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I have no idea....all that's been said is it has been raised...I figured I would roll with a common sin that is pretty bad and apparently it is still ok to fornicate...just repent and you are good. That was a requirement then too, but you could "resolve" it in a few weeks.  Im thinking nothing has really changed other than a timeline.

They still send kids who did whatever prior to mission
They still send kids who openly don't want to go, but with a cattle prod go anyway so what has changed?
As for the balance who are excited to go and there are many...well they go and do their thing

so were you the one who stole everyone's virginity or they guy who was a party animal?

U need to go read up on this. Provo never gave the report to BYU. BYU pd looked it up. They are being investigated for this along with thousands of other questionable inquiries into the database. The volume of inquiries by BYU plummeted once they found out they were being investigated. Tells ya something right there.

No kidding...I don't care how the church runs their school as it is theirs. At the point they decide to use a governmental organization (byu  pd) to enforce moral issues which are not violations of the law and do not happen on their campus, then there actually is a public interest at that point in how a police department which has been ruled a government organization is wielding its state powers. Tithing funded or not....they opened themselves up to this. If they don't want the scrutiny, disband the police department and go back to security guards who have no powers. Then they can call Provo pd anytime the find a kid with a beer or not having shaved. Provo pd then can decide what they will help out with.
 

Yep. 
 
Judge Roy Bean
You'll get a fair trial followed by a first class hanging

Yea you wanted him to "sustain" the Bishop. I get it- even if it was a made up rule or standard.
 

The bowtie police is an example of how in various ward we have made up rules or whatever you want to call it. I get it that you intended to teach your kid that church leaders are never to be questioned. I get that. That in combination with made up rules is what makes letter of the law issues relevant. Too often leadership within and without the church decide to make up their own rules knowing that since they are the boss this is the way it is....no one questions me. Later, the kids grow up to do the same thing. Thus policies are set forth so that leadership can make calls wish are consistent with church policy. When there is inconsistency in seemingly standard rules (and dress code should be standardized) then it tends to lead to confusion down the road.

Could be...problem is it is believable. Since it is believable, what does that say about our culture...good, bad or whatever?  We even had an example presented by an exalted member of this forum of a bishop who is the bowtie police and no one doubts her.

We will see how this new program works out. As for the old one, well quotas, stats, numbers, "the other ward is better than  us" etc just doesnt work. It is no different than a workplace quota. Once you start mandating a level of production and then punish, reassign chastise or whatever for failure to meet that stat; people get turned off. Esp when they start telling you just a phone call, a hallway chat or just dropping off a treat suffice. That just let's us know the actual visit isn't really all that important. People just start doing whatever it takes to get the stat because all that  is important is that we get the boxes checked so the eq and bp presidents dont get chewed out.
I had not had a ht  visit for almost three yrs. Didn't even know who they were and frankly didn't care. Was asked one time how I liked my HTs  and I replied I didn't know who they were.  Found out they had not missed a visit in a couple years..the ones prior who I didn't know either apparently visited us about 75% of time. Lol. I'm sure there are more like that.
Will see what the new one is all about.

I have no idea if this guy is guilty or not. Interesting article reference confrontational phone calls by the police. Although the accuser is not a cop, her confrontation of the accused was pulled off in a manner like she has read up on this technique. Not perfect, but she did a good job. The agency I worked for routinely uses these calls to lock suspects into statements, get confessions etc. They do not always work, but they often do and people go to prison.

Enjoy:
https://www.denver-colorado-criminal-lawyer.com/colorado-state-sex-crimes/attacking-the-investigation-of-date-acquaintance-sexual-assault-the-pretext-phone-call-part-ii-of-ii
 

I have no idea if this guy is guilty or not. Interesting article reference confrontational phone calls by the police. Although the accuser is not a cop, her confrontation of the accused was pulled off in a manner like she has read up on this technique. Not perfect, but she did a good job. The agency I worked for routinely uses these calls to lock suspects into statements, get confessions etc. They do not always work, but they often do and people go to prison.

Enjoy:
https://www.denver-colorado-criminal-lawyer.com/colorado-state-sex-crimes/attacking-the-investigation-of-date-acquaintance-sexual-assault-the-pretext-phone-call-part-ii-of-ii
 

Longer sacrament because 1 hr and 15 min of screaming crying kids isn't enough. My current ward.....oh so loud I don't even bother to pay attention any  more. Can't hear. 

We have Hispanic branches here where the leadership is partly white....branches that have been here for half a century or at least seems that way. Strange. 
 
As for your commentary on young vs old elders and rank envy of sorts. I'm an old elder and I don't care. I don't thi k anyone cares except a few and their wives who view church positions as status. They can have that, I'll spend more time with my family thank you very much.

Well for those who had their doubts, this certainly makes women equal to men in the church. None of us are trusted now lol...

Well for those who had their doubts, this certainly makes women equal to men in the church. None of us are trusted now lol...

Well for those who had their doubts, this certainly makes women equal to men in the church. None of us are trusted now lol...

Well for those who had their doubts, this certainly makes women equal to men in the church. None of us are trusted now lol...

Well now I'm outta Mormonhub jail...that said, I have had time to reflect on communications and discovered something irrelevant. I can thank Vort for calling me worse than Hitler in order for something to be learned. Not by you guys...by me.
 
 
A few days ago on another thread I was called “worse than Hitler” by a forum member. My visceral hate for Hitler caused me to respond with some profanity and I got sent to jail.
Well MormonHub jail was a good thing, because I learned something this past week which has liberated me.
So this week I was going through some stuff and found my patriarchal blessing which I probably have not read in decades and never really put much stock in it. For the most part it is very non-specific and relatively free of anything one can point to and know what they are supposed to do with the info.  I read it and mind you this was given to me before I even went into the military… one line stuck out.
“you will rise to positions of responsibility and bring great credit to your name and your country.”
There was no mention in the entire blessing of a mission…not one reference. While the statement cited above does not say I was supposed to be in the Army, it totally validates the service. Anyone who has been in the Army or has read an award citation written by an Army Officer will nearly always see the two words, “great credit.” It is an Army thing. My patriarch would not know that phrase because he had no more to do with the military than to watch old war movies or whatever. That phrase is there for a reason.
Anyway- so this week has been good. My response to being compared to Hitler (jokingly I guess) and the timeout I got for it was a very worthwhile investment.  
 

Didn’t even know a this was a thing. I’m honored and I’ll use my little hat pin ☠️
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

One thing to keep in mind is the further you get from Utah, Arizona or Idaho, the less people stress over this stuff. as you can see, on this forum we cant even agree on what the church manuals tell us. Arguments are won here by whoever shouts out you are disobedient first. Kinda like calling someone  a racist in a political argument they are not winning.
The manual says it is not a pre-condition to participating in sacrament preparation or admin. That said, whoever mentioned (Bishop discretion) is correct. The bishop can add to the standard for a variety of reasons. In places like Utah or other extremely Mormon populated areas...they are very strict about it. Even though it is not a rule, it is the culture. Growing up, I never even owned any color of dress shirt other than white. My parents would have left me at home rather than darken the door of the chapel in anything but a white shirt. My father didn't even own any color of dress shirt other than white. Probably because he was transiting so much between work and church stuff it was easier.
Anyway- the comment about you not hearing about it because you are new is fairly correct. Also, you are on the east coast. There are like two Mormons there so no one wants to get anyone mad and not come back. Where I'm at entire wards can be as small a boundary as 1 square mile. If you don't show up, no one notices. 
I usually wear white shirts. For a few years I wore dress shirts from an old job I had. Didn't want them to go to waste in my closet because they were not needed anymore. I did have one person say something to me about it and I told them to go buy me a white one and I would wear it if they cared so much. They never did.
Wear whatever color dress shirt you like- the book says white isn't mandatory. Temple is probably the only exception.

Didn’t even know a this was a thing. I’m honored and I’ll use my little hat pin ☠️
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Didn’t even know a this was a thing. I’m honored and I’ll use my little hat pin ☠️
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

One thing to keep in mind is the further you get from Utah, Arizona or Idaho, the less people stress over this stuff. as you can see, on this forum we cant even agree on what the church manuals tell us. Arguments are won here by whoever shouts out you are disobedient first. Kinda like calling someone  a racist in a political argument they are not winning.
The manual says it is not a pre-condition to participating in sacrament preparation or admin. That said, whoever mentioned (Bishop discretion) is correct. The bishop can add to the standard for a variety of reasons. In places like Utah or other extremely Mormon populated areas...they are very strict about it. Even though it is not a rule, it is the culture. Growing up, I never even owned any color of dress shirt other than white. My parents would have left me at home rather than darken the door of the chapel in anything but a white shirt. My father didn't even own any color of dress shirt other than white. Probably because he was transiting so much between work and church stuff it was easier.
Anyway- the comment about you not hearing about it because you are new is fairly correct. Also, you are on the east coast. There are like two Mormons there so no one wants to get anyone mad and not come back. Where I'm at entire wards can be as small a boundary as 1 square mile. If you don't show up, no one notices. 
I usually wear white shirts. For a few years I wore dress shirts from an old job I had. Didn't want them to go to waste in my closet because they were not needed anymore. I did have one person say something to me about it and I told them to go buy me a white one and I would wear it if they cared so much. They never did.
Wear whatever color dress shirt you like- the book says white isn't mandatory. Temple is probably the only exception.

Kinda like these guys: