ElectofGod

There are some things we can desire all we want in this life and never get. This life is but a small moment. Jacob "wept many nights in his pillow" because of this world. Its an awful world. But "all these things will give thee experience", there are some who will not ge tmarried no matter how hard they try even if they have the righteous desires. I don't want to sound pessismistic but this life is not about our personal pleasures, god cares more about our salvation than our comfort. Were not here for us, were here to learn to be like him. There are certain lessons each of us needed to learn before we came here. Loneliness, abandonment, more faith, tested that we will keep our faith.... There is a quote "god will not give you greater trials than you can have".. This is not saying we won't receive thee worst things of life, its saying, WHATEVER is given to us, WE can keep the FAITH during that obstacle. As the endowment says Eve, "it is better that we pass THROUGH sorrow that we may know the good from the evil". Is it a gospel of glad tiding, certainly not in this life... Its "a hope for a better world" as explained I think its in mormon. Its to teach us to point to Christ and NO ONE else. Pain, suffering, and all the other horrible things of life... as JS said "death tastes as sweet as honey". But he endured the things he did because he KNEW what was on the other side of the veil, he had seen it, he was willing to subject his own pride, will, and agency to the will of the Father. Pray to the father, he will upbraideth not. If you lack wisdom, ASK and you shall receive wisdom. Seek what the Lord is trying to teach you. What the answer to your question is. How can we be married? The same way we are here. People will not look upon "the appearance" beyond the grave but whats in the heart. We don't keep this telestial body. God is omnipotent, all knowing, he knows who is right for you even if part of life is not to meet them in this lifetime.

The book of mormon is nephi's endowment, and many other prophets endowments. We can learn of them and know what the path is just by reading the book of mormon. You can live a life and covenants even before getting your endowment in the temple. Just by learning and obeying the covenants in the book of mormon (also found in the bible but harder to put the bigger picture together). Here is an answer to Joseph smith about what happened to his brother Alvin who died before the truth was restored. D&C 137 The requirements are teh same for all. Ability to give all to god, sacrifice of all things.

There is no marriage, or anyone given in marriage after the final judgment. But prior to that point, millenium (1000 years) for example there are opportunities to receive that which we have not yet, if we are willing to receive them.

"wo unto him that saith zion prospereth" 2 nephi 28 What is the event? Quite a few, Zion is a new dispensation, so look for the opening of a new dispensation. But more personally, when have you become Zion? When we converse with the lord through the veil, or enter into his presence and receive him. These are they that are pure in heart (zion are the pure in heart). If you don't do this, it won't matter when zion comes. Two ways zion will be redeemed, before destruction like enoch, or after destruction like 3 nephi, one is compelled to be humble the other is not. Than those who were compelled in 3 nephi, those who survived were those who "were more righteous" among them. We have NOT established zion. Not even close. We rejected it, the saints did. Another event? A new star. When did the israelites get led out of bondage as mentioned through out isaiah that we will be led out of bondage and the story of the years of famine (7 years)? After the years of scarcity, as hinckley said, we are in the days of scarcity. Were more wicked (society) than sodom.

Why would you run away from spiritual gifts? These things are for those who are worthy of it, else than your right run away. :)

The problem with the stories here is that hte people lacked the knowledge to do this correctly. "my body was taken over" The problem is they don't know how to A) protect against evill B ) do it according to the way God wants us to C) Get persmission from heavenly father to do it... Discerning of spirits comes in here. One of the greatest gifts we should seek after. If done correctly there will be no fear in such a practice and can be used for the benefit of man. lack of knowledge generates fear.

We are intellgence (singular) Abraham saw the intelligences (plural) There are not multiple intelligences inside of us. My belief. I know some early leaders taught differently like the atomism theory by parley. I think its discussed in The seer not sure though. We are without beginning or end... So does that mean we always existed? And ever will? Than why has God progressed to be like god before us? Did god organize him first? Or did our agency restrict it? Thinking too much? Na! but yea, this stuff makes my head hurt sometimes but its fun. Finite? I doubt it. There is a theory that God organizes spirits through thoughts. Of both male and female. The two thoughts of the two makes an independent, for it only one through their thoughts organized an intelligence it would not be independent based off that one mindset. Yet with two there enters an Independence (opposition). Which allows it to be endowed with agency. If this is the case there is definitely not a finite amount of spirits.

Eliajah was teh forerunner Elias was the restorer Helaman 10:7: He had the power not keys. Having power does not equate to having keys and vice versa. But they can go hand in hand. Also elijah could not be the last one to have the fullness, keys probably but not the fullness of priesthood. For example Isaiah had the fullnes. You can tell when one has the MP. Anyone who in the scriptures communes with god and can speak with him. This is the fruits of they with the MP and where the power of godliness is manifest. Enoch had it like mentioned along with ALL those with him. Alma 13 explains how anyone can get that in the old testament. Also the book of hebrews. While the majority of the people under moses may have been cursed for rejecting the fullness of the gospel there were some who could receive it if they lived up to the requirements the same way Moses received his.

God will forgive you imediately. Christ told the adulter What was the requirement? Go and sin no more. You feel guilt which is different than being forgiven through the justice of christ. You desire not to do it, you are willing to do it no more, than mercy satisfies justice and you ARE forgiven. have your prayed to heavenly father saying you won't do it again? Now the guilt is seperate from this forgiveness which has to do with sanctification. This is achieved through Christ. Enos had a great experience here, along with zeezrom who was willing to give up all his sins which allowed him to have his guilt swept away. here is what enos said. Sometimes making wrongs right is the way to get guilt swept away. Othertimes its just yourself unable to forgive yourself that keeps this guilt when in reality heavenly father has already forgiven you! Accept his mercy, sometimes that is the hardest thing to do. Honestly, while your bishop can help, this is not something you need to talk to your bishop about. But if you are aching and need relief you can do that. Why not open up your feelings to heavenly father? He will show you how much he still loves you.

Yes, that defintion of depedent. I think james123 spoke my mind again. There is one restriction the lord gives when he says listen to his servants in D&C. That is as they walk in righteousness before me, but also as they are speaking by the power of the holy ghost. If it is by the holy ghost than it is His words, if not it is Mans words... So when you say, Well lets say this was the Lords will. I would not deliberately defy it? No. I would take the council seriously. I would pray on that message and ask heavenly father if this message was for me. If this is what I should do. If I got a confirmation this was true for myself, I would obey it. If I got a confirmation that it was not form the holy ghost OR it was meant for the ward but that I should continue doing whatever I have already felt prompted to do, than I would. I know many times council is inspired but the lord wants me to go another route. Sometimes the Lord wants me to obey that council. Sometimes Its not inspired and of man and no matter how "demanding" they are in that council I won't obey. I agree with your assessment and everything. Someone can always come up with a "perceived" problem with a way of doing things. I can for what others do and they can for what I do. I am so imperfect this may lead me to cast aside something for me doing it this way, but also allows one to as james123 said, to gain that power and avoid being restricted in other areas. " If we follow books we do not tap into the "vast, unseen reservors of dynamic power" we need in order to conduct the work of the Lord. Instead we are left to ourselves." This statement was wonderful. My feelings. It takes a lifetime to perfect this ability to find balance between folliwng guidance and following the spirit. Thus it is with the 10 virgins, the wise are they who have learned to listen to the spirit, receive his servants, and all truth... Again just read james123 thats exactly how I see it. I think the nephi story is a great illustration as sometimes the Lord wants us to be edified together and NOT receive answers directly through teh spirit to teach us and allow us to be edified together. Thats one key to know if you are guided or doing something correctly, were we "all edified together" so here nehpi taught lehi a very important principle. In return, lehi was able to have a major role in teach nephi where to get food and a lesson for the whole family and future generations. The lord will definitely ask us to do things that way too.

I think Doctrine just answered it along with James123... until all have come unto christ... Also that relates only to a prophet not president (presidency of the high priesthood). We still will need one who holds the keys of the kingdom. The role of the president is to hold the keys of the kingdom for the affairs of the church. The presidency of the church hold the keys of the kingdom, separate callings than just a prophet though they called to be both. I talk past people sometimes. My fault

Semantics. For the church, your right. For us, we can receive all the truth there is in the world. As joseph smith said, I have the four gospel books with me always. For he had the holy ghost. So do we. However, that may have been the thought of mosses people, they wanted him to receive it "as a church"... Interesting thought. "Israelites prayed that God would speak to Moses (JS)" cf. D&C 84 around verse 23-25??.

Excellent. Going along with this idea and Skal's. Teachings of Joseph Smith: Anything false traditions, things not of heaven, must removed and replaced with truth. We must speak to God. We don't look to the prophet to get things revealed. They point to Christ, else they are a false prophet.

I asked this question a few days ago. Not sure if I will post all my thoughts but two more thoughts to add. Still working my head around it. So glad for the discussion. So if god will reveal to us all things why need a prophet? Not to reveal individually. Zion will be like this... I think McConkie always says things very well...

Not much to go off of. We see the advantages here? I guess you could say being a child is, but I don't think it is however some do have greater gifts and abilities to gain and recognize light. Could call these talents.

Anyways, the atonement is my favorite subject so I am glad they are doing this.

This is a circular argument. Which means the answer is in the middle. The answer is what does the spirit want you to do. First the conclusion... A ) You teach from the ensign and only change it if the spirit directs B ) You teach by the spirit and teach from the ensign if the spirit tells you to Why did Jared go to the brother of Jared to petition the lord during the tower of babel (book of ether)? He asks the brother to cry unto the lord to not confound the languages when he could have himself. Than your example of the bow being broken . Later when he needs to make tools to build the ship he asks the Lord himself instead of going to his father. Than also in 1 kings 13 we have a prophet of the lord who is told by the Lord himself not to eat in the city. He begins to leave the city and another prophet comes and tells him to eat with him. The other prophet tells him he is a prophet sent by God and it is ok. So the first prophet eats and the Lord comdemns him and he is killed because God himself told him not to. The second prophet was sent for a test by the Lord and he failed it. So why go through a intermediary person? Simple answer, The lord wanted him to. But than other times the Lord tells you something specific to do. Brigham was known to get his Brother-in-law, Heber C. Kimball to pray, Brigham seemed to think Heber was more likely to get answers; for whatever reason. More faith? Does the Lord ever ask us to ask others for answers he is perfectly capable giving us himself? Yes. My answer, to be edified together. But again its not always the case, thus the circular argument... So how do we know? I would assume the spirit would impress upon us to ask another instead of the Lord. Likewise the other way around. Balance is key. So as you said we can use both. I even said I did occasionally. I just go about it the other way. Dependence can be just a much a problem as pride can.

Ah yes got to throw in that "who we sustain" as if I don't give a lesson from the ensign I don't sustain them. I could flip this around you know? Do you think they know more than God does and the spirit? But I will just answer, they do not know my families. It has nothing to do with knowing more than them. Do I teach from it? Of course but usually not. Besides they will either read the message themself or teach it to their own families. So I think they will be covered with getting the message. Unless their Less active but than my approach is entirely different. I may actually LEAVE them a copy of the ensign

Who knew following the spirit would get such reactions. Of course. The spirit will use whatever we have and make it work for the situation if we are willing to follow it and don't restrict it. Eowyn, And I said nothing about making it up. The spirit won't work with those who don't take time to study it out before hand. If you are going to do that stick with the ensign. Nor have I counseled the servants. I stated a truth. Following the spirit is the best way... If you are saying the leaders want us to use other methods over the spirit than perhaps there is a bigger issue here. If using the spirit is not the best way than well.... I wonder what is. I use the ensign to read and learn. I don't have to teach from it. Its helpful for many people. Its a great resource.

Easy fix. Don't use the ensign. Follow the spirit and it will give you the best message for each family. That is where truth comes from. Than I don't have to read the same message 5 times. No implementation would ever have to change :). People would just have to gain the faith required to do this. Which not all do so unfortunately.

Another freedom gone.

A random mainstream news site said 9% and huffingpost said 25%. Not reliable sources lol. But still. So I just read UK said no to the strike but obama is considering solo strike? Which he does not have power to do so. Guess we will see, hold on tight. British lawmakers reject military action in Syria, in setback for Obama administration | Fox News Obama Weighing Syria Strike Without Allies, Aide Says

Yes I don't know exactly either. Its interesting because war is actually what has kept (and caused) this countries problems besides just plain old greed. Now its the one thing that may keep us afloat. Who cares? I think it has to do with oil reserves and controlling the market. We rely on china for everything. Thats my guess. I have no clue though. As soon as other nations start leaving the dollar, other nations follow. China is trying already, stalking up over 2 tons of cotton. The GMO infestation of crops here causing other countries to magically stop buying our food, causing massive amounts of farmers to go bankrupt more so. Uh! Who do we owe money to? China, and other places. As soon as they go away from the dollar (already started to) it becomes useless. What happens when we have an already inflated dollar become useless to other countries because USA currency becomes the non standard? They won't accept it. Its useless. Than we owe china a huge debt. Which we pay or suffer consequences. Its already almost useless. An inflated meaningless dollar, poeople will lose everything in the banks almost. Are we paying attention? "rumors of wars in other lands" next "rumors of wars in our own lands"... Famines, water supply now less than 50% in most places, Russia is warning US. They are going to fight, than the rest of the nations have ot get pulled into it. WIII? Maybe. Eventually it will turn into civil unrest with massive starvation, joseph smith said so. But most likely, the collapse of the dollar causes millitia, collapse of society, and government control. Thats what everything has been about for the past 2 or 3 presidents maybe longer. Control, world order, greed, gain money money money. I have been reading about the Nazi's in world war II. Man were doing the same thing in our own land. How can we not see it? The mainstream propaganda is numbing us. I agree, its time to clean up our own mess. But the mainstream media continues to "convince" us it is a needed war. Seriously get food storage before its too late. Yet there seems to be a 6-25% acceptance. Lets watch it go up and up. Either that they will fake the polls and tell us it has gone up when the peoples minds are still at 6-25%. As you can tell I have become quite upset .. BUT when these come, Zion is upon us :) If we can get through the mess lol.

We bombed iran because they stopped using the dollar. Now they are using it again. Now syria has started to go to gold, now we are setting it up to do the same thing. Why? Because we will have global collapse (USA mainly) if the dollar becomes worthless. This is the end times, it will happen, they can only delay it so long. This QE they are doing, pumping millions into the "fake" economy is pointless but delays the financial collapse. Why do you think the government is buying billions worth of ammo and food now? Zion just may be in our generation. The Lord is giving us an opportunity what many in the past has waited for their whole lives.

Ponder this.