The Folk Prophet

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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    I wrote up a large reply, but the more I consider the more I'm just not sure replying is going to be of much use. You don't seem to understand the import of covenants. Short of encouraging you to research and understand better... I'm just not sure what I can say. And saying more is probably only likely to offend further.
    But as a starting point here's a link, as a reminder, that explains what covenants are made in the endowment, for example.
    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-endowment?lang=eng
    Moreover, you're clearly struggling with faith and testimony. 
    The church is true or it isn't. What people do in a ward or stake doesn't change that. You need to know that core thing. I encourage you to find out through study, prayer, and faith.
    Beyond that, best wishes in your endeavors.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to zil2 in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    How can it not?  The very elect.  These aren't the first ward leaders to go astray.  They won't be the last.  I'm sure they're not the only.  The New Testament is full of letters addressing such.  Why should we be immune to what Peter had to deal with?
    I'd rather sell my house and move.  Better yet, plead with the Lord to tell me what to do, and if I didn't get an answer, sell my house and move.  Scary, especially in this economy? You bet your life.  But I'd rather be homeless and in the Church than safe in my home and not actively in the Church.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    It is worth it.
    I trust in God that much. I trust accountability will be just.
    How can one believe otherwise in today's world?
    Either God is just or He is not.
    The plain fact is that the garbage is unavoidable. And it's going to get worse. And worse. And worse.
    It legitimately and truly frightens me, in particular for my children.
    I'm going to run from it too...as much as possible, and as much as it doesn't mean betraying the covenants I made, which matter more to me than anything else.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Grunt in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    I wrote up a large reply, but the more I consider the more I'm just not sure replying is going to be of much use. You don't seem to understand the import of covenants. Short of encouraging you to research and understand better... I'm just not sure what I can say. And saying more is probably only likely to offend further.
    But as a starting point here's a link, as a reminder, that explains what covenants are made in the endowment, for example.
    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-endowment?lang=eng
    Moreover, you're clearly struggling with faith and testimony. 
    The church is true or it isn't. What people do in a ward or stake doesn't change that. You need to know that core thing. I encourage you to find out through study, prayer, and faith.
    Beyond that, best wishes in your endeavors.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from old in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    I think the concern is (and I understand it) that the church has allowed too many members to misunderstand this by not being more explicit and direct.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from LDSGator in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    I have a history of being pretty vehemently against the homosexual agenda.
    Honestly I think we'd get along rather well.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from askandanswer in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    You don't know me. So we'll just let that one slide, as everyone else on the forum has a bit of a chuckle.
     
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from zil2 in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    Agreed.
    It's a challenge, of course. Because the answer in any case is the same. Humility. Faith. Obedience.
    And, I put it to you and @old and anyone... What if it were the norm church-wide? Does that make any difference.
    God's covenants are His. God's church is His. God's commandments are His.
    None of that changes no matter how other members behave.
    The reality we face is that it may well become the norm church-wide. The reality is that some of that stuff already is the norm church-wide (just not in leadership...typically).
    I understand the challenge. I understand the offense.
    But what are we going to do about it? Damn ourselves in protest?
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to zil2 in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    I can't disagree, @The Folk Prophet.  All I can do is hope that something we say will let @old know that the things he's experiencing aren't the norm church-wide and that it's better for him to do whatever is required to bring his family back to the Church.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from zil2 in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    Right. What I'm really trying to suggest (as you have already stated in previous posts, but....probably nicer than how I would put it), is that no one with a solid testimony and faith in the gospel would EVER start attending an Orthodox church. That fact alone doesn't make me fully disbelieve that the SP, bishop, and YW presidency behaved exactly the way it was claimed they behaved. But it does make the story suspect.
    I've had a lot of dealings with people who've gone inactive over the years. They always have similar sob stories. They've always been wronged by the church or members of the church or (most commonly) by the by leadership in the ward or stake. But despite the fact that said leadership is often no longer in the picture, and above-and-beyond extreme efforts have been made to show love, acceptance, kindness, etc., they are generally uninterested in returning. They claim members are too this, or too that, or behave this way or that way. And no matter how much that is or isn't true of the members in the new ward they've moved into..... well, you get my point.
    I know that sometimes bishops or SPs or whoever are terrible. Sure. But the reality of that being the cause of someone going inactive is, in my experience, extremely unlikely. When a person is so offended by the church that they actually leave it, I have found, that it's usually the person who's got issues rather than the church.
    Sure...this could be an outlier. This could be that rare exception... Except the attending the Orthodox church thing. That tells me point blank that this is not the exception. It's clear indication that there are testimony, faith, and understanding problems. Because no one who understands, believes in, and trusts what's important in the gospel would EVER abandon those things because some jerk leaders were jerks. Ever!
    In point of fact, the very idea that "love and acceptance" of gay people being taught in YW is somehow more of a danger to one's children than going inactive and attending an Orthodox church is so ridiculous it's almost laughable.
    If a YW leader is teaching things that aren't accurate it's pretty easy to sit down with your kid and explain to them that it isn't accurate and that not all leaders are perfect and sometimes people have some oddball approaches to the gospel.
    But if you've gone inactive and started attending another faith..... what sort of message are you teaching then? What sort of lesson are your children taking away from that?
    It's exposing one's children to SIGNIFICANTLY greater danger than some YW leader teaching that we have to love gay people and, perhaps, taking that a bit further on the progressive side of thinking than we're comfortable with.
    I could go on and on, breaking down the story being told in great detail...but to what end? As has been pointed out, it's a one-sided story and we really don't know for sure. What I do know is going inactive and ESPECIALLY going to another covenant-less church is not the answer.
    I don't have to deny the veracity of the story to draw this conclusion or make a judgement on the matter. I suspect the complete veracity of the story because of several red flags therein. But even were I to 100% accept its veracity, it doesn't change the fact that going inactive and then attending an Orthodox church instead is wildly off-based.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to zil2 in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    Yeah, I don't know.  I mean, we're only getting one side here.  But I can also imagine that if a member of the SP is encouraging or celebrating SSA or gender identity changes over the pulpit, that would embolden any who are opposed to the Church's teachings on this issue and such people could quickly move to push their beliefs while they have the chance.  It does seem bizarre that there would only be one family resisting this...
    I don't know what to make of it - it all sounds very extreme and strange.  So, I'm just saying how I would respond in a situation like that described.  Nothing more to go on...  Also, hence this bit:
    ...you gotta make sure you're not the problem.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to Just_A_Guy in Another Woke-ism Worming Its Way Into Our Culture   
    It’s a start.
    A pet peeve of mine I’ve had in these sorts of discussions in various fora is that people will express concern about a professor who did this or said that, and I (who have a daughter who hopes to start at BYU next fall) will be like “oh, can you tell me who said that so we can know to avoid their classes”, and suddenly people are bashful and worried about being accused of doxxing.
    I mean, I get that no one wants to be responsible for creating a mob.  But if we aren’t going to identify the bad’uns, what’s the point of complaining about them?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Traveler in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    The older I get the more I become convinced that one of the greatest evils in the world is thinking.
    This child thinks he's wise, and has decided that his "wisdom" will benefit the world.
    I've basically gotten to the point where, as smart and "wise" as I am, I'm full-on aware that I'm an foolish idiot.
    Add to that the reality that libido basically pumps drugs into one's brain, and you've got a messed up child who's an idiot and a fool, and as good as on drugs (as all horny teenagers are) preaching his view of truth and wisdom to the world. Useful.
    Well, that's the whole story of gaydom in my view. It's lunacy to look at it any way but a bunch of foolish idiots with chemically compromised brains preaching garbage that's worth less than nothing.
    That is the why of commandments. That is they why of the Lord's boundaries. This stupid foolish compromised kid has no idea what he's talking about, and yet is locking himself into an eternal course. And on top of that he's preaching to others what his idea of "truth" on the matter is.
    Sadly, this is common.
    I, of course, think I understand things. But I'm "wise" enough to know I really don't. I have beliefs that are pretty firm. But debating from those beliefs isn't useful because, as I just said, I'm a foolish idiot.
    But.... The Lord has given us standards. The Lord has given us boundaries. Within the Lord's standards and boundaries we can find happiness. Outside the Lord's standards and boundaries we never will. It's as simple as that.
    Homosexuality, despite any view of the science or psychiatry of it, is not within the Lord's standards and boundaries. It never has been. It never will be. It, in any form, will never lead to peace and happiness.
    Whether or not it's a choice isn't relevant to that. We all have natures that are outside the Lord's standards and boundaries. Everyone of us must put aside those things and traverse within the Lord's standards and boundaries in order to find happiness and peace.
    Any view other than that is...well...foolish and stupid.
    The path is narrow and few shall find it.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Grunt in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    The older I get the more I become convinced that one of the greatest evils in the world is thinking.
    This child thinks he's wise, and has decided that his "wisdom" will benefit the world.
    I've basically gotten to the point where, as smart and "wise" as I am, I'm full-on aware that I'm an foolish idiot.
    Add to that the reality that libido basically pumps drugs into one's brain, and you've got a messed up child who's an idiot and a fool, and as good as on drugs (as all horny teenagers are) preaching his view of truth and wisdom to the world. Useful.
    Well, that's the whole story of gaydom in my view. It's lunacy to look at it any way but a bunch of foolish idiots with chemically compromised brains preaching garbage that's worth less than nothing.
    That is the why of commandments. That is they why of the Lord's boundaries. This stupid foolish compromised kid has no idea what he's talking about, and yet is locking himself into an eternal course. And on top of that he's preaching to others what his idea of "truth" on the matter is.
    Sadly, this is common.
    I, of course, think I understand things. But I'm "wise" enough to know I really don't. I have beliefs that are pretty firm. But debating from those beliefs isn't useful because, as I just said, I'm a foolish idiot.
    But.... The Lord has given us standards. The Lord has given us boundaries. Within the Lord's standards and boundaries we can find happiness. Outside the Lord's standards and boundaries we never will. It's as simple as that.
    Homosexuality, despite any view of the science or psychiatry of it, is not within the Lord's standards and boundaries. It never has been. It never will be. It, in any form, will never lead to peace and happiness.
    Whether or not it's a choice isn't relevant to that. We all have natures that are outside the Lord's standards and boundaries. Everyone of us must put aside those things and traverse within the Lord's standards and boundaries in order to find happiness and peace.
    Any view other than that is...well...foolish and stupid.
    The path is narrow and few shall find it.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to EH12NG in Jordon Peterson   
    I can manage him in small bites. Personally, I think bringing Jung back into public discussion was needed but his religious stuff is flim flam at best and artful dodging at worse. 

    Although I do agree keeping a tidy bedroom is a solid foundation. 
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from mikbone in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    The older I get the more I become convinced that one of the greatest evils in the world is thinking.
    This child thinks he's wise, and has decided that his "wisdom" will benefit the world.
    I've basically gotten to the point where, as smart and "wise" as I am, I'm full-on aware that I'm an foolish idiot.
    Add to that the reality that libido basically pumps drugs into one's brain, and you've got a messed up child who's an idiot and a fool, and as good as on drugs (as all horny teenagers are) preaching his view of truth and wisdom to the world. Useful.
    Well, that's the whole story of gaydom in my view. It's lunacy to look at it any way but a bunch of foolish idiots with chemically compromised brains preaching garbage that's worth less than nothing.
    That is the why of commandments. That is they why of the Lord's boundaries. This stupid foolish compromised kid has no idea what he's talking about, and yet is locking himself into an eternal course. And on top of that he's preaching to others what his idea of "truth" on the matter is.
    Sadly, this is common.
    I, of course, think I understand things. But I'm "wise" enough to know I really don't. I have beliefs that are pretty firm. But debating from those beliefs isn't useful because, as I just said, I'm a foolish idiot.
    But.... The Lord has given us standards. The Lord has given us boundaries. Within the Lord's standards and boundaries we can find happiness. Outside the Lord's standards and boundaries we never will. It's as simple as that.
    Homosexuality, despite any view of the science or psychiatry of it, is not within the Lord's standards and boundaries. It never has been. It never will be. It, in any form, will never lead to peace and happiness.
    Whether or not it's a choice isn't relevant to that. We all have natures that are outside the Lord's standards and boundaries. Everyone of us must put aside those things and traverse within the Lord's standards and boundaries in order to find happiness and peace.
    Any view other than that is...well...foolish and stupid.
    The path is narrow and few shall find it.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Carborendum in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    The older I get the more I become convinced that one of the greatest evils in the world is thinking.
    This child thinks he's wise, and has decided that his "wisdom" will benefit the world.
    I've basically gotten to the point where, as smart and "wise" as I am, I'm full-on aware that I'm an foolish idiot.
    Add to that the reality that libido basically pumps drugs into one's brain, and you've got a messed up child who's an idiot and a fool, and as good as on drugs (as all horny teenagers are) preaching his view of truth and wisdom to the world. Useful.
    Well, that's the whole story of gaydom in my view. It's lunacy to look at it any way but a bunch of foolish idiots with chemically compromised brains preaching garbage that's worth less than nothing.
    That is the why of commandments. That is they why of the Lord's boundaries. This stupid foolish compromised kid has no idea what he's talking about, and yet is locking himself into an eternal course. And on top of that he's preaching to others what his idea of "truth" on the matter is.
    Sadly, this is common.
    I, of course, think I understand things. But I'm "wise" enough to know I really don't. I have beliefs that are pretty firm. But debating from those beliefs isn't useful because, as I just said, I'm a foolish idiot.
    But.... The Lord has given us standards. The Lord has given us boundaries. Within the Lord's standards and boundaries we can find happiness. Outside the Lord's standards and boundaries we never will. It's as simple as that.
    Homosexuality, despite any view of the science or psychiatry of it, is not within the Lord's standards and boundaries. It never has been. It never will be. It, in any form, will never lead to peace and happiness.
    Whether or not it's a choice isn't relevant to that. We all have natures that are outside the Lord's standards and boundaries. Everyone of us must put aside those things and traverse within the Lord's standards and boundaries in order to find happiness and peace.
    Any view other than that is...well...foolish and stupid.
    The path is narrow and few shall find it.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    The older I get the more I become convinced that one of the greatest evils in the world is thinking.
    This child thinks he's wise, and has decided that his "wisdom" will benefit the world.
    I've basically gotten to the point where, as smart and "wise" as I am, I'm full-on aware that I'm an foolish idiot.
    Add to that the reality that libido basically pumps drugs into one's brain, and you've got a messed up child who's an idiot and a fool, and as good as on drugs (as all horny teenagers are) preaching his view of truth and wisdom to the world. Useful.
    Well, that's the whole story of gaydom in my view. It's lunacy to look at it any way but a bunch of foolish idiots with chemically compromised brains preaching garbage that's worth less than nothing.
    That is the why of commandments. That is they why of the Lord's boundaries. This stupid foolish compromised kid has no idea what he's talking about, and yet is locking himself into an eternal course. And on top of that he's preaching to others what his idea of "truth" on the matter is.
    Sadly, this is common.
    I, of course, think I understand things. But I'm "wise" enough to know I really don't. I have beliefs that are pretty firm. But debating from those beliefs isn't useful because, as I just said, I'm a foolish idiot.
    But.... The Lord has given us standards. The Lord has given us boundaries. Within the Lord's standards and boundaries we can find happiness. Outside the Lord's standards and boundaries we never will. It's as simple as that.
    Homosexuality, despite any view of the science or psychiatry of it, is not within the Lord's standards and boundaries. It never has been. It never will be. It, in any form, will never lead to peace and happiness.
    Whether or not it's a choice isn't relevant to that. We all have natures that are outside the Lord's standards and boundaries. Everyone of us must put aside those things and traverse within the Lord's standards and boundaries in order to find happiness and peace.
    Any view other than that is...well...foolish and stupid.
    The path is narrow and few shall find it.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from zil2 in LDS Opinion on Appropriate Missionary Behavior   
    The older I get the more I become convinced that one of the greatest evils in the world is thinking.
    This child thinks he's wise, and has decided that his "wisdom" will benefit the world.
    I've basically gotten to the point where, as smart and "wise" as I am, I'm full-on aware that I'm an foolish idiot.
    Add to that the reality that libido basically pumps drugs into one's brain, and you've got a messed up child who's an idiot and a fool, and as good as on drugs (as all horny teenagers are) preaching his view of truth and wisdom to the world. Useful.
    Well, that's the whole story of gaydom in my view. It's lunacy to look at it any way but a bunch of foolish idiots with chemically compromised brains preaching garbage that's worth less than nothing.
    That is the why of commandments. That is they why of the Lord's boundaries. This stupid foolish compromised kid has no idea what he's talking about, and yet is locking himself into an eternal course. And on top of that he's preaching to others what his idea of "truth" on the matter is.
    Sadly, this is common.
    I, of course, think I understand things. But I'm "wise" enough to know I really don't. I have beliefs that are pretty firm. But debating from those beliefs isn't useful because, as I just said, I'm a foolish idiot.
    But.... The Lord has given us standards. The Lord has given us boundaries. Within the Lord's standards and boundaries we can find happiness. Outside the Lord's standards and boundaries we never will. It's as simple as that.
    Homosexuality, despite any view of the science or psychiatry of it, is not within the Lord's standards and boundaries. It never has been. It never will be. It, in any form, will never lead to peace and happiness.
    Whether or not it's a choice isn't relevant to that. We all have natures that are outside the Lord's standards and boundaries. Everyone of us must put aside those things and traverse within the Lord's standards and boundaries in order to find happiness and peace.
    Any view other than that is...well...foolish and stupid.
    The path is narrow and few shall find it.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to laronius in Newest Apostle   
    Here are the relevant facts as I see it:
    1. God, who is omniscient, loves his children and does those things He knows will best further His work in saving them.
    The end.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to prisonchaplain in Angel Studios: The Shift   
    Big picture thought: Do we lament lost Hollywood, circle the wagons, and spend our time watching B-grade religious movies. OR do we engage the culture by producing and consuming the high-quality stuff? Of course, the actual answer is some of both. The first impulse is most common among Fundamentalists while Evangelicals favor the latter approach. Yet, even in those camps you'll find a mix. There is a lot of dross in Hollywood. Sadly, a good amount of Christian production is of poor quality. Love those gems that are both well done and faith affirming.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from Vort in Angel Studios: The Shift   
    Curious. Why is that?
    I mean, I know he's a bit weird. But relative to Holyweird, he's actually a lesser weird.
    Or do you just not like him as an actor?
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from mordorbund in Angel Studios: The Shift   
    No no. I'm working on a musicalized version of Brokeback Mountain.
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    The Folk Prophet got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Angel Studios: The Shift   
    No no. I'm working on a musicalized version of Brokeback Mountain.
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    The Folk Prophet reacted to LDSGator in Angel Studios: The Shift   
    I spit out my orange juice!!!  🤣