Arcobaleno Nero

Dear Snow, I am not this Doug. And how did I insult you with a joke? I am sorry if I did so. I am taking discussions of the LDS church and I live in Ancona Italy. This doug seems like he is confused and thank you for allowing me to know all that you posted. Interesting.

I think this is closer to how I feel as well.Chieda ed il ye recieve. I colpi ed esso saranno aperti a voi. Se c'è ne di voi difettano della saggezza...

Ray, read above.

Why do you think He was exalted in "THIS" world? I mean He is going to make this world perfect for eternity...wouldnt the world He "came from" have been made eternally perfect also?And in reguards to the rest of what you said, I can only think to quote..."opposition in ALL things..."

I thought that the "debate" on wether or not the third that fell could repent was the TOPIC of this thread? After all the name of this thread is "The Third That Went Astray".And my point about rejecting the plan of salvation was in context with the thrid that fell and IF they could repent. That IF they could so could we when ever we feel like it. Are we on the same page now?

I know, he took Saddam out of power. That jerk! What is this a French LDS board?

Duck would you please explain what a "neocon" is. Thank you.

My thoughts... IF the 1/3 that fell with Satan and "kept not their fist estate" can repent and eventually make it to the Celestial Kingdom then it stands to reason that those of us here (the 2/3's that kept their first estate) can REJECT the plan of salvation and go to where ever {lesser degrees of glory or "outer darkness"} and at a later date repent and go to Heaven at our own convenience. Thus making the whole "plan" one eternal joke, and the scriptures nothing more than a book of good ieas. I do not believe it is anywhere near possible for those who kept not their fist estate to ever recieve any degree of glory. And before I knew LDS doctrine I would say they would never go to Heaven.

Starsky, I have touched a dead body. What is your point about clay? There is nothing in the human body that is like clay or made of clay or that turns into clay. And if you are going off of the fact that all matter is made from the same original elements then you might as well say the sun is clay and water is clay. Is that what you were getting at?

Your wife is moving?...as in away from you?

Never heard of the man.

My friends, I have not come here to "learn LDS doctrine". I know where I can find all that. I have come here to join in the discussions and debates. I am not a wash cloth that can be tossed around. I have my beliefs and my opinions and they are quite firm. Thank you for your replys! I am glad that so many of you gave me a welcome.

Hello. I saw a T-shirt in the mall that helps me to believe that God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are three seperate beings physically. The shirt said "I'm a Schizophrenic. And so am I." I don't have the scriptures off hand but why would God refere to Himself as His own son? And When Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan, why would He tell "himself" that He is his beloved son in whom He is well pleased, and then do a fly-by at His own baptisim as a dove over Himself? Also, in the book of Genesis it says "Let us" create.... The LDS doctrine just makes better sence to me so far. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- If this is how the posts here are all the time I am going to have much fun with this.

Hello all. I am investigating the LDS church. I don't know how really this message board works but I think it may be fun at least to try. To everyone salute'!