victims can be helped. Therapy that teaches the patient to modify negative thought patterns to change his emotions is very helpful. Antidepressant medications are also quite effective. Priesthood blessings and prayer can lend spiritual power and aid healing."
    Elder Holland: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2013/10/like-a-broken-vessel?lang=eng 
    "If things continue to be debilitating, seek the advice of reputable people with certified training, professional skills, and good values. Be honest with them about your history and your struggles. Prayerfully and responsibly consider the counsel they give and the solutions they prescribe. If you had appendicitis, God would expect you to seek a priesthood blessing and get the best medical care available. So too with emotional disorders. Our Father in Heaven expects us to use all of the marvelous gifts He has provided in this glorious dispensation."
    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/09/young-adults/i-finally-admitted-that-i-had-depression-jesus-christ-helped-me-out-of-the-darkness?lang=eng
    "I have felt strength and hope and light come from both spiritual and temporal tools. Here are a few practices that bring light into my life each day that you can try too:
    7. Don’t be ashamed to see a doctor or of taking antidepressant medications—these are tools Heavenly Father has provided for us to heal."
     
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in Book of Mormon Language   
    Except, by literal word definition, it kind of does. (I will grant, there is an implication of the additional un-spoken "for" in the similarity of meaning. But unspoken implied added words are moderately common.) Which is why people misuse it that way so naturally.
    Some basic thesaurusing:
    Begs (for) the question, invokes the question, pleads (for) the question, advocates (for) the question,  asks the question, sues (for) the question, adjures (for) the question...
    vs.
    Raises the question, incites the question, provokes the question, suggests the question, arouses the question, awakens the question....
    I dunno...seems pretty much to mean the same thing, at a basic level...to me.
    Granted, without the implied "for" then it doesn't mean the same thing, because instead of asking "for" the question one is asking "of" the question itself...but still... clearly when anyone uses "begs the question" to mean "raises the question" they mean the implied "for" as part of it.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in Book of Mormon Language   
    It's amazing to me how much of a contest raising my kids feels like sometimes. Yes, I know...that's terrible. But I can't help it.
    Well, my kids may or may not be smarter than your grandkids...but they're cuter, dang it! So says I. And I'm not biased at all! It's objective!
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in Book of Mormon Language   
    I've never had a problem with the Book of Mormon's writing style until I started recently reading nightly scriptures to my 5-year-old. One might ask, why would you read something so difficult to understand to a 5-year-old? Well...for the same reason my mother read it to us. So when we're older the language doesn't seem or feel hard or strange. Every time I read "And it came to pass..." now my child pipes up, "that means, 'It happened!'". And she's just naturally starting to understand what "thou/thee" means, etc. And I have to explain what I'm reading as I go a lot, and find that in some verses...well, a lot of verses...I have to explain every other word. The language is not common or plain, despite Nephi's proclamation that he's speaking plainly. (Obviously what he means by speaking plainly is a subjective idea. And he is, indeed, speaking plainly....relatively.)
    Anyhow, my point is, I've never given much thought to the difficulty of understanding The Book of Mormon (other than the Isaiah parts, that I still struggle with), until I started reading it to a 5-year-old. 😆
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Carborendum in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I hope you weren't wondering if you were the one who was wrong on this one.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I hope you weren't wondering if you were the one who was wrong on this one.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from scottyg in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I hope you weren't wondering if you were the one who was wrong on this one.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Backroads in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I hope you weren't wondering if you were the one who was wrong on this one.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Backroads in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I can't share my pronouns because A) I don't use that kind of language and B) that kind of language is against the site rules anyhow.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to mordorbund in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    Pronouns are he/hee.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    That time is already here, imo. Though it will get much worse.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to Carborendum in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    Excellent question.  I have "an" answer.  But you'll have to judge for yourself if it is correct. 
    The reason we're given this message is to warn us to stay away from the Mark(s).  If we are wary of it early on, the less likely we will be gradually led to a state where we may not awaken to our awful state. (Think about the parable of the wheels near the edge of the cliff).  Just stay away from it.  Even if you're wrong and there was nothing to worry about, we don't need to get close to it.
    The language of Revelation 13, 14, & 16 all denote that the Mark is something we have to feel religious zeal for.  They've bought into it hook, line, and sinker.  (note that the use of the word 'bought into' in present context is intended to have a double meaning).
    Any time Satan has tried to use force to get people to turn away from God, it has backfired in the long term.  No, he has to gradually string folks along.  He has to use persuasion, carefully using our own weaknesses against us.  His more common tactic is:
    We have to be led to believe that there's nothing wrong with "a little" sin.  In fact, it's not really a sin at all if you think about it.  We should all be doing that.  Actually, we should be shaming and cancelling anyone who says it is actually wrong.  As we get further along the primrose path we may even awake to our awful state.  But by then, it may be too late.  It's the proverbial camel's nose in the tent.  Then we eventually find ourselves following after Baal and Ashtaroth. 
    Slippery slope?  Yes.  Definitely.  A fallacy?  It's only a fallacy if it doesn't actually happen or if it is highly unlikely to happen.  Scriptures are replete with examples of this happening.  Just look at our study of the Old testament thus far this year.  Samuel's Ebenezer is a symbol of how we are indeed "prone to wander... prone to leave the God we love" and the tender mercies of the Lord when he grants us the gift of repentance so that we may seal our hearts to His courts above.
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    Notice I said "Marks" (plural).  I don't think "all" of the previous so called Marks have been false alarms.  I think some were pretty far fetched.  But others were, as you put it, "pretty good candidates".   And I don't think they were "false".
    1) I don't think Satan messes around with just one effort.  He's been trying to tear down the Kingdom of God and the Plan of Salvation ever since Adam and Eve.  He will continue trying.  And any such Mark may take many forms (so long as it has the characteristics).  And every failure captures just a few, and continues to make a dent in a righteous culture, until the culture has entirely turned away.
    2) Mike Pence followed the Billy Graham model to never be alone with a female who was not a close relative.  He always asked his wife or daughter to be with him if he ever had to have such a meeting.  Does that mean EVERY female is a seductress or a "frequent flyer"?  No.  But there is that potential.  And the one time you relax and are caught unaware is the moment the Devil has you.  So, it becomes a good policy to always beware.  It is this wariness that the revelation is meant to promote.  It doesn't do anything to prevent the Marks from taking in some of the children of God.  But it will more likely save those who are aware.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Anddenex in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I believe that's pronounced "Shamon", per Michael Jackson.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Carborendum in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I believe that's pronounced "Shamon", per Michael Jackson.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in The Mark of the Beast Begins   
    I think it's less about definitively claiming to know something in one's own thinking that can't be known until it's known (which some are prone to do, for sure) as it is about being wary. Seeing the dangers, etc. The prophecies are there for a reason, and I think we should be wary of them.
    The whole ESG rating thing, for example, seems like a good potential candidate.
    That being said...in the case of the Mark of the Beast since it's bound to happen no matter how wary we are of it or not...who knows if being wary of it even does any good, right?
    The Book of Mormon explicitly tells us to watch out for Secret Combinations though. And they're bound to happen anyway. And if we are watching out for them...what, exactly, are supposed to do about them anyhow? So I can't say I understand it all.