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I now can understand your dilemma. The definition of mental illness has become very broad. Maybe there wouldn't be so much misunderstanding if they put these things into more categories. I have been going over it and going over it my head. It is good for me to know and think about because it would be so easy to hurt someone's feelings because I didn't know how broad it is. I'm confused because I think if I had gone to counseling or a psychologist at certain points in my life I would have been labeled as having a mental illness. And I don't mean that sarcastically or anything.

Now are you talking about mental illness being changed from learned behavior? Example: Parents came from home where physically abused. Therefore grow up emotionally damaged, marry, have children and kids learn unhealthy mental ways to cope with life from parents? Or do you mean a change from mental illness like schizophrenia to normal mental health?

Maybe we could discuss what our different definitions of mental illness are.

I can't say I was ready to take out my covenants. I was ready to do it with the knowledge and desireI had at the time. I loved it and was personally changed. There was a definite difference. Not on the outside. The promises are real. From taking out my endowments to my sealing, it was the most powerful day if my life. Not because I could see it all at the time. But because I grow and see and experience it more. Even if someone can't see it ot feel it, it is there. I couldn't imagine starting my marriage without it. So many times I have felt a protection over our marriage because of the blessings. Would we have made it after I found out I wasn't so good at marriage? No. Knowing I made temple covenants to my Heavenly Father that I would do it kept me in. My husband is a convert and he didn't want a ring ceremony or anything after. To him, what the sealing was more important than anything else. His family waited in the waiting room.

I think the problem is everybody defines mental illness differently according to their knowledge and experiences. Also the atonement is one of those things each of us has a different view of also.

I thought he was talking about grace.

The problem is there are people with real mental problems. Now, if you are talking about people who are healthy but some thought practice, upbringing or poor choices and such are causing a problem then the atonement can work. The problem is His ways are not our ways. We try to fix our own problems according to the way we our natural unhealthy self would do it or the way others would have us do it. It is a hard concept that there are some problems only Heavenly Father can fix. And then when He does try to fix us we don't like it. We don't realize that the pain is part of the process. It hurts. It really hurts and most of the time we don't know why we are going through it. It isn't until afterwards that we can see why we went through it. Just like everything else we have to go experience it to start understanding it. Big atonement fan, too!

I'm still wondering. Are they calling people mentally ill if they become severely depressed because something bad happened to them? For instance : A spouse passing away. It sounded like that according to Elder Holland's talk, but I can't get my head around it. My thinking has been that mental illness is something wrong with brain chemistry or.. sorry, I'm trying to find the right words so I'm sorry if I come across wrong.. like someone who is bi-polar or someone hearing voices hearing voices. Something out of their control. I thought someone who doesn't have mental illness and then has something bad happen is going through a trial.

So, would they be able to take out their endowments before the year is over? Or would they have to wait for the year mark?

Lack of morals have also changed weddings. Once a person has been doing things before marriage, a lot of times the pomp and ceremony or the expensive honeymoon are the only things that make it special.

I personally am going by Pres. Hinckley's 2001 talk "The Times in Which We Live". He said, "I cannot forget the great lesson of Pharaoh’s dream of the fat and lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn." Is it a coincidence that seven years later almost to the day the economy took a nose dive? Wondering what is going to happen in 2015. Is the economy going to get better? Or is that when things are going to get really ugly? Don't know. All I know is I wasn't surprised when they changed missionary age to 18.

I know a lot of other churches have programs where they send people to volunteer in other countries. Maybe they would have some good ideas. Or maybe you could join one of their volunteer groups.

The Old Testament was disturbing to me. It seemed so opposite of what we have been taught. The Israelites were told to destroy all the non-Israelites off of the land including women and children. The answer that I got was He knew His children were in spiritual danger because of the inhabitants idol worship. He knew they would become unfaithful and He would have to let go of His protection over them. Nobody would like to see their childen destroyed. I think of the Book of Mormon like that. It is a warning to us that faithfulness brings protection. Both are a testimony of what is to come. Also, there has never been a time where there has been so much peace. Most people in 1st world countries don't even know how to kill or clean a chicken. So the violent descriptions can be more disturbing to us because it isn't part if our culture. Now, in the Middle East that is their culture. There wasn't modern psychology. Psychology and our modern life of ease has changed our culture dramatically. If there had been counselling in the times of the Patriarchs, boy would those stories be different. People living in the scripture times were not evaluating their decisions by wondering how it was going to affect the other psychologically. It was much more primal. The Book of Mormon shows us that the Lord's way is peace and satan's is war.

Is situational MDD being lumped in as "mental illness"?

Loved it (not) when I confided to husband about problems in adversary category. He looked at me and said looking shocked, "You need to stop thinking about it. That makes it worse." Not what I needed. I'm sorry but I didn't know I was in line for this when I had kids. And no, I have NEVER had post partum depression.

She did the work. Hurray for her! One thing, though, is she could be a bad example to pregnant women. If a person doesn't have the correct genetic makeup, excercise can cause babies to come too early. Not everyone should do it. Some people (like me) have to be careful. Genetics can play a factor in stretch marks. My sisters and I don't get stretch marks. That can't be a coincidence.

I can't believe how cruel people are! She delivered a life. She looks excited about it and they are talking about a post baby bump?! Good grief. How miraculous is it to be able to have a baby inside you? And to be so mean after. This is why I never want to be famous.

You gave me an idea. Have “I never said it would be easy, I only said it would be worth it." engraved on his ring. And on mine "Eternity is a long time. And I'll be perfect." (just to remind him when he looks at my ring)

So true. Watched my sister's marriage. He had a porn problem and never told siser before married. Did that end up bad! After 1 month the honeymoon was over and my sister a needy mess. He couldn't connect with her. He would stay out late over at his friends. Most days after his school (he wasn't full time and failed most of his classes), work, being on computer, and being with his friend they would only be together 3 hrs...and most of the time she was asleep during that time because it was past bedtime. Never confessed even though it was found on computer. It lasted three years. Was so scared when dating my husband. She was so emotionally hungry and empty.

Hi and welcome! I have been a member my whole life. My husband is a convert. He converted before I ever met him.

It is nice having to non-active children before my third. I definitely knew it was his personality because I hadn't had problems before. I never had any of my other children have to leave sacrament every Sunday before. It started when he was 6 months old. He is the child I knew was ready to get going even before he was conceived. Funny thing, though, is I have seen more spiritual gifts with him than any of the others. Read one of my previous posts. It is my oldest who has the ADHD-inattentive. Not my third. Sorry about that. He behaves. He is really easily distracted and we have to stay on top of him. My third is the active one. My second child is easy. He was the one who when he was 11 months old got hold of a book with normal pages, looked at it, turned a couple of pages and then put it down. He is the one who this past Sat. we told to clean the closet in their room. He finished the job (no nagging). We look in the closet. Neat as a pin. He matched all the shoes and put them in rows! I would have just been happy just with a clean closet. That is my 2nd child. He sees things, sees how they are to be done, and does it. it is nice. But like with many non-problem children he gets the least attention.

I am sorry if it came across that parents who do this are doing something wrong or aren't teaching their children the gospel. That isn't what I meant (thanks for helping me clarify). in fact I thought after I should put a disclaimer that I don't care if anybody does the elf/leprechaun thing. Enjoy it! The wicked traditions (please know I do not in any shape or form think elf/leprechauns are one of them.It would be absurd to even think they are) of many in the USA are spiritually damaging and spreading. They are spreading because they are passing from their parents to their children and then on to their children's children. Then there is the gospel. The gospel is a tradition.. Not in the sense that you believe just because that is what you were taught and that is why you believe. It is a tradition of thoughts and feelings brought about by Christ. Family Home Evening, prayer, scripture study, personal study and such are traditions built upon Christ. A means for our children to feel the expressions of heaven a little closer that day. A tradition to pass along the feelings of Christ and our Heavenly Father. A tradition to join in in the fight against unrighteousness. These traditions are more likely to be passed along to future generations if practiced at home.(I know I'm preaching to the choir) I guess I don't have anything against the elf/leprachaun as much as I do have a problem with the trend our country is in of decreasing Christian tradition as a country. I wish more homes in our country would build their homes on the foundations of Christ. More homes would read their scriptures. More homes would pray. So adding one more tradition when the countries most important tradition isn't getting fixed and in fact is getting more and more dismissed and distorted is... well... It is hard for me to get excited about it. Forgive me. I will not post on this topic again.

I agree with most of the article. We woman have to somehow cram as many things into our lives as possible. Can't have a not have something to do moment. Got a minute? Think of something else to do to make your life hard. I have a thing about Saint Patrick's Day and the leprechaun also. We have rampant immorality, people stopping believing in G*d, nobody even reading or learning about the commandments, but we have time to add an elf and a leprechaun. LDS wise: Most moms of young children I know have a hard time fitting in Family Home Evening, scripture study, or anything spirit filled. But they have time for a make-believe elf and leprechaun who they are telling their kids are real. Our Savior is real. Heavenly Father is real. Why don't they talk and testify more about Him? Where are our priorities?

Did you put child in gymnastic classes or just at your house? Intense it correct. Mine was more from him getting into things... everything that he could reach. Our upstairs is 1300 sq. ft. and there was a childproof door handle thingy on EVERY door. Never had that with my other 2 kids. Crazy.

I am thinking I'm acting and thinking, according to my knowledge, like a recovered addict. "I'm better. Things are fine. Now accept me! Forget about the past. It is behind." However, the other person can't forget. They have to be given the time to see if they can trust the addict. I showed my unhealthy spirit of fear person before this ever happened. He has seen my mom with it. How do I build his trust back? What would a recovered addict do in my case? Would it help if I told him right away about personal revelation that would impact family life or my life no matter how small? And then if I do and he doesn't accept it, do I back away from it and not push it? How do I help him know I have truly changed? Is this going to take years? Probably. Thanks for all your responses and help. It is like therapy to my soul. Talking it out is really helping!